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MISTER ROBERTS

In keeping with my nautical theme from Mutiny on the Bounty and “Mister Christian,” I figure we have a “Mr. Roberts” here in Richard Clarke. Both Doug Roberts and Fletcher Christian dared to stand against their Captain. Both of those Captain’s were petty, selfish, self-centered and borderline insane, and both Captains were getting away with it and being elevated in spite of their obvious limitations to leadership. If you’ve never seen the movie “Mr. Roberts,” I would suggest renting it, with Henry Fonda as Doug Roberts and then think of Richard Clarke.

Over the coming days astrologers and political pundits alike will be falling all over themselves to analyze and predict the impact of Richard Clarke’s book on this White House. We will analyze Natal, Progressions, Fixed Stars, Black Holes, Solar Returns, etc. This is a boon for astrologers. The connections to the US Chart, the Inauguration Chart, the Election Chart, Bush chart, oh my gosh what a wonderful mine field for astrologers. We will be having a hay day. Not necessary to dig too far for articles and comments, the connections are staring at us.

Pundits will analyze, from partisan politics, his purpose, his truth, his personality, his quarks, his life-style, his attitudes. Did he mean what he said? Was he ‘grandstanding’ in his apology to the families? Is he just trying to sell his book? (Well duh, that’s why people write books,) Is he lying, is he bitter, is he trying to get even? There continues to be a feeding frenzy on the bones of Mr. Clarke. But our present day Mr. Roberts has already thrown the Captain’s plant overboard and it’s now swimming in the sea with its leaves going this way and that. The Democrats will be wondering if he's from heaven and the Republicans will wonder if he's from hell.

Richard Clarke (born 10.30.1950 at 5:45pm, in Cambridge, MA.) when I looked at his chart for the next year I wondered if the WH knew how to spell “holy s…” It’s easy to see how this man rose from obscurity to 15, 20 or 45 minutes of fame. Uranus went over a conjunction to his Jupiter at 27 degrees Aquarius in the 10th House, when he first gave his book to the White House for a vetting process. He said they took out some “good stuff” but it would seem that they didn’t take out enough. Uranus Conjunct Jupiter by transit or progression is a one time, big time good luck aspect.

Mr. Clarke’s Moon is at 2 degrees Cancer in a trine to a 3-degree Scorpio Venus, and this is the best part, Progressed Jupiter at 3 degrees Pisces has formed a grand protecting trine to his Cancer and Venus, with transiting Uranus setting all that off back and forth, back and forth right on up to December of 2005. Transiting Uranus will then keep forming that trine to first his Mercury, then his Sun, then his Uranus, in two years Jupiter will Conjunct his Moon, we should all be so lucky as Mr. Clarke over the next two or three years.

Mr. Clark’s Moon Conjuncts the US Venus, his Venus trines the US Venus, his Mercury and Sun trine the US Jupiter, his Jupiter conjuncts the US Moon the connections simply go on and on, it's amazing.

Richard Clarke was absolutely sincere when he apologized to the families of 9/11. He truly loves this country and would do anything to protect the people of the United States. He’s not faking it and he has never taken his loyalty to the country for granted. He loves the United States of America and her people.

His Natal Saturn at 28 Virgo conjuncts his Natal South Node at 27 Virgo, squaring a 25 degree Sagittarius Mars, with the nodal aspect he feels he has a destiny to fulfill and would be obsessed to fulfill that destiny. Because his Saturn is on the South Node there is a Karmic fulfillment for which he feels a responsibility. Again, he feels a commitment of loyalty to the United States with that Saturn and the nodes in aspect to the US Pluto. His soul or spirit chart shows he came back to earth to do that exact thing.

The square from Saturn to Mars, and Saturn in a trine to the US Pluto shows a person that is hard driven (not someone you would want to work for, that's for sure) doesn't suffer fools lightly, has an over zealous concept of what's right and doesn't blame others for his mistakes. The gods have a sense of humor when picking their messengers.

