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Democracy Muffled
Like a blazing torch lighting up a dark, untrodden path, the shining jewel of Democracy illuminated the founding of the United States of America with ideas of equality and freedom that marked a giant step forward in the evolution of human consciousness. In the New World, no king would rule by Divine Right and supercede the laws of men, no aristocratic class would rule by accident of birth. Instead, we were given the promise inherent in these immortal words from the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.. The ideas of freedom and equality that pervaded the country's founding were given further definition in the subsequently written Constitution and its many amendments, added over the course of years as the meaning of democratic principles evolved further. The Constitution itself represents the foundation upon which the rule of law is built. Most significant is the First Amendment, which resolutely and without exception provides for freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom to assemble, and freedom to petition the government for redress of grievances. Interestingly, not only are these freedoms guaranteed to all individuals, but their very existence creates the free flow of ideas and the interchange of opinion that stimulate the development of healthy and fruitful policy, as well as the unmasking of abuses of power, when necessary. At present, through a series of extraordinary trespasses on the vulnerable fabric of democracy, the Bush administration is deeply mired in a failing war in Iraq, now further complicated by a humiliating prison abuse scandal that threatens to shred American's reputation throughout the world. Under the current White House regime, the flourishing garden of American democracy has been struggling under drought conditions. Freedom of speech has been shriveled by the administration's intolerance of any criticism or even any opinions at variance with its own. There are numerous stories of character assassination directed at those who spoke out and exposed administration mistakes or weaknesses and examples of threatened job loss for those who wished to. As a consequence of this, because truth was bludgeoned and then buried under an avalanche of pre-existing ideology and an inability to hear opposing views, Colin Powell, General Shinseki, and the allies at the UN were all marginalized and dismissed. We ended up in a war that should never have been fought, a war based on lies and now mired in corruption. In a healthy democracy, the free interchange of ideas can be the cornerstone of a sound, flexible policy, whereas a tightly circumscribed debate, suffocated by a rigid worldview, often leads to a bitter failure. Another basic tenet of American democracy is that the rule of law supercedes the will of individual men, no matter how elevated their position in government. Since George Bush's inauguration, however, his administration has demonstrated a thinly veiled contempt for any treaty or law that in any way thwarts the administration's will to do as it pleases. Nuclear treaties have been cancelled, an environmental treaty rejected (Kyoto), and the Geneva accords largely ignored. Environmental regulations have been trashed by executive order and Congressional funding specified for Afghanistan has been secretly transferred to prewar, unlegislated planning for Iraq. It is easy to see the trickle down effect of such thuggery in the recent prison abuse scandal, where nothing so trivial as regulations, treaties, or laws hindered the stated goals of extracting information. When the rule of law is supplanted by the will of the powerful, the heartbeat of democracy goes on life support. Another tragic casualty of the Bush administration is Truth. Though truth is not specified in our founding documents, it underlies all honorable human interactions, and its absence, ultimately, creates profound and unrelenting chaos. Although politicians are famous for their manipulation of facts and figures to suit their agendas, the Bush administration has taken dishonesty to such new heights of proficiency that virtually nothing its members say can be taken at face value. There are soldiers in Iraq who still believe they are fighting the perpetrators of 9/11, a deception repeatedly promulgated by the White House. There are those who hear of the administration's Clear Skies initiative and think it suggests an actual environmental policy rather than an enrichment scheme for corporations. Virtually nothing is as it seems in Bushland. Unfortunately, the consequences of such deceit are very grave. Even before the prison scandal, the nation's international credibility was at an all-time low due to its flagrantly dishonest presentation of its case for war against Saddam Hussein. Like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, the Bush White House is neither listened to nor trusted in many areas around the world. Interestingly, neoconservative doctrine, the foundation of the Bush administration's foreign policy, also carries within it a basic disconnect with both the fundamentals of democracy, as well as with the basic goals of the War on Terror, despite its flowery rhetoric to the contrary. Essentially, the neoconsevative drive for "benevolent" global empire, including a huge military and strategic American presence in the Middle East, is diametrically opposed to the War on Terror's quintessential need to dissipate Arab antipathy towards the United States and the West. The Arab World recognizes the underlying coercion inherent in a policy that strives for the economic and military dominance of America and for the prevention of any competitors to emerge. And the Arab world resents the growing American military presence on its soil. In fact, the more the aggressive, imperial neoconservative agenda is pursued, the greater the mistrust of America in the Middle East and the greater the recruitment pool for terrorism. There is nothing appealing or inspiring about a global hegemon dictating how others should live "for their own good" with the firepower present to make it happen. A look at both George Bush’s birth chart and his Inaugural chart offers an understanding of this penchant for limiting free speech, on the one hand, and for resenting and ignoring limitations set by outside forces, on the other. The White House Resident’s resistance to criticism and his inability to hear disagreement comes primarily from the Mercury/Pluto/Ascendant conjunction in his chart. Mercury, the planet of thinking agility and capacity for thought is in the sign of its fall, Leo, the sign where it is least able to manifest its qualities. Mercury is best expressed in the signs of Aquarius and Gemini, where it is able to be objective and grounded in a clear thinking process. In Leo, on the other hand, the thinking can become personalized due to self-absorption and lose its objectivity, as well as become quite rigid and emotional rather than flexible and rational. These negative attributes are greatly intensified by Mercury’s placement here conjunct the Ascendant, which adds to the ego-centered focus, and by Mercury’s conjunction to Pluto, which intensifies the deep, emotional and rigid undercurrent to the thinking process, at times rendering it suspicious and distrustful. In addition, the Pluto/Ascendant combination brings the very controlling qualities inherent in Pluto to Bush’s interaction with the environment, the Ascendant. Generally, the Plutonian nature feels very threatened, at times terrified, when it is not able to have tight control over conditions. This has manifested in the very tight rein the administration keeps over the White House and its members in terms of zero tolerance for leaks, a strict dress code, and an unwavering insistence upon a uniform message. No breaches are tolerated. The Plutonian theme of strict control in Bush’s chart is mirrored in the Inaugural chart’s Sun/Pluto semisquare and Moon/Pluto conjunction. Although Pluto in hard aspect to the Sun brings focus and determination to an entity’s goals (the Sun), it can also suggest an unrelenting need for control and a lack of flexibility. The Moon/Pluto conjunction, however, suggests that the control issues permeate the underlying emotional tenor of the administration as well. Located in the 8th house of potential life/death struggles, the Moon/Pluto conjunction suggests an overwhelming, compulsive need in this administration to protect against what seem intensely threatening forces. The battle for control becomes a life/death struggle for survival. This can be seen in the administration’s experience of terrorism as an omnipresent menace, justifying the need to be hyper-vigilant and, at times, indiscriminatingly ruthless against this danger. It can also be seen in the administration’s overreaction to criticism and disagreement, perceived as political threats to its very existence. Anything even remotely interpreted as threatening is aggressively attacked and suppressed. George Bush’s personal tendency to resent outside restrictions on his freedom of action derives from the placement of the Moon’s South Node in his birth chart. The North and South Moon Nodes always form an axis, with the former describing healthy integrative qualities that facilitate goals, and the latter, falling in the opposite degree of the zodiac, describing a person’s unconscious characteristics that sabotage efforts and cause havoc when overindulged. With the South Node in the 5th house in Sagittarius, we find an unconscious tendency toward reckless, ill-thought-out behavior, and a “go-by-the-gut” nature that craves no restrictions on its freedom (Sagittarius). It is the quintessential configuration of the gambler. The North Node position in Gemini in the 11th house, on the other hand, suggests that a successful outcome derives from working in a collegial way with allies (11th house), sharing goals, and thinking rationally (Gemini) rather than ideologically (Sagittarius). Sound familiar? Beginning in December 2003 and continuing through early November 2004, transiting Pluto is crossing Bush’s South Node. May, June, and October 2004 are especially highlighted. When Pluto transits a point in the chart, it tends to accentuate the qualities represented by that placement. In particular, Pluto will so intensify any dark, hidden patterns of behavior that they move into acute awareness. This shift into consciousness often elicits a very painful transformation. In Bush’s case, this transit is making it very apparent that his pattern of ill-thought out, reckless action and his inability to work in a respectful alliance of equals has led ultimately to failure. The South Node is also know as “the point of self-undoing.” As is always the case in astrology, this Pluto transit is tied into other concurrent Pluto transits. Thus, while Pluto crosses Bush’s South Node during 2004, it is simultaneously opposing the US Mars and conjunct the Gulf War chart Midheaven. These three transits are working in concert. Transiting Pluto opposing the US Mars has put a very intense focus on our military, bringing it into fierce confrontation with a relentless enemy. Because Saturn also looms ever more largely in the picture - conjunct the US Sun and Bush’s Sun in June - a feeling of deep pessimism is becoming increasingly attached to the entire war enterprise. But another dark undercurrent of this war has also been highlighted of late, something that was hidden and is now very much in everyone’s awareness. This is the brutal prison abuse scandal that is now threatening America’s moral credibility in the world and rapidly unveiling the administration’s callow disregard for international law in its handling of prisoners of war. Despite the White House’s endless denials and attempts to scapegoat low-level soldiers, it is becoming clear that the administration ignored many warnings, concerns, and reports about abuse for months before the infamous photos became public. It is also being revealed that these techniques have been far more pervasive and accepted than Bush’s bullyboys are willing to admit. As is always the pattern with Pluto, the lurid disclosures are leading to a painful but much needed transformation. The Gulf War ll chart also shows signs of profound metamorphosis during 2004 due to the Pluto transit to the chart’s Midheaven. This aspect suggests that the war’s entire definition is in the process of transformation, manifesting through intense power struggle, most especially during May and November 2004. The widely circulated, vivid photos of prison abuse and the tales of overly aggressive interaction with the Iraqi people (Pluto/Mars) have clearly led to a further breakdown between the Iraqis and the US. With the progressed Gulf War Midheaven opposite natal Saturn from April 2004 through April 2005, it would seem that the war’s initial grandiose goals will increasingly dissipate by early 2005. The pressure of a sullen, angry, and unhappy people (Saturn/IC) is likely to completely subvert the US-led Coalition’s control of the situation (Pluto/MC). Furthermore, the Uranus transit opposite Iraq’s natal Ascendant throughout the summer suggests growing upheaval and rebellion against any residual US influence. The overwhelming fear of a menacing terrorism may underlie the Bush administration’s compulsion to viciously subjugate any real or imagined threat. Or it may simply be an inability to grasp the deeper meaning of democracy with its presumptions about inherent human dignity and the protection of human rights. But the current prison abuse scandal, which has brought with it an extraordinary compendium of human rights abuses, shows us that the rule of law must be the bedrock of our civilization no matter what the perceived danger. Without it, nothing differentiates us from those we so righteously oppose. As a nation, we have already gone well beyond the fork in the road - to our great shame. If this abuse scandal can truly bring the hidden poisons of our current system to the cold, clear light of day, it will provide us an enormous opportunity. Continuing on our current journey will only lead to less and less respect for individuals, greater contraction of our liberties, and the ultimate death knell for our democracy. The untrod road left behind at the fork is the one we must struggle to find and to traverse with firm footing. This other road will return us to our founding principles and enable those truths to once again be “self-evident,” evolving even further in a newly globalized world. For equality, basic rights, and the rule of law must not only be reaffirmed within America but also in America’s dealings with the world and its citizens.