Mr. Clarke has another duty beside the US and that duty is to George W. Bush and to let him know he has gone too far and misused the power of the Presidency. His actions could be forcing GWB into a healing of the wounds this administration opened in the US and the rest of the world. Bush himself kept saying over and over that he was a "uniter not a divider." Now he will have to put his money where his mouth is or he doesn't get to continue. Clarke rang his bell.

I am trying to say this with as much drama as possible because the importance of it cannot be underestimated, Richard Clarke’s Chiron is in an applying Conjunction to GWB’s South Node, and Pluto has set off that 19/20 degree Sagittarius, Pluto is right now kissing up to GWB’s South Node, Clarke’s Chiron, and the duel Black Holes of Inanna (17/18 Sag) and Ereshkigal (18/19 Sag.)

The importance of Pluto conjoining these sisters, Inanna and Ereshkigal, “could impel a massive healing of the right brain function, and a return to the consciousness of the circle as opposed to linear predominance” (The Black Hole Book by Alex Miller-Mignone) What would the hard driving, obsessive, a man’s man, Richard Clarke have to do with this? He has split open the dialogue of “what are we doing in this country.” Richard Clarke himself has several planets on Black Holes, (there is his assured fame or infamy.)

We don’t all hear it yet, and George Bush and Richard Clarke sure don’t know it yet, but Mr. Clarke is singing “We are Fam i ly,” and one of our family members is sick and projecting it out onto the world. With Clarke’s Chiron, Bush’s South Node opposing his Uranus, the Inaugural Moon and transiting Pluto setting it off, and I should mention that Clarke’s progressed Moon is at 19 degrees Gemini; we are about to have an epiphany. No wonder the White House has been on every possible talk venue. No wonder the mainstream media has their shorts in a bunch this last week.

The collective heads of Ereshkigal (the underworld) have just received a sub-conscious message of catastrophe heading their way. They didn’t react this forcefully or rapidly on the day of 9/11. (Remember we act consciously on our sub-conscious and it’s the sub-conscious of the White House responding)

It’s been said that Richard Clarke will bring down someone with his revelations. Already on the web people are wondering if it will be Dr. Rice, the neo-cons, Powell, Cheney, no this arrow has been aimed directly at the heart of this administration and the arrow didn’t miss its mark.

There is more coming that will just underscore all that Richard Clarke has said and will say in the future. When he testified, Mercury, the messenger, was in a trine to a stationary retrograde Pluto, his words will not be forgotten. It doesn’t matter what the polls say, the pundits say, the Commission says, the White House, the Congress, his words will not go away.

Dr. Rice and perhaps Bush and Cheney will be testifying on a Mercury Retrograde, not a positive sign for them, Pluto is already retrograde as is Jupiter. Uranus isn’t, it just keeps moving along in a trine to all Mr. Clarke’s Cancer and Scorpio planets. Saturn in Cancer will be kind to him; it simply strengthens the transiting Grand Trine. The eclipse on April 19th has Mars at 18 Gemini close to a Conjunction to Mr. Bush’s Uranus, he isn’t going to be happy with what he is seeing, feeling and what other people are doing.

In 1957 a Dick Clark wound up a generation with the American Bandstand and now another Richard Clarke is one of the artists bringing the music back to Americans.

There’s tons more but I think Isabelle is going to do some synestry between Clarke and Rice and Bush, I am sure Nancy and Morgana will have something terrific. There is so much, just so much and it’s all rich. You can all look forward to some great articles.

Do not look for everything to suddenly be perfect and the way we think we want things to happen, because there is still much to be done with this country, still much to experience and much to be learned but Richard Clarke has unwittingly been our messenger that authenticity and victory is assured.

PS I cannot resist and then I will leave this alone, Richard Clarke's Jupiter is at 27'40" Aquarius, and yes it does conjunct the US Moon and our progressed Mercury but it also sits atop black hole Hecate. Hecate represents the Triple Goddess. Hecate is a member of DS 28, the largest Deep Space Shield which we don't know a lot about. Again quoted from Alex Miller-Mignone's Book.