Nancy Waterman on May 13 | Link
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Wow! Awesome article and oh so true. Wow! Posted by: Pat on May 13, 2004 08:51 PMThanks, Pat! Posted by: Nancy on May 13, 2004 08:56 PMYou got to the root of it Nancy. Posted by: Pat on May 13, 2004 08:59 PMRemarkable piece, Nancy!! Posted by: Laurie on May 13, 2004 09:03 PMDo you think Nancy, that 6/11/04 or thereabout +/-weeks on either side, astrologically threatening Delicious, Nancy. Wonderful! Just wonderful! Many thanks! Posted by: shylurker on May 13, 2004 09:30 PMthanks for the writing nancy! as we are coming into one of the major bad transits for bush, june 9..(the sun venus happening as well), can you have a closer look at june 9th? my astrocartography chart for bush shows saturn placed over his asc right around the carolinas..do you have a better map? considering he's having a saturn slamming anything to do with saturn is important at this time no? can you pinpoint exactly where that line crosses, AND does it cross over the island off georgia where the eu summit is to be held on june 9? i do disagree with you though that our reputation is damaged and in terrible danger. we have gone way past that fork a long time ago (vietnam), and the recent/current scandal is just a VERIFICATION that americans are sickos. or should we say that the lunatic fringe actually adds up to a substantial number here (probably between 40-45 per cent?) the recent spin on the prison abuse on talk radio that it's ok comes directly from the top, i believe. Posted by: Roxanne on May 13, 2004 09:44 PMThe tone of disregard for democracy set by Bush & his henchmen is beautifully tied into your elucidating explanation of the principles on which this country is based. Beautifully written article and I also appreciation the clear explanation of astrological aspects. Thank you! Posted by: Sharon Katz on May 13, 2004 09:52 PMI mean "appreciate." I have Mercury in approx. 17 Aquarius (which sounds good per your article) but Neptune is transiting! Posted by: Sharon Katz on May 13, 2004 09:55 PMSharon, did you see my response to your question at the tail end of "the Abyss"? Posted by: Dommael on May 13, 2004 10:04 PMImpressive lineage, Dommael. All of the angel's names that end in "el" are so beautiful. "El" is one of G-d's names. And you have spirit, brawn and courage on one side (Imagine having an acestral claim founded by Fat Duncan who fought in the Battle of Bannockburn, Laddie) and brains (really!)and class on the other. Posted by: Sharon Katz on May 13, 2004 10:05 PMI surely do not deserve such compliments. BTW, how does one look up the N/S node. I see where my True Node is listed. Thanks! Posted by: Sharon Katz on May 13, 2004 10:09 PMSharon, BTW, great article Nancy and I have transit Merc squaring Natal Uranus now. Thus the constant rushed correspondences and poor spelling. Woops! And on that note, gotta go. Posted by: bhakti on May 13, 2004 10:54 PMNancy, I was crying before I finished reading the first paragraph... the past two weeks have brought such shame to our nation... more than we could have possibly imagined. The words from the Declaration of Independence have always affected me, but they have never brought me to tears. I see it slipping away... like leaves on the water... quick! we must all surround it with light, bring it forth in its full glory once again. The following phrase is one of many I especially found poignant: "When the rule of law is supplanted by the will of the powerful, the heartbeat of democracy goes on life support." One sentence says it all. Truly the health of our democracy is critical... and the clock is ticking. December 2000 seems so very long ago... a different time... perhaps even another space... I thought then that Bush's selection by the five crows was our lowest point. The failure of our votes to really be counted seemed to me the beginning of the end. But the last 15 months in general and the past days have pushed that point aside. For me, the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq was the fork, the road we should not have traveled. Bush broke the laws of our Constitution, our nation --- and in an 'in your face' gesture to the international community placed himself above all law, indeed making his administration, its agenda, his will --- a law unto itself. "The untrod road left behind at the fork is the one we must struggle to find and to traverse with firm footing. This other road will return us to our founding principles and enable those truths to once again be “self-evident,” evolving even further in a newly globalized world. For equality, basic rights, and the rule of law must not only be reaffirmed within America but also in America’s dealings with the world and its citizens." Perhaps I will never again see this nation, my country, as I once did, but your words resound and my heart feels hope surging, pumping energy into the lifeline of our nation. Sally, I see the earth moving ... slip/sliding from under this White House. It will be as you suggested... slow and steady. And Nancy, you were right on about Jupiter's station and subsequent movement direct... the energy was almost palatable when first CBS and then Sy Hersh began pulling the veils down. 'Course no one on the planet could have predicted the revelations of Abu Ghraib. My days are pain-filled as I'm sure yours are; but I find hope here... hope that transformation will come from Pluto's rotting. There are so many people waking each day... it is difficult for some and impossible for others to fully see the underbelly of this nation. Horrific as the pictures are, they are doing more than all our words the past couple of years --- what a gift those who suffered at the hands of their tormentors have given us. Blessings on them, heaps and heaps of blessings. Peace Posted by: Jo on May 13, 2004 11:58 PMThanks again Nancy for another great article. Always wondering what the truth is, further fog develops over the "Berg" video. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4FFA61A3-9C33-4597-A8D9-8079E91F2784.htm
cnn wants to know if you think the US Government shares some of the guilt for the murder of Nick Berg. Go vote. Posted by: shylurker on May 14, 2004 12:25 AMone of your best articles yet Nancy Posted by: Sally on May 14, 2004 12:28 AMNancy, powerful stuff! You seem to be going through an exceptional creative state. Nice work. Posted by: Janet on May 14, 2004 12:47 AMRaj - I don't know about 6/11 being threatening as in dangerous. This is Saturn here not Uranus and Mars or something else explosive. I see it more as just humiliating and abject failure, which he won't be able to avoid. He will meet with these foreign leaders throughout early June and they will all admonish him and give him nothing. Roxanne - Another way to do astrocartography for a very specific location is to do a location chart. So if you draw up GWB's birth chart, but located in Sea Island, Georgia, (at 6:26 AM) you get an Ascendant about 25 Cancer plus a few minutes, within a degree and a half of W's Ascendant, with Saturn on the first house side. Just more proof he will not be a happy camper at all. Posted by: Nancy on May 14, 2004 12:50 AMThanks, everyone!! I have felt for a while that the problem with Dubya, and secondarily the whole neocon agenda, is that they are really the antithesis of what our country was founded upon. That is really why the Iraq war happened and why it failed. Freedom of speech was suppressed and the rule of law was tossed. To me all things wrong with Dubya stem from his thwarting of the founding principles which then translates to wrong policy. Even the balance of powers haas been turned on its ear. Posted by: Nancy on May 14, 2004 12:58 AMNsncy, one more thing, not only is our Democracy muffled, it is also stage managed. Not one media person has the decency to call Rumsfeld's visit to Iraq today exactly what it is: A pictorial stunt to cover and protect Rumsfeld's hide, with select soldiers in attendance to play "happy soldier's". Posted by: Janet on May 14, 2004 01:01 AMJanet, I saw the live feed for Rumsfield's stage managed show. I took a look at the soldiers behind him, they weren't happy campers, some appeared rather skeptical, arms folded. Nope, no smiling faces behind him. I doubt our troops are buying into this for a minute. You'll get a preview of the military reaction: Thursday 13 May 2004 Donald Rumsfeld has a new war on his hands - the U.S. officer corps has turned on the government http://truthout.org/docs_04/051404A.shtml I almost put in some interpretation on rummy's chart in the article, but it just didn't fit by the time I got there. He and Bush have a bit of a reprieve right now, but things will get worse again very soon. Saturn will be on their composite MC the last week of May, so the war and their reputations will suffer yet again. The administration could be getting quite paranoid around then, and increasingly into the first half of June. Inaugural Moon will be semisquare Pluto, triggering the natal conjunction. Rummy has the Jupiter station square his Ascendant/Mars opposition right now (March through June) which is why he seems so cocky, irritable, and aggressive. If he is fired, I would assume it would come in July when Saturn crosses his Sun, 7/6 to 7/14. But I think he is here for the duration. Posted by: Nancy on May 14, 2004 01:13 AMThanks, Bahkti. I understand from Sally's article that they are exact opposites (N/S node). I just don't know where to look mine up? In the online emphemeris I use, it gives my "true node" but doesn't say anything about north or south node. Is true node the same thing as one of those? Sharon Posted by: Sharon Katz on May 14, 2004 01:25 AMSharon: Like Dommael, my answer to your question is in
Sharon - The True Node is the same as the North Node. The old ephemeris' just called it the Node and gave it a uniform motion. The True Node is more accurate and gives the slight back and forth motions. Posted by: Nancy on May 14, 2004 01:57 AM
Give me know the date you are looking at and I'll let you know. Posted by: corleonis on May 14, 2004 01:59 AMIt's not just this administration, but the corporations that are ruining everything. They lobby for overturning/preventing any environmental legislation. They influence our foreign policy or should I say ARE our foreign policy. They own our media, and if it's not in the news the majority don't believe or know about it. It's very depressing. I just don't know what can be done. Do we need for our economy to collapse to get the corporation out of business? I've been racking my brain trying to think about how our Country can be turned around to where our founding fathers had it. Greed and self-interest can ruin everything. Posted by: Laura on May 14, 2004 03:03 AMWe can start at the FCC and rein in the media conglomerates. Perhaps they could be forced to break up into samller pieces so they don't control the news so completely. Then we could force regulations onto the polluters, but to do so may have to be done through executive order or through the EPA to bypass the Congress. I don't like the idea but with Tom Delay stopping everything, we may have to fight dirty on these things. Posted by: Nancy on May 14, 2004 03:37 AMNancy has once again written an insightful article of the functioning of American democracy. We should shower her with our praises. I find the notion of the fork in the road to be a particularly useful way of thinking about what has happened in this country. There have been several forks in our national road. The first was when the Supreme Court selected Bush to be president. The second one came after 9/11. The third, arguably, was after the invasion of Afghanistan. And perhaps now we are arriving at a fourth. What will we do about the mess we created in Iraq, and then will we reelect Bush to another term. My sense is that the country regonizes that it is headed in the wrong direction. The right direction / wrong direction polling is usually the most effective indicator of how the electorate feels about an incumbent president. Hopefully, we will end 2004 and begin 2005 with a major course correction. I have heard it said before that Nixon poisoned American politics and that the country has never really recovered. The people who fought in Vietnam when Johnson and Nixon were running the show are now running the country themselves. There is a sense in which our national leaders are almost trying to exorcise the ghosts of that tragic war, as if trying to prove that if they had been in charge that they could have done it right. But the Bush administration has failed to grasp the essential point that you cannot bring democracy to a people while pointing a gun at their heads. One other thing: I would like to suggest a possible event that might correlate with the Venus occultation in June. One possibility is that it could involve a significant archaeological discovery that impacts humanity in a major way. Imagine if archaeologists found Noah's ark or the ark of the covenant. Or imagine if they discovered the lost city of Atlantis, believed until now to be only a myth. A discovery like this might increase global consciousness, or be interpreted a sign of divine intent depending on the context of the discovery. It's probably wishful thinking, but I hope something wonderous like this happens. Posted by: Dave on May 14, 2004 03:47 AMSharon: I know what you are asking. The difference between the Mean Node and the True Node is just something astronomers use. The 'mean' elements are the calculations on a predetermined orbit. and the 'true' node takes the perturbations in the orbit into account. Perturbations are simply fluctations in the orbit. What you want is the 'true' node and if you have your birthdate you can find them. Just post your birthdate and either I or one of the astrologers on the site will be able to calculate it for you, you can also find it in an ephemeris, just look at your bdate and follow that across to the node position Posted by: Sally on May 14, 2004 04:23 AMThank you Bhakti, Sally, Nancy, Corleonis. I do know my true node (19 Pis) so I'll work from there. It is SO amazing to have astrologers at my fingertips! Thank G-d for the internet and for this website :-) Great story about your name, Corleonis. You sound like a Leo who has realized your true Leoness. I have heard of Alan Leo and I remember Sydney Omar who was also a Leo (I know he was a pop astrologer but he seemed pretty knowledgable and was a fabulous writer). He's the one who got me started 25+ years ago when my mom started bringing home Dell mags and things by him. My mom is also the one who kept telling me to stop talking about astrology to everyone as they will laugh at me and think I'm nuts. Well, it's not so nuts. I have my moon/pluto conj. in Leo and everyone in my life from my brother, mother, mother-in-law to pets, former lovers, current husband, step-son have had a strong Leo placement. I'm also very drawn to Aquarius and Sag. I'm now getting my real estate license after 20 yrs at University of Miami working in office admin. & HR. A little further down the road I may take up the study of astrology more seriously. I know all the basics pretty well. Dave, in case you didn't know, a team is climbing Mt. Arafat this summer to see if the object that's all the way near the top is Noah's ark. They think it is, but some say it's too high. At the same time, friends of mine who go to Israel a lot, know Vendala Jones, a very colorful archeologist who has x-rayed beneath the Temple Mount/Dome of the Rock and believes the Ark of the Covernant is there. So, it just may be found very soon too. Dave you are exercising your esp here. By the way, I am Jewish and my Hebrew name is Chai Elka. Chai means Life and Elka, I don't know the meaning, but "El" is one of the name of G-d. It's nice to have a name with a deep spiritual meaning. Thanks, guys, for being here. Good night. hey nancy! thanks for the june 9 info. i knew how to do it, i was just lazy :-) Uh, Dave, no member of the top echelon of Smirky's Administration (excepting Powell, who has the My Lai mess to his "credit") fought in Vietnam. Cheney got out on every deferment there was, Bush was apparently AWOL from his little assignment in the Texas Air National Guard (or whatever it was called), and on and on. Kurt Vonnegut lets rip with the truth yet again. http://www.nationinstitute.org/tomdispatch/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1435 Ward on froggy love tunnels and rewilding a continent Chip Ward somehow manages to combine being Assistant Director of the Salt Lake City Public Library System with life as an ecological writer and activist; he's fought some pretty toxically grim developments in his own state without ever, it seems, losing heart or hope. So consider the piece that follows as his gift of hope to you, an antidote to whatever despair you may be feeling at the moment. Having spent a little time in Vermont whose hills were denuded of most of their trees by farmers a couple of centuries back but have managed, like parts of the rest of the Northeast, to reforest themselves, I have my own private vision of a "rewilded" continent. It's mile after mile of that beautiful, soft sea of green, which, given time and farmers who mostly decided to head westward long ago, has regenerated along with a world of unexpected wildlife. Okay, it's not exactly what was once there in species terms, but it's still pretty stirring. Anyway, let Chip Ward stir you with his vision not just of a rewilded America one hundred years from now, but of what's already underway here in these United States today. But a warning, good as this piece is, you need to consider it but a set of Cliff Notes for the new book he's just published, Hope's Horizon: Three Visions for Healing the American Land, which -- and isn't that the glory of any book -- really has the space to take you into those Vermont woods, to let you trail some wolves and bears and conservation biologists; which shows you how our rivers, like our wildlife, can be restored, which allows you the time to absorb new thoughts about a "rewilded" continent and how to get there. Of the book and Ward himself, Rebecca Solnit has written: "Chip Ward, with a nice background in making toxic polluters and nuclear barons perspire and knuckle under and a wicked sense of humor, is exactly t! he right tour guide for this panoramic vision of environmental possibilities and the geography of hope. The section on Glen Canyon rises to pure prophetic power in the tradition of Thoreau and Martin Luther King." Tom Rewilding America: The Froggy Love-Tunnel Vision Quest By Chip Ward Imagine America in 2104. From the air, what you see is a largely unbroken, green, and fluid realm with graceful and permeable natural boundaries -- all those geometric grids we were so used to faded away when we tapped out too many aquifers before we switched over to sustainable farming. There are still dams, but only a few. Water is stored the way nature stores it in regenerated wetlands, recharged aquifers, and along recovered flood plains that are also refuges for wildlife. The restored river valleys also serve as corridors for cougars, wolves, and bears moving between huge habitat reserves that are spread from one end of the continent to the other. In the Northwest, salmon teem in pristine streams that also provide clean drinking water for nearby cities. On Midwestern plains on a great, restored, natural "commons," the buffalo roam again. Across a mostly rural continent, the howling of wolves can sometimes be heard at night. Lawns, so popular in the water-wasting days of the twentieth century are rare, but native plants thrive everywhere, inside buildings and out. Schools have shaded playgrounds and gardens. Rainwater and storm runoff are harvested to make it happen. An urban renaissance went hand-in-hand with the creation of a continental network of nature reserves. Cities eventually became more attractive than sprawling suburbs because they offered so many parks, sports fields, libraries, galleries, restaurants, nightclubs, and museums. After several decades of explosive growth, sprawl stopped, and then receded, as long and frustrating commutes, dead lawns, and the social isolation of the burbs lost out in competition with the easy transportation ....... Posted by: Pat on May 14, 2004 01:31 PMhttp://www.markfiore.com/animation/contractors.html Posted by: Pat on May 14, 2004 03:38 PMMark Morford is a must read today. "After all, real life is not in the dour headlines. You know this. Real life is not in BushCo's blank confused smirk. Real life is where you launch forth, right now, just after this period coming up, this one right here." Posted by: bbuster on May 14, 2004 03:54 PMNancy, your best article yet! As a Scorpio, I gotta love Pluto sitting on Bush's South Node bringing the shadow side to the light! On the surface, the events occurring in the US don't look too favourable, but in the long run I view it as waking up the American people and helping them to adopt a more globally conscious attitude. We are all One and are making the shift to that conscious reality. Because of this, no single country can continue to think itself dominant, but must open up its understanding so that we can manifest a higher light together. The US has long thought itself superior and behaved as if it is so. This is old thinking. There is no "better than," just "different from." Now there are many events that are deplorable, but are encouraging Americans to wake up and participate in the world. To truly manifest the global consciousness, we need to have the US on board with the attitude that we are One. I know it sounds like reverse psychology, but the events occurring (with the perfect timing of the planets)is the most positive thing that can happen for the US. Pluto in the US first house is helping the nation to see its shadow side and will eventually allow Americans to view themselves as part of the whole - and not the whole itself. Blessings to everyone! Love & Light :) Posted by: Viki on May 14, 2004 04:39 PMShylurker, that Kurt Vonnegut story just made my Friday! I'm aware that the administration is full of chickenhawks. My point was that the right has been trying to exorcise the demons of the Vietnam War ever since it happened. There's a sense in which they almost seem to believe that that war could have been won, if only it had been handled differently. The Bush administration is in a sense playing out a generational role. The second point I would like to make has do with US presidents and their sexuality. First we had Bill Clinton's Monica scandal, and now we have Bush's torture scandal which I firmly believe is reflection of or a projection of George Bush's sexual fantasies. Furthermore, there has been a sexual undercurrent to many of the administration's staged events. I read an article from www.commondreams.org that makes these points, but I would take it a step further. It seems that exposing sexual secrets or learning about the president's sexuality has become an undercurrent of the American political landscape. I think we need to develop tools and concepts for analyzing this phenomenon. I have always fimrly believed that spirituality and sexuality are two sides of the same coin. Read Jung if you disagree. It has been argued that the sexual revolution of the 1960's was actually a Great Awakening. There have been 2 or 3 of these Great Awakenings in American history, and they involve spiritual revivals. If this is true, then it should not surprise us that a recurring generational spritual upheaval would sooner or later involve a revolution of sexual norms. Given that sexuality has been out in the open in this country since the 1960's, and given that the boomers who led the sexual revolution are now in their prime and are running our society, shouldn't we expect sexual issues to play a role in politics? Posted by: Shylurker on May 14, 2004 05:50 PMI would be very interested in hearing your perspectives on this (Nick Berg's beheading): http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12790_Berg.html http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html 1.)Was the video faked? *** Shylurker, your post about sexual issues playing a role in politics is fascinating. For the moment ;-), all I have to add is that Monicagate was another fork in the road. I feel like as a nation we are living inside George Bu$h's twisted psyche. Namaste~ Everybody, I believe that was Dave whot posted the very interesting comments and observations on sexuality and awakenings. Posted by: shylurker on May 14, 2004 07:53 PMFor those of you who aren't as old as I, Swami Beyondananda was a '60s phenom. He's got a quirky, delightful sense of humor and imparts considerable wisdom in his own impish way (hey, he's a native of Oklahoma, OK?). Anyway, on the radio station this morning, Swami Beyondananda pointed out that FOX, when interpreted through numerology equals 666 (the number of The Beast). Now, if we could just broadcast this to the fundies. Oh, what fun indeed! As predicted by the most powerful and potent science of them all -by ASTROLOGY- predictions by astrologers are all coming to be TRUE. The latest shylurker, the sexual issue popped into my mind this morning after meditation, although from a completely different perspective. More of a mars vs. venus energy sort of thing on the grand scale. Jeanie, those very interesting comments about sexuality were from Dave. (He was responding to my misinterpretation of an earlier comment of his, and somehow put my name instead of his own.) Whoa Dommael, great links. I finally found a birthdate for Nicholas Berg over on "Political Astrology" a Yahoo group, referenced from the Assoc French Press ~ http://actu.voila.fr/Doc/040512161755.rnfja1lf.html *** Depuis sa ville de West Chester, non loin de Philadelphie (nord-est), ceux qui ont connu Nick Berg, qui avait eu 26 ans le 2 avril,*** A chart for April 2, 1978 shows impact from the most recent set of eclipses, new moon at 29 Aries conjuncted his natal Venus square Mars opp Juno, and the full moon at 15 Scorpio hit his natal uranus at the same degree. Trans Mars also conjuncted his natal Jupiter at 28 Gemini. Without a time, I don't know. Perhaps someone more experienced can glean something from the birthchart. I am tempted to give him Gemini rising which would put his natal Uranus in the 6th (self employed independent contracter) and natal moon/Aqu in the 9th (feeling at home in foreign countries), but I am only playing around trying to make puzzle pieces fit. The news broke the day of the Taguba hearings right? The moon that day was in Aquarius. It had lined up earlier with Neptune and isn't the last conjunction of the moon before it changes signs called something or means something? I wonder if the body was positively identified by anyone from the family? This story is very very strange. I also heard that Sean Hannity "with the small ---------" broadcast the full audio from the execution video on FOX last nite? ........... It keeps getting more and more bizarre. Posted by: Shade on May 14, 2004 08:32 PMTalk about sexual escapades/fantasy etc.In this area also, shrub and the rotten repubs are worse than Clinton. Now it is like a sex orgy committed by the whole rotten repubs in the army(may be it is group orgy)bringing the unwilling Iraqis also Raj - Interesting thought about Blair quitting. I had wondered if he might not disassociate himself from Dub in June as part of the Saturn