Sally Cheyne McDonald on Mar 31 | Link
Comments

If it all works out, he will have saved this country from fascism. Wonderful, wonderful article. I feel like dragging out my old bellbottoms (don't worry, no way could I fit in them now), my ankle bells, Grateful Dead headscarf--and dancing the afternoon away.

Posted by: shylurker on March 31, 2004 11:18 PM

Sally, you are wondrous! I know you have been working furiously since you got dob info... bless you ten-fold! I do not expect anything immediately but I am truly gratified to know that my gut instincts were right that Clarke is a really good man... I will re-read your words but wanted to thank you. We look forward to more of your comments on this, as well as comments from Nancy, Morgana and Isabelle. Your article is my light at the end of the tunnel!

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on March 31, 2004 11:20 PM

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040331-112127-9812r.htm
Great "Oooops!"

Posted by: shylurker on March 31, 2004 11:25 PM

Thank you so much Sally for another one of your wonderful articles. Clarke breaking his silence appears to be welcome news indeed for us all. Not sure what you mean by Clarke's duty to GW (chiron/south node)- is it that Clarke has the ability to save GW from himself?

Posted by: Jeanie on March 31, 2004 11:41 PM

No Jeanie, to save the rest of the world from GWB. George can himself be saved in the process, but as I said Clarke is absolutely one of the messengers from the Gods (poetically) that this crap has to stop. There will be others beside Clarke and Clarke has some additional information that he will release when and if that need arises.

Posted by: Sally on March 31, 2004 11:48 PM

I am speechless. I have no words to describe your talent, Sally. I visit alot of astrology sites, read astrology authors voraciously, but YOU are amazing. Morgana & Nancy, too. Your ability to read & weave all the elements together is astounding. I would apologize if I sound over the top, but it is absolutely sincere. No one I've seen does it better than ya'll on this site. The kicker for me is your analysis of the soul chart. Thank you for sharing it with us, and would you please tell me how I can get you to do my chart? I would also like to donate to the site to keep it running, if that's possible?

Posted by: Peg on March 31, 2004 11:53 PM

Shylurker,
Thanks so much for the link on papers left at Starbucks... if you want to see the actual notes themselves, go here:

http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/{E9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03}/01pp.pdf

THANK YOU! I bet you've been dancing for sure, first Sally's wonderful analysis and then this!

Posted by: Jo on March 31, 2004 11:56 PM

ABSOLUTELY HUGE SIGH OF ECASTY!

Wow

Wonderous

Awesome

Fabulous

Beautiful

Hooray!

OMG

The mists envelope my heart and soothe my soul.

Thank you oh great spirit.

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 12:01 AM

Thanks for your clarification Sally. Keep shining those lights into all those pesky dark holes in washington exposing the lies and bringing forth honesty and truth!

Posted by: Jeanie on April 1, 2004 12:14 AM

Well this just made my day (or year!) I felt the excitement in Sally's words and it was like music to my ears. Thank you so very very much for sharing this with us.

Everyday I visit this site and it never ceases to amaze me. Absolutely brilliant. I just knew Clarke was up-and-up. The Bushies are still trying hard to destroy his credibility.

Thank you Sally!!

Posted by: Laurie on April 1, 2004 12:17 AM

Oh Sally, I just noticed you said 10.20.1950 for his birthdate instead of 10.30.1950. You are definitely using the correct chart in your summation so it's just a typo that you can correct.

Love, the Virgo - lol

Posted by: Laurie on April 1, 2004 12:22 AM

Sally: Thank you for your excellent insights. Could you explain more about George Bush being
"saved"? I think he is a criminal and should not be saved from the consequences of his misdeeds. Perhaps you mean something completely different.

Wonderful articles, posters, and links are very much appreciated.