transit. But his losing power one way or the other would still deprive Dub of his staunchest ally. The current adminstration is really a macho theme gone wild. All of the softening of the more evolved male energy is absent. One could see this prison abuse, which stems from all yang and no yin, as a manifestation of this. The whole attitude toward terrorism - fight, attack, kill - is totally devoid of understanding what the source is which would be the more yin approach. Posted by: Nancy on May 14, 2004 09:19 PMDommael and Shade, if you go to the What Really Happened site and scroll down to the article that provides the link to the Democratic Underground site, you'll find some very interesting posts from readers who have analyzed the torture photos at Abu Ghraib. The title of the WRH piece deals with photos that identify the higher-ups supposedly responsible for the tortue of the Iraqi prisoners. But as you scroll down thru the posts, you'll find people who have noticed that the white plastic lawn chair that Nick Berg was photographed in, appears in the photos/videos at Abu Ghraib. Also, in the photos is an orange jumpsuit, crumpled up against a yellow wall. Bear in mind that Berg wore an orange jumpsuit and was photographed against the backdrop of a yellow wall. Berg's father insists that his son was held by the US military. Could Berg have been held at Abu Ghraib? Could the torturers have been his murderers because of what he may have witnessed during his incarceration? His father was also named as an enemy by The New Republic, who placed his name on an enemy list. Could he have been killed because he was seen as an enemy combatant by these guys? Or could he have been used to provide "proof" of how dastardly al Qaeda is. One of the posters actually identified the most compelling and troubling aspect of the photos/videos of Berg's murder, which is the fact that there are sequential time gaps in the video/photo stream (beginning tape shows a time of 2:40 - jumps to 13:22 (or thereabout), then back to 2:44, etc.) The breaks in timing are very disturbing and suggests there could have been manipulation of the video. The whole thing looks to have been fabricated in some fashion. I've been troubled by the apparent lack of blood at the scene as well. Any way you look at it, though, it was a very conveniently timed incident and re-focused people on the "evil terraists" and diverted (somewhat) the attention the prison scandal had generated. I've thought this thing smelled bad from the beginning, but I couldn't put my finger on what I felt was wrong. I think there's more here than meets the eye and I've no doubt at all that the bush cartel would try to spike a story -even if it meant killing someone in the process. Posted by: Susan on May 14, 2004 09:21 PM
I think he is the one who beat his wife before their divorce in front of their kids and boyfriend of England. I wonder if that was the real reason Rumsfield was in Iraqi. I think this guy is there and going to be tried there. Rumsfield there yesterday and the news has the news about this plea deal about noon today. People who have seen the whole vidio of Berg do not believe that they are Iraqi. Posted by: Jean on May 14, 2004 09:23 PMEverybody, I believe that was Dave whot posted the very interesting comments and observations on sexuality and awakenings. Thanks shylurker! Somehow I must have accidentally posted under your name. Is mercury retrograde or something?! Ha Ha! Posted by: Dave on May 14, 2004 09:37 PMInteresting that in a conversation about the current lack of balance between masculine and feminine energies, one person's identity would get mistaken for the other one. Oh, wait, I'm reading too much into this again. ::goes back to assembling tinfoil hat:: Posted by: Dommael on May 14, 2004 09:53 PMThere is truly something weird about the Nick Berg murder. The thing that I noticed in one of the still photos was that the masked guys seemed real broad across the chest, and the ones on the left, particularly the one with the white covering, were really tall - quite a contrast with the mostly slender, short, arab terrorists. The strange chance crossed path with Zacharia Mossaui(sp?) in Oklahoma city. Further strangeness with an Oklahoma motel owner now indicating crossed paths by Timothy Nichols and arabs around the time of that bombing and FBI not following up on his statement at that time. The rush to kill McVeigh without allowing time for more info to unfold - in contrast to the 1st Tower bombing convictions. FBI record problems in general in that case, as well as field investigator info being blocked somewhere in the chain prior to 911. Berg was interviewed by the FBI. FBI interview in Iraq? hmmmm. Is there an element in the FBI still quashing things for reasons unknown - perhaps dirty dealing CIA coverup? Posted by: Jeanie on May 14, 2004 10:11 PMI am reading comments from a variety of sites and getting email feedback from friends, and this video seems to be the strangest phenomenon: If you think Al~Quaeda did it, you can find proof to justify your POV. Personally, I think it's further proof that earthlings from the future have gone back in time to plant seeds that force the universal consciousness to question the validity of all sensory input in preparation for the great shift towards illumination. The "Berg Story" didn't 'sit' well with me either, Nancy, In a previous article, "Bush's Last Hurrah", I believe, you mention that the administration will be attempting to conceal something significant by late May but it would be seeping into the national consciousness by June. Is it possible that it has to do with the prison scandal or Nick Berg and the White House knowledge of it or even its involvement? It strikes me that there are already lot of questions regarding the video and as well as the soldiers' stories at Abu Ghraib. Or is this occuring too early to be associated with the astrological transits you'd mentioned? I just received this email from a friend. What a concept! IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES. AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES. THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT TO THEM" DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY. THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT. WAITING ON THIS ADMIINSTRATION TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO? REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES, TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED. THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC. WHO PAYS IN THE END? WE DO! Does any one have the chart for the Mossad? Posted by: shylurker on May 14, 2004 11:47 PMSharon, Near my hometown (Lenox, MA) we had an astrologer who called herself Lady Leo (she was a Leo of corse) and had a weekly column in the Berkshire Sunday Sampler. She was great. She did my chart at the time and was so accurate that I was hooked on astology. Posted by: Laura on May 15, 2004 12:39 AMrg - It is actually quite useful to look at what the planets are doing right now as far as the administration is concerned. Jupiter is winding up its transit to Bush's Mars/prog Sun. I think this has made him quite angry regarding the abuse scandal, but at the same time kind of slither out of it with his polls not too damaged. This will be quite strong for the next week, so we may see the polls creep up again and look like maybe he got no big damage from the abuse scandal. He could also just pull in another ton of money given his Mars is in his second house. The Inaugural progressed Moon is just moving into a semisquare with natal Inaugural Pluto, exact in mid June. As we know, there is a natal conjunction between them. I see this as added paranoia and fear of survival within the administration. It is easy to see that possibility developing from where we are now and then getting stronger as Saturn pulls in for its home run in June. The administration trying to conceal something or be dishonest or be immersed in a scandal is the general Neptune energy going on with Neptune square Inaugural Ascendant, increasingly strong through June, and then quincunx Bush's Sun and the US Sun (which stands for the president). The latter two run pretty much July through December so the feeling of dishonesty, scandal, and things never really being true or on solid ground will continue. And then there is Saturn, which seems to be already making itself felt. It moves toward the big conjunction with the US Sun on 6/11, Bush's Sun on 6/16, square US Saturn on 6/23, conjunct Inaugural Node on 6/26, square bush's Moon 7/7, square Bush's Jupiter 7/18, conjunct Rummy's Sun 7/14, opposite Rove's Mercury 7/17, and square Bush's location chart for DC Midheaven 7/31. Figure all of these are good for a week to 10 days prior to the exact date. And Neptune is also very strong July through mid August. Saturn tends to force Neptune back down to earth - the scandals have to be faced, the lies are revealed, the self-deception unmasked. The thing to note about the Saturn energy is that it is non stop from the first of June through July. Then it returns the end of August square Dub's MC and conjunct US Mercury (oil induced recession, dollar plummets, housing boom bursts,... all kinds of possiblities.) This latter energy is strong through May 2005. There really is no let up from the Saturn, which makes the other planets very much more difficult. I don't see how things can improve for Dub. It looks only down hill now to me. But there are so many lies and coverups, it is hard to say what will be revealed. Posted by: Nancy on May 15, 2004 12:56 AMShylurker, That article by Kurt Vonnegut on Commondreams was a keeper, I put that in my favorites. Wow, what a guy. And, it's the kind of article that you can show to a conservative Christian (I know some) and not be offensive. Posted by: Laura on May 15, 2004 12:57 AMHere is an Alterman article that could end up being a story that will haunt Bush. He points out all the chances we had to get Zarqawi but missed because we were focused on Iraq. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601 Posted by: Nancy on May 15, 2004 01:18 AMI was reading the comments concerning a big cover-up, and all the sex issues. Maybe this covers both issues: USA rape and sodomization of Iraqis worst than imagined Los Angeles, Alta California - Cinco de Mayo - 2004 - (ACN) By now, the whole world is aware of the decadent, perverted and immoral abuses that took place inside the dungeon near Baghdad known as the Abu Ghraib prison. The vile incidents were committed, not by Saddam Hussein, but by those who call themselves "The Liberators of Iraq". What the world does not know, however, is the full extent of these perverse acts and who are actually and ultimately responsible for them. The horrid sodomization of Iraqi POW's and rape of Iraqi women detainees is much worst than can be imagined by decent minds. La Voz de Aztlan received information today that many of the rape and sodomization pictures of Iraqis are now being made available to perverts by Jewish owned pornographic websites based in the United States. One of these pictures, also released by CBS News, shows an Iraqi male POW on the ground with his underwear pulled down. The Iraqi has since been released by the US occupiers and has been interviewed by the international media. He says that he was sodomized by a US interrogator (hired mercenary) while a female soldier "cheered" and the whole event filmed. Why was this sexual torture and humiliation being filmed? Why were thousands of these photographs showing the rape of Iraqi women disseminated among the US troops in Iraq? A Mexican-American soldier said in a telephone interview, "Maybe the officers didn't know what was going on, but everybody else did. I have seen literally hundreds of these types of pictures." He added, "Many of the pictures were destroyed last September when the luggage of soldiers was searched as they left Iraq. The graphic photos were being swapped between the soldiers like baseball cards." The most important question of all is "Why are these pictures and videos being shown on, for pay, pornographic websites in the US? Were the pictures disseminated to the US occupation forces to encourage the rape of Iraqi women and other nefarious acts against the Iraqi populace? The American people and the rest of the world are generally not aware that the US government has hired literally thousands of hired guns, many with notorious war crime records. A significant number of these are rapists, sodomites and murderers from South Africa and Serbia. These vile individuals work for so call "security services" under contract to the Pentagon. Most of these "security services" are cronies of both Bush and Chenney and are owned by nefarious Jews who also have ties to the Burbank, California pornography industry. Among Afrikaner war criminals hired by the Pentagon are Frans Strydom and Deon Gouws, both with despicable atrocity records against South African Blacks that sought independence. There are an estimated 1,500 South Africans employed by "security services" in Iraq, according to the South African foreign ministry. Many used their atrocious backgrounds as mercenaries during Apartheid to bolster their credentials to the Pentagon. Many other hired mercenaries are Serbians known to be rapists of Muslim-Croatian women. Some of the mercenaries in the photographs shown raping Iraqi women look Serbian. The Military Police, including Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, has said that the cell where the sexual torture took place were dominated by these mercenaries in collusion with the CIA and Military Intelligence. La Voz de Aztlan believes that "film crews" run mostly by mercenaries actually instigated the rapes and sodomy of the Iraqi POW's inside the Abu Ghraib prison. These mercenaries had the full cooperation of the CIA and Military Intelligence and perverted elements inside the Pentagon and the US government. In addition, these mercenaries trolled the Iraqi countryside for Iraqi women they could abduct, rape and film. The ultimate purpose for the films and photographs was to make money in the multi-billion dollar pornography industry in the USA and other western countries. There are powerful people in the US government and wealthy individuals at high levels of US society that pay large sums of money for these decadent sexual materials. Some of these individuals are members of the Satanic Skull and Bones/CIA organization. These materials that also include "snuff movies" of Central American children are being distributed by Jewish pornographers. Posted by: Peg on May 15, 2004 01:57 AMthe point of this article seems to be that the I hope that you post this article, not because you You don't provide a link, but apparently this article is put out by a pro-Arab, anti-US, and anti-Jew organ. Posted by: on May 15, 2004 03:28 AMDo you have a URL on that piece, Peg? Way at the beginning, I suspected that this huge group rape was to re-stock snuff et al films for those with "strange" tastes. Poronography, run by the porno-puritan, is a global multi-billion dollar bidness. I think it is thoroughly connected to the Asian sex slave trade as well. You know the mass of customers? Think, for instance, Neil Bush. But none of this is new... been going on for centuries. One shld read, for instance, some of the accounts of American slave women "owned" by "white doctors." What IS new is that it's now coagulating out of the Shadow, like many other horrific supremacist activities, where's its been hiding far far too long. Does anybody else feel like they've been willy-nilly thrust into a buschie 12th hse porno-puritan snuff video?!? Can give one a whole new appreciation of how Fields of Consciousness work imo. These would be the same plutie/olie monsters who've looted the Iraqian museums of priceless artifacts/history & anything else they fancied. I'm still having an internal dialogue as to whether these dealers of misery, greed & violence are actually OF the Beautiful Planet Gaia... or from somewhere else not so... um, nice. But, mebbe so. Besides all that, our tax dollars at work. Posted by: JoannaOregonUS on May 15, 2004 04:00 AMNow Bush is citing Berg's murder as proof that Saddam had ties to Alqaida! This gets curiouser and curiouser. Our tax dollars at work: in our name. Posted by: shylurker on May 15, 2004 04:15 AM* Bush's POW Porn - By Dr. SUSAN BLOCK http://www.counterpunch.org/block05142004.html Extremely interesting and downright awesome comments here folks! You are all so appreciated. Posted by: Pat on May 15, 2004 04:31 AMBoy, these sex stories just keep popping up! This is from today's NewZealand Herald. Somebody over there must be offering big $$$ to someone. Auckland's Prostitutes Collective head has rejected claims Kiwi working-girls are being lured to Iraq by offers of big money. Regional co-ordinator Kate Dickie said she was surprised by a report this week claiming New Zealand prostitutes were heading to Iraq. broken system Like Nancy states above in so many words, it's Saturn's turn now. But first, there was Neptune........ A Grand Cross of Illusions: ***The result is a grand cross, involving nine points in the charts of these five individuals, which aligns their attitudes (fixed signs), ideas and motivations (two Mercuries, two Saturns, one Uranus, one Sun), and philosophies (four of the nine points are 9th-house planets) — tying together their consultations and decisions in a way that is classically resolute, unyielding, and downright dogmatic. To this provocative pattern astrology then adds one more crucial factor: transiting Neptune moving over all the points of that fixed grand cross, indicating not so much a heavenly collision as a subtle subversion, almost an invisible shroud.*** While we're all focused on Berg, Sharon's tearing up Gaza and US is tearing up mosques... one would think the neocons want instability in the Middle East. [Well, they told us years ago in their planned agenda that that's exactly what they want. And here we sit... drinking coffee, mowing the lawn, watching TV...] Shrine of Ali Damaged; Heavy fighting continued Friday between US troops and the Mahdi army in downtown Najaf and Karbala. The dome of the shrine of Imam Ali in Najaf was disfigured by four bullet holes, news that inflamed passions against US troops. US helicopter gunships blasted ares inside the graveyard that is considered sacred ground by pious Shiites. There were also major Sadrist uprisings in other southern cities. The Sadrists appear to have taken over Nasiriyah, and to have trapped 10 Coalition staffers and 10 drivers. ' "It's an inferno," Maria Cuffaro, a journalist for Italy's state-run RAI network, said during a brief live report on Italian television late Friday. "We're all OK, if a bit shaken." ' Juan Cole, speaking on media coverage of Berg, says "the benchmark should be the number of people affected by an individual terrorist act --a formula that he said should have relegated the video story to two paragraphs well inside a daily newspaper."
"(Berg's slaying) was done in order to get on the front page of the New York Times, and the New York Times should resist that temptation," he said. "I think we should be very careful about giving a lot of space and a lot of attention to what is essentially a monstrous, horrendous publicity stunt." -------------------- Same old shell and pea game. We fall for it every time... Bush's numbers are down now... but the new photos, the ones which indicate some troops actually murdered detainees at Abu Ghraib and other atrocities involving women and children... they were seen in private by members of Congress and they will be withheld from the public's view... so it will not really register with the public that those events transpired... and with the short memory span of most, it will all soon be forgetten and we will only see [the 'execution of Nick Berg] the 'chaos' in Iraq, with the insurgents (read 'resistance') fighting the US (do not read coalition, it's gone)... and the 'transfer of power' (what a sham that one is) will come, and of course US must remain (and continue to kill Iraqis) because as of June 30th they can get their hands on oil revenues and the international funds that are presently being held until there is a 'legal' entity (read puppet gov't) to accept the checks. Meanwhile, there's Syria and... whatever Sharon tells Bush is next... [talk about dual allegiance!] So many oil fields, so little time ('til November). ------------------------ About whether or not video of Berg a fake... They are playing with our 'heads' -- psyc ops all the time... look at Shade's post above... a shroud over the truth... Namaste Posted by: Jo on May 15, 2004 07:06 PMPost script to my comments above about the pics of detainees floating around the internet, porno etc. IMHO the torture of the detainees and the picture-taking came from orders on high (you can take that as high as you like)... there is a ongoing 'crusade' against the Muslims... Bush named it that early on and retracted the word, but now the deed... the first thing a conqueror does to the people it is endeavoring to subjegate is destroy their sense of 'self', of 'worth', of'culture'--- we saw that early on in the invasion with the looting of the museums, etc. This abuse/torture of the Iraqis is not new, it has been going on since we invaded... the pics floating around of Arab/Muslim men in scenarios of degradation are meant to bring feelings of shame to this culture. The utilization of Pvt. England in so many of the photos, esp. the one with the leash around the young nude man's neck was calculated. IMHO Not a pretty picture we are seeing of the underbelly of our collective nation is it? I need to take a shower now. Light to all Posted by: Jo on May 15, 2004 07:29 PMOkay, Scottish poet Robert Burns observed: Some of us are getting a dim view of 'us'. The rest of the world seems to be getting a full frontal. The view of those living in the Middle East might be one they've held from the beginning of our venture into this continent, with a whole lot of confirmation now that we have occupied one of their nations: European settlers with a biblical ideology invaded the Americas and destroyed the indigenous civilizations that had prospered there for centuries or millennia. New Americans paid no attention to the rights of local people, who were wantonly slaughtered and driven from their lands, or who died en masse of the diseases brought from Europe to the Northern American continent by the Europeans. Besides being built on the graves of millions of Native peoples in the eastern and central part of the continent, America was built on the backs of millions of Africans, kidnapped and worked to death in the new world to build and benefit the white man's paradise. This dual crime of genocide and enslavement was soon supplemented by a third, the systematic depopulation of what was once greater Mexico, the area now known as the southwestern United States, of its original inhabitants. The American colonial machine soon occupied all of what is now called the United States, and legalized and normalized the fruits of its crimes. In our high school history classes this was termed "Manifest Destiny" ... a policy, a `mission' if you will, to extend the 'boundaries of freedom' to others ...by imposing our idealism and belief in democratic institutions to those whom we deemed capable of self-rule. It excluded those whom we perceived as incapable of self-government, such as Native Americans and those of non-European origin. Writing in the Guardian across the pond, George Monbiot tells us: "The United States is no longer just a nation. It is now a religion. Its soldiers have entered Iraq to liberate its people not only from their dictator, their oil and their sovereignty, but also from their darkness. As George Bush told his troops on the day he announced victory: "Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, "come out," and to those in darkness, "be free".'" "The dangers of national divinity scarcely require explanation. Japan went to war in the 1930s convinced, like George Bush, that it possessed a heaven-sent mission to "liberate" Asia and extend the realm of its divine imperium. It would, the fascist theoretician Kita Ikki predicted: "light the darkness of the entire world". Those who seek to drag heaven down to earth are destined only to engineer a hell." http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1007741,00.html It appears our shadow collective is manifesting itself to the entire world. Is this a `new image' -- or is it in fact, us? There's much hope these days among democrats and progressives of winning back the White House and gaining some ground in Congress in an effort to change the direction the neocons are taking us. One hears comments about needing to clean up the economic mess, and then there is the ongoing debate about Iraq: whether to stay or go. Part of the neocon plan was to intensely divide us as a nation, and they seem to have succeeded. We are a House divided.... more so than in 2000, and possibly as much so as during the Civil War. [How can a `war' be civil?] If indeed Kerry is elected, there is the task of assuming power in late January and setting the correct course for change. What will that direction be, and how will we get there? Peace Posted by: Jo on May 15, 2004 07:41 PMI think we are divided only if we wish to be. The apathy that surrounds us from not fighting back is one of the classic wonders for me at this time. Why not? Hello, Jo, Syncronicity--our Women's Club web site has a page entitled "As Others See Us" and quotes R. Burns. The info there now is the post from Riverbend in Baghdad--"Just Go." To all, when my daughter was little I explained the symbolism of the US flag to her--red for courage, white for honor, blue for fidelity, each star represents a state, the 13 red and white stripes represent the original 13 colonies. We were at a public event where the large flag displayed was bordered with gold fringe. "What is the yellow for?" she asked. "Oh," I said. "The yellow represent the lunatic fringe. Posted by: Barbara on May 15, 2004 09:41 PMBarbara, Bhakti, You are correct about labels... I make an effort to refer to Sharon's policies and Israel's problems, etc. and not bring 'Jewish' into it... I don't believe you were referring to my comments, I simply want to affirm what you say about that. Labels and sterotyping are not helpful in creating understanding. My daughter doesn't like to cook, but she loves to run the office she works in, while my son-in-law loves to cook and prefers to be part of a team. Namaste Posted by: Jo on May 15, 2004 10:24 PMThe Jewish porno story wasn't written by me. Do I believe it? I don't know, but I think it "fits". As far as the Jewish/ Israeli labels.... heck, I personally only "label" people as people, some are just dumber; ie:in the dark. One thing I will add is that I have been acutely aware of the parallels of these times with Atlantean times for quite awhile, and I know that the rampant degratory aberrant sexuality of Atlantean beings, along with their abuse of technological knowledge is what brought down the house. Anybody read today's New Yorker yet? It's good: http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact Posted by: Peg on May 15, 2004 10:45 PMSomebody probably already mentioned it, but that Wolfstar (on Star IQ, see righthand side bar) has an interesting couple of paras on Smirky & Dumsfeld