Posted by: Beverly on April 1, 2004 12:57 AM

Dance of joy! Wow, I went a way for a week and returned to the MOTHERLODE of great articles. I just told a friend today to stock up on champagne, because there will be a shortage in November!! My deepest, heartfelt thanks to you and all the astrologers who have nursed me through this nightmare, and a big, sloppy Cancer/Pisces kiss to everyone!

YEEEHAW!!!

Posted by: Lucy on April 1, 2004 01:00 AM

http://thealligatorsalley.com/Flash/Sonata%20II.htm

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 01:04 AM

Sally,
Mr. Roberts is an amazing article! Your astrological abilities and your descriptive writing talent are tremendous!
The attack on Clarke, and the media, "yadda, yadda, yadda, was beginning to get to me, in spite of my faith in a positive outcome beyond all this agony.
I have been teaching art for many years, ( privately in my studio, not within the restrictions of a formal school,) and have observed in the last decade, the Indigo children...............
Pluto in Scorpio 1984 -1995. The oldest are now 20 (many of them Deaniacs I'm sure!) They are brilliently creative, sure of their mission in this life, and very comfortable in the right brain. Among their missions on earth is a creative Renaissance.
www.indigochild.com

What is an indigo Child?

As a summary, here are the ten attributes that best describe this new kind of child, the Indigo Child ( named by those who predicted it).

* They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it)
* They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
* Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
* They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
* They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
* They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
* They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
* They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind. If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.
* They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
* They are not shy in letting you know what they need.

You can read more fully the description of these children in a summary
published on the Internet at [www.kryon.com/k_37.html].

A couple of articles back somebody posted the method for bringing in a link......after I finish my artpieces for a showing on the 15th, I will backtrack find it and try to make it work!
Pat QOP

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 01:20 AM

"It’s been said that Richard Clarke will bring down someone with his revelations. Already on the web people are wondering if it will be Dr. Rice, the neo-cons, Powell, Cheney, no this arrow has been aimed directly at the heart of this administration and the arrow didn’t miss its mark."

I just heard tweety interrogate Clarke on Hardball, and it seems quite clear that * is the target. He seems fairly positive about his former boss Dr. Rice. Implied that Cheney & Co ran the show and that * thought he was doing the right thing.

Excellent article, Sally. This site is HOT! Don't need another site anymore.

Posted by: Laura on April 1, 2004 01:37 AM

Pat QOP,

http:// and then the link. You can copy the link and then paste it here and it will work. It's best if you copy it from the bar at the top of the page because it has all the necessary code.

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 01:40 AM

Josh Marshall comments on Wash Post editorial today on Rice testifying and failure to mention deal with Bush and Cheney in joint appearance

http://talkingpointsmemo.com

[well, hey, Hoody Doody can't talk without Cheney pulling his strings, right!]

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 01:59 AM

Nancy,

Great article. I can't wait to see how all of this plays out.

Came across this article on ABCNews.com (I don't know how to post a working link). Was wondering what everyone thinks.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/US/gopcomplaint_040331-1.html

Posted by: Teresa on April 1, 2004 02:33 AM

Sally, you are awesome! Astroworld is awesome! The astrologers who contribute to this site are awesome!

And Sally, you are one powerful writer. What a gift.

Posted by: Janet on April 1, 2004 02:45 AM

Sally, wonderful analysis. I've been holding my breath to see Clarke's birth data. Interestingly, I emailed the woman who got RAC's birth time, and asked her if there wasn't info on Condoleezza's time of birth and what an interesting comparison their charts would be. She answered that 'unfortunately there wasn't any info on time of birth of CR', but wasn't she a 'good Scorpio.' I found that odd, and emailed back that I didn't find that I found CR a 'good Scorpio' - or anything else particularly 'good' either.'

I guess I don't understand that birth time data can be unknown in modern times. I mean, what? is she some sort of Damian(e)??? Clarke's time of birth was not known either, but was recoverable (within a few days), so why not CR's???????

I know she was born in Alabama, but they're not THAT backward. Come on, she's younger than Clarke and ME for GS!. Why doesn't anyone have her time of birth. This is reallly important, and will make a tremendous difference in comparing charts.