and on CACI. Also, Merriman in his latest is announcing that he will probably be hedging his bets on an earlier prediction of a Smirky "win". Posted by: shylurker on May 15, 2004 11:28 PMLooks like the party's over for Rummy. Fabulous comments~ all. "The Lunatic Fringe" and a Robbie Burns quote ~ with a postcard from Kurt Vonnegut on the side. God Bless the Internet. Regarding the porn article ~ dang this is getting into weird territory. I don't doubt that *some* American troops occupying a country would humiliate and, if they were worked up enough, sodomize and sexually abuse prisoners. Bu$h certainly hasn't helped matters by lying to them about Iraq being behind 9-11 and whipping them into an American Culture / Holy War Crusade mentality, that's fer sure. I believe that the primary reason those Abu Ghraib photos were taken, and the reason lovely Ms. English with her leash was choreographed in such a way, was to break prisoners psychologically. Say you're a muslim, an insurgent or just some random dude, and you have as little contact with the US as possible - You get hauled out of your bed by armed individuals and shown these grinning, impish, cross~culturally sadistic and humiliating images ~ (and I'm sure the presentation would make great television) ~ it saved the CIA countless hours in making the POWs spill their beans. Now, having said that, during an evil, immoral, War for Oil being run by cruel, merciless, greed~saturated sadists, (as we have in the Bu$h administration,) the top decision~makers are going to be hiring ***the Best*** (meaning the most conscience~less, vile, reptilian mercenaries available) and I'm certain those individuals figured out how to make huge amounts of money on the side through snuff films, sadistic porn, whatever. If the opportunity exists, it just makes sense to maximize your profits ~ if you have no conscience why wouldn't you? There are multiple layers to this shroud and the guilty parties are going to be trying to blend all of the nuances into one big mess. Obscurity works in their favor, the weasels. But I believe there is a big difference between the cogs in the wheel and those working the machinery. I just hope that Wesley Clark is legit and unifies the troops. If there is some sort of a bloodless coup that's going to happen to get this country away from the Neocons, it's going to be through the military. Make no mistake about it. As far as the porn industry being Jewish ~ I don't know anything about that. But if there weren't a market for it that crossed all boundaries of taste, culture, race and income, it wouldn't exist. Just thought I'd throw in my $.03. Nancy, Here it comes... just as you predicted... the mother of all tidal waves: http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact Sy Hersh's other shoe has dropped! get it while it's hot! Posted by: Jo on May 16, 2004 12:27 AMDommael, well said & my thoughts exactly. Thank you. Posted by: Peg on May 16, 2004 12:38 AMGracias, de nada, Peg. Still on the trail of the nodes, so here's another questions for Nancy (or anyone who cares to answer.) You allude to Bush's moon's nodes in this article, noting that Pluto is about to transverse his south node. You also describe the moon's n. node as representing that which is healthy and constructive and the s. node as the unconscious point of self-undoing. Is the true node (or n. node) listed in the Ephemeris the moon's node or is it the sun's node, and, if the sun's, does the n. and s. nodes have the same meaning as above? Thank you, This is kind of an interesting character sketch of Kerry ~ from a site that has media analysis down to a science. He compares John Kerry to Fonzie from Happy Days. *** The single biggest problem that Democrats have faced in the past elections is that they have let polls and their opponents define what issues will be the top priority rather than doing what any truly principled person would – define what the important issues are for the nation and address them, regardless of what polls or the media or your opponents say people want to talk about this week. On Monday, Kerry seemed entirely out of touch. But he stuck to his guns, and as the week dragged on, abuse, abuse, and abuse dominating the news, finally his message about healthcare – which he hammered away at with great focus – began to get through to people who wanted to hear about something else besides the disgusting photos and beheadings. Because of Kerry’s sticktoitiveness, there was a fresh story – one of hope and direction – to shift the nation’s minds to. Bloggers doubt Berg execution video. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 01:48 AMDetails of Berg's detention remain unclear http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/8660922.htm Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 01:50 AMI posted the news of the decade an hour and 1/2 ago and nobody has any response! Wake up you guys: read Sy Hersh's new article in the New Yorker: Here it comes... just as you predicted... the mother of all tidal waves: http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact Sy Hersh's other shoe has dropped! get it while it's hot! Posted by: Jo on May 16, 2004 12:27 AM This was in friday's Chicago Sun Times by Father Greeley. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0514-10.htm Now, I am off to go and read Sy Hersh. Posted by: Shade on May 16, 2004 02:42 AMJO, we read it, my dear. 3 posts pointing to it :) 3 posts on this thread? are you speaking of the new piece that came out in New Yorker dated May 14 re SAPs in Pentagon? I didn't find that upthread here... Posted by: Jo on May 16, 2004 03:04 AMhttp://www.geocities.com/purplesage23/index.html Timeline of Events Surrounding the U.S. Invasion of Iraq Bartcop is one of the three or four websites I regularly rotate my mental salad around. Incidentally, Bart is buying some air time on Air America and he's splitting the charges with a bunch of other sites to just try and give some Internet Alternate News exposure. They are aiming at a June 1st slot and any donations are very much appreciated. Bart sent me a personal thank you note when I bought his radio show cds as a Christmas present. He's a good guy. Gotta love that 64 IQ from Knuckledrag, Oklahoma thing. I posted it, dear Jo. The address is a bit different. See my post not too far above. Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 03:57 AMhttp://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/JAG_detainees_040515-1.html JAG Lawyers Say Political Appointees Ignored Their Warnings on Prisoner Treatment Lawyers from the military's Judge Advocate General's Corps, or JAG, had been urging Pentagon officials to ensure protection for prisoners for two years before the abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison came to light, current and former JAG officers told ABCNEWS. But, the JAG lawyers say, political appointees at the Pentagon ignored their warnings, setting the stage for the Abu Ghraib abuses, in which military police reservists photographed each other subjecting Iraqi prisoners to physical abuse and sexual humiliation. As the military's uniformed lawyers, JAG officers are in charge of instructing military commanders on how to adhere to domestic and international rules regarding the treatment of detainees. "If we — 'we' being the uniformed lawyers — had been listened to, and what we said put into practice, then these abuses would not have occurred," said Rear Admiral Don Guter (ret.), the Navy Judge Advocate General from 2000 to 2002. Specifically, JAG officers say they have been marginalized by Douglas Feith, undersecretary of defense for policy, and William Haynes II, the Pentagon's general counsel, whom President Bush has nominated for a judgeship on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. In an interview with ABCNEWS, Feith denied any tensions whatsoever with JAG officers. He also denied that military lawyers disagreed with rules and practices coming from his office that pertained to detainees. "That's not true in my experience or my understanding of what's happened," Feith said. But asked about some of these issues during the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing Tuesday, the current Army JAG, Maj. Gen. Thomas J. Romig, was less dismissive, calling the charges "troubling" and saying, "We're trying to get to the bottom of it." Under condition of anonymity, one current JAG officer told ABCNEWS that for the last two years, "the military lawyers have always been the ones speaking for greater protections and recognitions of rights for detainees — and the political appointees have argued for no recognition of rights and careful control of the process. That's an argument, to date, that the political appointees have won." More.... Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 04:29 AMShylurker, Just thought there would have been more buzz here that's all... Peace Posted by: Jo on May 16, 2004 04:32 AMSy Hersh, a jew by the way, is quite incredible! What a guy - and a former marine too. I hear that It's also pretty amazing that the gop attack machine hasn't attacked him. they attack everybody- but not him. He seems to have very very very good connections. Perhaps they're afraid to make him mad. But he is very angry at what has been done in Complete coverage from the New Yorker http://newyorker.com/archive/previous/?040524frprsp_previous1 Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 04:48 AMHey, Jo, no prob. I just wanted you to know I've been alert. We are getting very close to meltdown of this "administration." That's the scariest point of all. Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 05:03 AMjo - I had just come on here to post Seymour Hersh's latest and found you had already linked it. It is chock full of explosives!! This thing is not going away soon. Here are a few quotes: snip The success of the war was at risk; something had to be done to change the dynamic. The solution, endorsed by Rumsfeld and carried out by Stephen Cambone, was to get tough with those Iraqis in the Army prison system who were suspected of being insurgents. A key player was Major General Geoffrey Miller, the commander of the detention and interrogation center at Guantánamo, who had been summoned to Baghdad in late August to review prison interrogation procedures. The internal Army report on the abuse charges, written by Major General Antonio Taguba in February, revealed that Miller urged that the commanders in Baghdad change policy and place military intelligence in charge of the prison. The report quoted Miller as recommending that “detention operations must act as an enabler for interrogation.” Miller’s concept, as it emerged in recent Senate hearings, was to “Gitmoize” the prison system in Iraq—to make it more focussed on interrogation. He also briefed military commanders in Iraq on the interrogation methods used in Cuba—methods that could, with special approval, include sleep deprivation, exposure to extremes of cold and heat, and placing prisoners in “stress positions” for agonizing lengths of time. (The Bush Administration had unilaterally declared Al Qaeda and other captured members of international terrorist networks to be illegal combatants, and not eligible for the protection of the Geneva Conventions.) Rumsfeld and Cambone went a step further, however: they expanded the scope of the sap, bringing its unconventional methods to Abu Ghraib. The commandos were to operate in Iraq as they had in Afghanistan. The male prisoners could be treated roughly, and exposed to sexual humiliation. snip The notion that Arabs are particularly vulnerable to sexual humiliation became a talking point among pro-war Washington conservatives in the months before the March, 2003, invasion of Iraq. One book that was frequently cited was “The Arab Mind,” a study of Arab culture and psychology, first published in 1973, by Raphael Patai, a cultural anthropologist who taught at, among other universities, Columbia and Princeton, and who died in 1996. The book includes a twenty-five-page chapter on Arabs and sex, depicting sex as a taboo vested with shame and repression. “The segregation of the sexes, the veiling of the women . . . and all the other minute rules that govern and restrict contact between men and women, have the effect of making sex a prime mental preoccupation in the Arab world,” Patai wrote. Homosexual activity, “or any indication of homosexual leanings, as with all other expressions of sexuality, is never given any publicity. These are private affairs and remain in private.” The Patai book, an academic told me, was “the bible of the neocons on Arab behavior.” In their discussions, he said, two themes emerged—“one, that Arabs only understand force and, two, that the biggest weakness of Arabs is shame and humiliation.” Posted by: Nancy on May 16, 2004 05:15 AMShylurker, Don't get scared Shylurker... we will all get through this... not going to be pretty, but we'll do it... Morgana, how you doing gal!? Much better I hope... Pat, thanks for the link to New Yorker above with all the goodies listed... Pallas 18... PBS website, the NOW program has an interview with Sy Hersh... wonderful article you might like to take a look at... he is a powerful journalist... however, I heard one report tonight that Richard Perle in an interview on CNN was calling him a 'terrorist' and of course Faux Noos is saying his article is full of errors... everybody remember Colin Powell's comments on My Lai years ago when that story broke --- he accused Hersh of exaggerating, etc. HeH, Heh, what goes around, comes around... here we are again with Seymour Hersh --- from My Lai to Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and Afghanistan... and this time, Powell may be clear, again! Light to all, Posted by: Jo on May 16, 2004 05:16 AMI just saw shylurker had posted it several posts above. I guess it is burning holes in cyberspace tonight. I didn't realize Hersh had been a marine. I did know he is the one who wrote the Pulitzer Prize winning articles about My Lai - the Vietnam War massacre. Sharon - The Node listed in the ephemeris is the Moon's North Node. Most astrologers only use the Moon's Nodes. There are some, however, who use all the planetary nodes but I don't know where you would find them. Posted by: Nancy on May 16, 2004 05:21 AMThis prison abuse scandal must be what that progressed Inaugural Moon semisquare Pluto is about. They must be really freaking out over this. Posted by: Nancy on May 16, 2004 05:23 AMNancy, Namaste Posted by: Jo on May 16, 2004 05:24 AMJo, actually it's rather amusing. It used to be that I imagaine if you are Rummy or Perle or Wolfowitz, Did anyone catch Wolfowitz's testimony on C Span yesterday. First he turned white, then he looked It was wonderful. Especially when one Senator would not let him dissemble anymore,and told him Jo, you're always welcome. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 06:24 AM42% and falling.......falling.........falling. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 06:29 AMJo, did you read this link I posted yesterday from the NZ herald? Well you know what they say: "The higher they climb, the farther they fall." As soon as 9/11 happened and Bush' popularity shot up into the 90% range, I knew this administration was going down BIG. I told people he was going to lose in a landslide, and of course, everyone at the time told me no he's too popular or no he's unbeatable. And now it's looking as though he may not even be able to run as the candidate. Of course, that would fit his pattern of behavior. He always runs away when the going gets tough. He did it throughout his business career and during his political career in Texas. Nobody should be surprised at any of this. Posted by: Dave on May 16, 2004 06:37 AMI hope this sticks to Bush this time. He always seems to fall in the s--- and come out smelling like a rose. Getting ready for work. Let's see what is on the cover of Newsweek today. Probabably something about womens' health or some such unrelated stuff. (I work for a printing company. They do among other publications, Newsweek, Weekly Standard, Insight on the News, American Prospect). Off to kiss the corporate ass..... Patricia Posted by: Patricia on May 16, 2004 12:34 PMI believe our government's penchant for torture is going to blow up in their faces! Get a load of this article about the torture going on at Guantanamo. http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,1218014,00.html Posted by: Laurie on May 16, 2004 01:09 PMIn the words of Donald Rumsfeld, "Oh my........" Claudia Dikinis points out: New Moon 28 Taurus (conjoined to fixed Star ALCYONE, the star of "great grief") May 18. It's in the 6th house of the military in the USA's chart (Sagittarius rising). I also noted that at the beginning of the Taguba hearing last week, Pluto was in the 6th house. Of course if all this is about a SAP, the Pentagon is going to deny it. I am thinking Cambone and Boykin are well, just names to keep in mind, for lack of any better words. Wormy Karl Rove was stumping against Kerry yesterday. I can't help but think the GOP is going to get very ugly. They are up against a wall. Here's to hoping that the mirror finally reflects back the truth. So Patricia, what will be on the cover of Newsweek this week? Posted by: Shade on May 16, 2004 01:31 PMhttp://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0419/schanberg.php The Painful Lessons of Abu Ghraib ****Under a more truthful presidency, the torture disclosures might have been less of a blow to the nation's stature. This scandal, however, has scarred America worldwide—because Washington's arrogance alienated once friendly nations and because the prison images run so counter to the president's lofty words and claims. "Torture" and "the Almighty" do not fit together. This could be a presidency in the process of unraveling—getting more and more naked as it loses its clothes. ****
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4925201-102274,00.html Posted by: wv on May 16, 2004 02:40 PMhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3707641.stm Archaeologists have found what they believe to be the site of the Library of Alexandria, often described as the world's first major seat of learning. A Polish-Egyptian team has excavated parts of the Bruchion region of the Mediterranean city and discovered what look like lecture halls or auditoria. Two thousand years ago, the library housed works by the greatest thinkers and writers of the ancient world. Works by Plato and Socrates and many others were later destroyed in a fire. Oldest University Announcing their discovery at a conference being held at the University of California, Zahi Hawass, president of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities, said that the 13 lecture halls uncovered could house as many as 5,000 students in total. A conspicuous feature of the rooms, he said, was a central elevated podium for the lecturer to stand on. "It is the first time ever that such a complex of lecture halls has been uncovered on any Greco-Roman site in the whole Mediterranean area," he added. More... Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 03:03 PMhttp://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/opinion/16DOWD.html The Springs of Fate ?blivious of the consequences, the impetuous black sheep of a ruling family starts a war triggered by a personal grudge. The father, a respected veteran of his own wars, suppresses his unease and graciously supports his son, even though it will end up destroying his legacy and the world order he envisioned. The ferocious battle in the far-off sands spirals out of control, with many brave soldiers killed, with symbols of divinity damaged, with graphic scenes showing physical abuse of the conquered, and with devastatingly surreptitious guerrilla tactics. Aside from dishing up a gilded Brad Pitt with a leather miniskirt and a Heathrow duty-free accent as he tosses about ancient insults, such as calling someone a "sack of wine," "Troy" also dishes up some gilded lessons on the Aeschylating cost of imperial ambitions and personal vendettas. The Greek warriors question their sovereign's reasons for war, knowing that he has taken an incendiary pretext (Paris' stealing Helen from Sparta) to provide emotional acceleration to his real reasons — to settle old scores and forge an empire through war. When Mars rushes into Achilles' soul in his battle with Hector, as Alexander Pope wrote in his translation of Homer's "Iliad," "the springs of fate snap every lock tight." But Barbara Tuchman, in her book "The March of Folly: From Troy to Vietnam," observes that while the Trojans reject advice to keep that dagnab nag, as Rummy might put it, out of the walled city, "the feasible alternative — that of destroying the Horse — is always open." Cassandra and others warned them. (The always ignored Cassandra is left out of the movie, but she must have sensed that was coming.) "Notwithstanding the frequent references in the epic to the fall of Troy being ordained, it was not fate but free choice that took the Horse within the walls," Ms. Tuchman writes. " `Fate' as a character in legend represents the fulfillment of man's expectation of himself." A State Department official noted last week that if any of the Bush hawks had read Ms. Tuchman's dissection of war follies, her warning about leaders who get an "addiction to the counterproductive," they might have been less rash. "The folly" in Vietnam, she writes, "consisted not in pursuit of a goal in ignorance of the obstacles but in persistence in the pursuit despite accumulating evidence that the goal was unattainable, and the effect disproportionate to the American interest and eventually damaging to American society, reputation and disposable power in the world." More... Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 04:14 PMFirst, How lovely to find the ancient lecture hall and what an intersting opposite to the dumbed down podium speakers we have running (ruining) our liberties right now. Also, my first name's (real name) asteriod is conjunct 28 Taurus Alcyone. bhakti, I can tell you that from your writings here, you are lovely, and psychically by no means doomed. As in Dowd's article, we have free choice. We learn. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 04:29 PMCan't find a time, but Mossad was formed April 1, 1951. The ephemeris sez, for April 1, 1951: Sun 10 Aries NN 18 Pisces Venus 12 Taurus Uranus 5 Cancer Moon 3 Aquarius, presumably midnight GT. Is that so? Any comments? Wish I could find the time. Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 04:54 PMGreat news from South Africa, our country won the bid to host the 2010 soccer world cup! This will help so much with creating jobs thereby alleviating poverty. I posted before that the Venus occultation is conjunct S.Africa's natal Venus, this is a wonderful sign and confirmation of the importance of this transit. Something about Sedna I had been thinking about, since it is named after an Innuit goddess, I thought maybe it could be a sign for us to reexamine our old and lost cultures, esp. with all these recent discoveries. Maybe our ancestors are trying to show or tell us something, something that has been buried, about us as a species. Just some thoughts. Posted by: Azara on May 16, 2004 05:00 PMshylurker, Formitable and immature. I'd say they are in a state of confusion now. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 05:07 PMAzara, CONGRATULATIONS! Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 05:08 PMYes, Azara, that is wonderful news! Every time I hear or read the name 'Mandela,' the hair on my arms stands straight up. He is one amazing human being. He reminds me of the Dalai Lama in that both are so awesome yet so comfortable interacting with us lesser mortals. Pat, did you check my last comment to you on "The Abyss"? Also, thanks for responding to the info I was able to get on Mossad. Did you follow-up on the Johnson City, TN episode? Interesting--but no cigar. Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 05:28 PMChris Floyd brings up how Bush could have gotten Zarqawi and didn't because it would have harmed his public relations plan for going into Iraq. (And now, Bush shamelessly exploits the beheading of Nick Berg, by saying Zarqawi's existence proves Saddam was in league with al Qaida.) http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/05/14/120.html Posted by: Nancy on May 16, 2004 05:32 PMshylurker, do you mean the one about mashed potatoes?? :-) Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 05:39 PMNancy, if only we could impeach the little &*%$@. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 05:41 PMHere's more on the Bush-Zarqawi mess, Nancy. Si, Sra Pat. Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 05:43 PMI wish we could expel all the neocons and all the fundamentalist loonies and send them to Mars. Perhaps a bit would be bearable, like a dash of pepper in a meal. But this is like an entire plateful of cayenne you are forced to eat! Posted by: Nancy on May 16, 2004 05:44 PMTo Mars with no return trip! Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 05:54 PMshylurker, it's those southern continent connections. Posted by: Pat on May 16, 2004 06:02 PMI don't know what's going to happen, but after all this news coming out, I can't believe that anyone would think that "they" are going to allow an election to proceed. At first I thought "they" were going to let Kerry take his place, but I just really can't see it. Too much hubris. It ain't gonna be pretty. Posted by: Peg on May 16, 2004 07:32 PMJO: Hi, good to hear from you again. I have missed you the last few days! I heard Sy Hersch on "Week-end Edition" this am. Also heard him on "Face the Nation". What I am thinking about it is that it will go the way of every other criminal act this administration has committed. Some other BIG thing will come up and this issue will blow over just like all the others. I am very afraid that this administration will initiate some HUGE operation to induce more fear in us to take the attention off the issue. Posted by: Beverly on May 16, 2004 07:48 PMThat's what I fear too, Beverly. But we do have to hold on to the thought that we are not alone on this planet. Posted by: shylurker on May 16, 2004 08:46 PMEven the meeting before the meeting in Sea Island isn't going well (as was predicted on these very pages). Who ok'd the torture? Skylurker, Hi...Thanks for your concern but please tell me what you mean? That we have God's grace or fellowship with other people or assistance from ET's or all three. I'm confused.. I think also that the only way Bush Admin. will be held accountable for the prisoner abuse is if Congress is serious about uncovering the truth in a nonpartisan way. So far they have not on any previous issues. TO Everyone: Sy Hersh is a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist. He has very high ranking, impeccable sources. Perle threatened him with a lawsuit last Spring over writing he did about Perle's business dealings, at which time Perle called him a ist. I don't think the suit went anywhere. Hersh has been threatened with lawsuits numerous times. Isn't he just about the only true-blue investigative journalist we have left? Gregg Palast another great one. Posted by: Beverly on May 16, 2004 09:30 PMFolks - The bushies will not get off so easily here. They are moving into, not away from, some very difficult aspects (listed somewhere above). Perhaps it won't be the abuse scandal, perhaps it will, but they are heading into more trouble, not less. Posted by: Nancy on May 16, 2004 09:52 PMNancy, I have my popcorn ready. Where is Colin Powell in all of this? I used to think he was the lone voice of sanity in this admin. I heard somewhere (I forget where) that Kerry will be announcing his vp choice by the end of May. Any chance it will be a surprise announcement? Posted by: Teresa on May 16, 2004 10:41 PMPowell isn't a nice lil boy. He's a monster every bit as bad as the rest of 'em. Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 16, 2004 10:56 PM"Moore" trouble for Bush & Co. on the way: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3719261.stm Posted by: Timothy on May 16, 2004 11:03 PMI hope this article made it to a newspaper near you. Today I was thinking. . . . Where is Squeaky Fromm when you need her? Posted by: on May 16, 2004 11:50 PMI don't know who posted that, but we don't need Squeaky Fromm! Now or ever! Posted by: Jo on May 17, 2004 12:12 AMAbsolutely agreed, Jo! Could someone please erase that post? Fromm was a complete nut case. Posted by: shylurker on May 17, 2004 12:29 AMI found the perfect description of the current Jupiter transit to Bush's progressed Sun/natal Mars. "In the meantime, our troops have moved ever further into Najaf and the dome of the Shrine of Imam Ali, Shia Iraq's holiest site, has evidently been pitted with several bullet holes which General Kimmett, the American military spokesman in Baghdad, has blamed on the young radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. As if anyone in Iraq was likely to believe that, whether true or not. We've been told by the most moderate of Shiites, figures who would dearly like al-Sadr and his "army" out of Najaf and other cities, not to cross the "red line" and enter Shia's holiest places, firing away. But the Bush administration or possibly our military high command in Iraq -- for in the chaos of the present moment it's impossible to know which Americans are ordering what -- have no patience when things don't go their way. 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That the Library of Alexandria was uncovered is a fine addition to the symbolic return of the old gods as portents of the planetary alignments and the forces that shape current events. The discovery of one of the wonders of the ancient world and a shrine of civilization's knowledge (can you tell I'm mentally salivating about that? It's like *the* Library) at a time when such dire lies are being spread through the media, I'd have to say, is quite a remarkable gift. From whom or whatever. Our voice on the inside of the Corporate Mind who works for Newsweek (please~! Keep us informed! The Media Obsessive Personality types appreciate~) says the "Left Behind" guys are about to be exposed. This will create a ripple that will be heard everywhere from the mainstream news sources to the supermarket tabloids. I agree, this thing is about to blow sky high. Somewhere I read (but cannot remember where) about one possible manifestation of Uranus in Pisces. 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The post in which I suggested the possibility is located near the beginning of this column. It is such an honor to recieve this recognition. I'd like to thank my parents, my sisters, and my dog for their support. I'd also like to thank my co-workers, all my friends in politics, and my good friend Austin who originally pointed me in the direction of esoteric knowledge. Finally, I'd like to thank all my fans. You are the ones who make my predictions possible. Thank you and good night! *Cue cheesy music.* Seriously know, this discovery of the Library of Alexandria is just magnificent! Maybe it's a sign that we should repeal the Patriot Act and give our librarians the respect they deserve. Posted by: Dave on May 17, 2004 03:45 AMBecause Clark is nothing new... no break in the centuries old pattern. It's a tautology. The warboyz "do" war. When "elections" or "chosing of the leader", then of course we must have a warboy because we're at "war" & he understands war. He also sets us up for the next war. And we're all set-up all around by the same-old pluties & olies who LOVE it. Same-old same-old. Also, Clark, tho probably a nice enuf warboy as far as warboyz go, is a bit too, too white for my tastes... also a same-old. Take a look at his site. Not a thing new there. But perhaps that's the way it always shld be till Gaia is utterly blown up & poisoned... which shldn't take long now. No, not at all. We MUST have our Great White Daddy... preferably a "Good Daddy" rather than a "Bad Daddy." However, the truth is, they simply alternate. Depends upon whether The Monster Powers are in need of a little cash influx. Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 17, 2004 03:49 AMJoanna, I don't think so. Really. If you go back and read what Clark said, he was far from the Repub warboy. He was so humane, it must have made them sick to their stomachs. Take a look. Posted by: Pat on May 17, 2004 03:57 AMDave, congratulations!! 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What if ~ what if ~ there's a MAP buried in the floor of *The Library* that gives coordinates to Atlantis...? ?!?@#)??????? mmmmmmmm...................................yummy! Re: Wes Clark I think we're going to have to cross the great divide and get people in more of a {ProgressiveConservative} mindset to really make leaps and bounds in the universal consciousness. As the military guys have been so dominated by Right~Wingers, being faced with a Democratic Five~Star General Archetype means he is either a legitimate step across the gulf, or else, an imposter. Being faced with the mental choice, I prefer to imagine he's legit, bearing in mind that anyone who makes a career in the military is going to have some kind of tainted karma. At least he's somewhat of a break in the pattern. I voted for Clark in the primaries so I actually set my will in motion regarding this perspective. ***
Posted by: Patricia on May 17, 2004 01:53 AM Posted by: Dommael on May 17, 2004 04:23 AMNancy, Thank you for taking the time to answer my post. You are right, there is so much out there that we can only hope that we as Americans will sooner or later have to say, enough is enough. Thanks again. Morgana, I trust you are checking in on us from time to time. You are sorely missed. As you can, please let us hear from you. Posted by: shylurker on May 17, 2004 04:34 AMNEWSWEEK THE WAY THE WORLD ENDS http://www.uhcg.org/news/the-end.html This may also add to our "corpus of knowledge." ;O) Posted by: JoannaOregon on May 17, 2004 04:42 AMhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-oe-miles16may16,1,2850612.story?coll=la-sunday-commentary Karl Rove will be laughing about this all through next week, no doubt. Thank you so much mr resident. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3719095.stm Shylurker, "I hope this article made it to a newspaper near you. Posted by: shylurker on " Excellent interview of the Marine. It should be sent to the New York Times and every tv station. This guy needs to speak to the world. Posted by: Pallas18 on May 17, 2004 08:26 AMI had a flash of a thought that goes like this: In ancient times when Jesus was preaching and he had a ragtag mob following him, Rome and its governors said: "How dare this upstart itinerant preacher who leads this cult has the nerve to challenge the power of Rome." Isn't it interesting that the US and its officials are saying the same thing about Imam Sadr. Makes one see how the Iraqis view the American occupation. Just as the Jews viewed the Roman occupation. And who said Jesus would come back as Jesus. If nobody recognized him then, what would make anyone think he could be recognized now. Just conjecture and ruminations. Posted by: Pallas18 on May 17, 2004 08:34 AMYou have to read this. Sorry, my only link is to Another thing happening that represents Uranus in Pisces and Neptune in Aquarius was on "60 Minutes" last nite. Apparently the US Govt has started its own Arabic TV station, based in VA. "The Image War." Echoes of the rise of Nazi-ism? Posted by: Shade on May 17, 2004 01:07 PM
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"The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found," said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq (news - web sites). "The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) which was discovered by a U.S. force convoy.
This should be interesting. Bush and Blair to travel together to Iraq. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0516-01.htm Posted by: Pat on May 17, 2004 04:06 PMBIG SUNSPOT: Big sunspot 609 split in two this weekend. Each half is about three times as wide as Earth. Sunspot 609 has a beta-gamma magnetic field that harbors energy for M-class solar flares. More.. Posted by: Pat on May 17, 2004 06:33 PMThis is absolutely true: "The story about the abuses at Abu Graib was broken months ago in print but was completely ignored by the press." Timothy Stories about related abuses in Afghanistan and Cuba have been out there all along, but not graphic enough to get much attention. (Especially Guantanamo - lots of suicides and staff turnover reported. I think that will be a major scandal eventually). I just finished an MA thesis about prisons - I used to surf everyday for hours following world news about them. I can't find the story I want to post (links are dead anyway) but I remember one about US forces in Afghanistan stripping criminals naked, writing their crimes on their bodies and making them run through the streets - mind, this was in the regular press. I think "we" have been working on these strategies all along, which is one reason why they don't care much if they have real terrorists or not, just prisoners to work with. I have no doubt that this is official and has been going on long before we got into Iraq. And will probably come home to us to roost in Homeland Security someday with the same "folks". Some stories below that hint at it, but it's not the same as pictures... March 14, 2003 March 6, 2003 U.S. military preparing new ward for Guantanamo prisoners with mental problems IAN JAMES, GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) -- The U.S. military is opening a new ward for terror suspects with mental problems at Guantanamo Bay following a rash of suicide attempts by detainees, including one that left a man with serious brain damage. August 9, 2002 FBI to profile al-Qaida prisoners By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON | WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI has sent a team of behavioral scientists to create psychological profiles of suspected al-Qaida imprisoned at the U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, senior U.S. counterterrorism officials say. July 29, 2002 - Taliban prisoner cites torture in Afghan jail CHAMAN, (PNS): A group of Taliban prisoners, including the movement's former foreign minister, are being tortured and sexually abused in a jail near a US-military base in southern Afghanistan, a released prisoner said here at the weekend. "The Taliban prisoners are facing extreme torture," said Mullah Fazal Mohammad, a former Taliban commander who was admitted to hospital in this Pakistani border town. PS I visit at a major prison regularly. Since this story broke, the officers have been EX-treme-ly nice to everyone, inside and out. Posted by: elizabeth on May 17, 2004 06:42 PMThat interview from the Sacramento Bee was very informative, thanks for posting. Some warning bells went off when I crossed this line: google up "depleted uranium," dear Dammael. I hate to tell you this, but it is radioactive, very dangerous and (of course) very long-lasting in the environment. They like to use DU because it hardens the shells, the tanks' armor, etc. There was already concern about DU as a result of Smirky Sr's little adventure. Now this--and they're now using it big time. Posted by: shylurker on May 17, 2004 06:55 PMDommael and shylurker, the Depleted Uranium is also slowly poisoning our own soldiers if not outright killing them (yet) and undoubtedly contributing to birth defects or impaired conception in the young people exposed to it. I recall seeing the Rolling Stone article a while back - that's just about the only place I've really seen in-depth coverage in mainstream media. If (or when) this gets the attention it deserves, Bu$h is sooooooooooo much toast. This is what would get the Cabal in front of a war crimes tribunal, no question. Horrifying. The creatures in the White House are truly insane. The reports over the years after the first Gulf war is that many many children in Iraq have leukemia, and our soldiers who were in that Gulf war came home suffering with "mysterious" diseases, gave birth to children with birth defects and so on, but our upstanding govt has refused to acknowledge that our own boys could, would and did get poisoned by the weapons they were given. Posted by: Pallas18 on May 17, 2004 08:23 PM"own boys could, would and did get poisoned by the weapons they were given" ~ how symbolic is that?!? ~D Posted by: Dommael on May 17, 2004 08:28 PMDommael, it's not symbolic at all IMHO. It's conscienceless. Posted by: shylurker on May 17, 2004 08:44 PMDoes anyone think that a *155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device)* could be an indication of the discovery of a cache of "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" And uh, does anyone know what the back-up plan is now that the Interim President of Iraq was assassinated?!? the back- up plan is releasing this shit here, in London, Tokyo, Saudi, I think. 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