I checked out Chris Matthews tonight, and was surprised at his respect - deference- to Clarke. He'll fang him tomorrow, no doubt - but it was interesting to watch this interchange.

Clarke is telling the truth. I think everyone who hears and sees him knows this. I believe he will prevail - but I hope he is early enough to make a difference.

My point about Condoleezza Rice is that they're both Scorpios - I'd just like to see which Master they're individually serving.

Posted by: susan on April 1, 2004 03:42 AM

see, I said I'd apologize, but too many others agree that YOU are wonderfully, incredibly gifted:) We love ya.

Posted by: Peg on April 1, 2004 03:47 AM

Laurie, thank you dear Virgo for seeing my typo on clarke's birthday, you were right I used the right date on my analysis and wrote the wrong date in the article. Thank you so much. I would feel awful if some astrologer trying to find the date found this and made a mistake.

Someone asked about Dr. Rice's birthtime, I have 11:30am. Not "Lois Rodden" verified but verified by a friend of Dr. Rice (however that isn't that good of a source) Since it's just 30 minutes from the general Noon chart I use the 11:30 am.

Posted by: Sally on April 1, 2004 04:33 AM

Sally,

What is the deep space shield? Is it a group of stars or black holes? Please explain. It sounds like something cool.

Posted by: Dave on April 1, 2004 05:22 AM

Dave, the "Deep Space Shield" is what Nasa has been trying to create for our astronauts when they are in Deep Space because of the problem they have with experiencing an alternate reality once they pass a certain point in the Cosmos. For astronauts it's almost like an LSD experience.

For people who have planets on this point (be they natal, pre-natal or draconic planets are far-seeing with a desire to use their information for the betterment of humanity, they have a latent ability to manipulate matter with their mind if they so choose or could understand the gift.

Posted by: Sally on April 1, 2004 07:14 AM

Hi, I found you via a good friend Jo, on GUT. This is a great article, and one that is most revealing. It's nice to see an in depth evaluation not from the outward apperance, but the inward. Thanks again for a great thought-provoking article. And thanks to you Joanna, if you see this, for as always being a spirtual mentor to me.

Posted by: jamsmitty on April 1, 2004 07:27 AM

Many in this country complain of the support the media gave to disinformation in the runup to the war. Recently a reporter in Fredricksburg, VA wrote an article expressing an apology for that. [http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000475275]
Nice of him, huh. Well he was bombarded with negative email! Not because the majority don't appreciate his apology but because generally people only take the time to say something when it is negative. Clarke is experiencing this at the moment. It's not enough for us to simply seek support and affirmation for how we are feeling... if we are to regain our democracy, salvage our republic, we must support and affirm those brave souls who do speak out... Rick Mercier's editor can be reached at gmitchell@editorandpublisher.com Start pounding the keys and sending those emails... we must also criticize those journalists who are constantly editorializing (we know who they are). The Moon is waxing...

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 12:50 PM

What a great idea Jo. I'll also send this out to some friends.

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 01:03 PM

http://www.buzzflash.com/buzzscripts/buzz.dll/content

If Kerry Wins, Bush And His Advisors Know That They Are Vulnerable To Potential Prison Terms

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 01:04 PM

Pat,
Thanks so much for the link above... EVERYBODY, I highly recommend you check out link in Pat's post...

On the subject of being heard, I also am emailing Thomas Kean this a.m. to express my opposition to the 'deal he/they made' with the WH for Condi's "testimony" --- if you've been following this, you know that she can't be recalled if there is found a discrepency in her statements, nor can anyone else be called to testify... email address for the Commission's Washington office (where they request all email be directed) is info@9-11Commission.gov

Namaste, Peace and Light

Not only is the Moon waxing, but Pluto's station Rx is finished and Mercury goes Rx next week...

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 01:43 PM

Jo, you are welcome. :)

Here is a link to Clarke on Hardball on MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4639380/

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 02:08 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/31/business/31irs.html

I.R.S. Request for More Terrorism Investigators Is Denied

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 02:22 PM

From Salon - subscription

Washington Animal House
While the frat-boy-in-chief cracked wise about missing WMD, the Washington press corps guffawed like fawning pledges -- but the joke's on them.

Within hours of former counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke's testimony before the 9/11 commission, where he discussed how resources spent on the Iraq war undermined the war on terrorism, President Bush acknowledged that his rationale for the war -- Saddam Hussein's presumed possession of weapons of mass destruction -- remained absent. Bush's admission took the form of a comic monologue before about 1,000 black-tied members of the Radio and TV Correspondents Association gathered for its annual dinner. The lights dimmed and Bush presented a slide show of photographs of himself peering out of windows and looking under furniture in the Oval Office. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere ... nope, no weapons over there ... maybe under here?"


With each gag line the press corps roared. Bush was acting as the college fraternity house president that he once was, and the journalists performing as pledges eager for acceptance by the Big Man on Campus. "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things," Bush told Bob Woodward in "Bush at War." "That's the interesting thing about being president."

Through its laughter the press corps didn't seem to grasp that the joke was on them. The problem is not that Bush's jest was inappropriate and tasteless -- the widow of David Bloom, the NBC reporter who died in Iraq, had tearfully preceded Bush on the platform. It is not that much of the media, including elements of the quality press, had been complicit in the carefully choreographed disinformation campaign in the rush to war stage-managed by Ahmad Chalabi and the Bush administration. Rather, it is that the press is accepting of Bush's radical undermining of the long-established arrangements of Washington, including the demotion of the press's own role, by breaking the off-the-record rule in order to have a weapon to use against Clarke.

The new rules of the game are that there are no rules of the game. In the preface of his book, "Against All Enemies," Clarke wrote that he expected an assault on his reputation from the "Bush White House leadership," who were "adept at revenge." Clarke had observed the politics of intimidation become standard operating procedure. Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, who, at the administration's behest, looked into the claim that Saddam was seeking uranium in Niger and concluded it was bogus, was subjected to a sustained attack that included outing the identity of his wife, a covert CIA operative, a federal felony now under investigation by a special prosecutor. Former Secretary of the Treasury Paul O'Neill had revealed that an invasion of Iraq was being pushed from the earliest days of the administration, and instantly he became the target for personal vituperation. Richard S. Foster, the chief actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, was threatened that if he told the Congress the actual cost of Bush's Medicare bill while it was being considered he would be fired. So Clarke knew the new rules.

Throughout the long day that ended with the president's WMD joke, the White House directed strikes on Clarke's integrity. It declassified an off-the-record background briefing Clarke gave in 2002, when he had been ordered to put a "positive spin," as he put it, on Bush's pre-9/11 terrorism record in response to a critical report in Time magazine. The White House press secretary read portions of the briefing aloud and out of context. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, whose neglect of terrorism was among Clarke's revelations, summoned reporters to her office to point to the background briefing and call his story "scurrilous." While she was putting a stiletto into Clarke, the background briefing paper was shuffled by her press office to Fox News to broadcast as Clarke was testifying. Republican members of the 9/11 commission waved the paper at him, and much time was consumed by his explanation of how as a staffer he was acting properly, like a lawyer representing a client, and why his briefing was not at odds with his information now.

This selective declassification shattered the implicit agreement that permits officials to interpret to journalists with some candor. Clarke's scourging was a signal to professionals in government of what will happen if they ever in the future contradict the Bush line. Those who dare are treated as enemies of the state, as Clarke predicted he would be. Clarke's account of the failures of policymaking reflects his sense of duty. The breakdown in the credibility of Bush's presidency time and again has been defended by smear campaigns. But the press has reacted as though this event does not involve its status and craft. Not one news organization considered trying to uphold the old rule by threatening to reveal Bush administration officials who gave background briefings unless the White House repudiated its act against the accepted convention that makes informed journalism possible.

The Clarke episode is symptomatic of a systematic abuse of power. Reality is raw and dangerous -- better to laugh along.

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 02:36 PM

Sally,
I'm re-reading and re-reading your very meaty article... black holes are a new topic astrologically for me... I've read Alex's comments on Day J which are really a sampling only, and even if I had the book, I don't have the expertise you do... you give the degree location in Sagit above and you speak of the eclipse and Tmars location on Apr 19th conj Bush's Uranus... if Condi testifies next week, is there a possibility Bush and Cheney could be doing so before the 19th...? and some of what's going on on the 19th be a result of the unearthing of information, or how might these black hole energies play into this...? Or am I pre-empting another article to come soon? Guess this Gemini just has to learn patience, right?

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 02:50 PM

Don't know the source, so, "for what it's worth":
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2004/010404newfootprints.htm

Posted by: shylurker on April 1, 2004 03:07 PM

I didn't mean to indicate the eclipse was on 19 Sag. this eclipse is on 29 Aries (a critical degree)However leading into an eclipse is always so critical around the world. Look what's happening in Iraq the last few days. Lots of pressure and energy building up and a full moon beside. That said, yes I do think it's possible they will testify before the 19th, at least Dr. Rice will testify before that.

We always look for the "big" moment that GB will be gone, but it's not going to be a "big" moment, it's more like the foundation keep eroding and then one day in shock and surpise, a rain storm comes along and washes it away. Who knew it was so weak. It will be that way for this administration. That's why I don't worry about the elections and who wins, because "this house" is being washed away. We can enjoy the show.

Watch for information leaking out in a steady stream over the next three weeks. One of Denver's talk show hosts, hard core conservative hawks said today "we were wrong."

Posted by: Sally on April 1, 2004 03:12 PM

Thanks Sally... for giving me a clearer perspective and for the news on the talk show host...

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 03:15 PM

Oh I forgot Jo, I am not that familiar with black holes myself, no one is really in terms of watching their impact on the human race. Alex has does the most work on them and the astrologers who know of them, like me, and several others, watch and follow to see the impact. They are simply a huge concentration of energy for the person. The largest is 1 degree Libra. My Neptune is there and a whole generation has Neptune at 0 or 1 degree Libra, so I watch to see the impact when a planet such as Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto hits a black hole because those planets hang around the same degree for so long. With Pluto at 18/19/20 Sag for so long, it's bound to be an extremely powerful period.

Posted by: Sally on April 1, 2004 03:30 PM

Sally, thanks... my nMoon is 0 degrees Libra 19!

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 03:40 PM

Excellent commentary by prestigious journalist Robert Fisk

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/31/1616230
Wednesday, March 31st, 2004
Robert Fisk: "Most Of The People Dying In Iraq Are Iraqis"

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 03:41 PM

http://slate.msn.com/?id=1006380
"Ralph the Leninist"

Ralf wanted Bush to win then and he wants him to win now.


But back to Clarke

http://slate.msn.com/id/2097681/
Fatal in Difference
Bush's catastrophic allergy to Clinton

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 05:13 PM

Guaranteed to FOFL:

Charlie McCarthy Hearings
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: April 1, 2004

Following is the text of a letter sent yesterday to Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton of the Sept. 11 commission from Alberto R. Gonzales, counsel to President Bush.

While we continue to hold to the principles underlying the Constitutional separation of powers, that the appropriate and patriotic action for the Commission is to shut down and stop pestering us, the President is prepared, in the interest of comity and popularity, to testify, subject to the conditions set forth below.

The President at all times, even on trips to the men's room, will be accompanied by the Vice President.

The Commission must agree in writing that it will not pose any questions directly to the President. Mr. Bush's statements will be restricted to asides on Dick Cheney's brushoffs, as in "Just like he said," "Roger that" and "Ditto."

More... http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/01/opinion/01DOWD.html

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 05:18 PM

Oh she's good!

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 05:25 PM


.....another view...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4892845-103677,00.html

Posted by: wv on April 1, 2004 05:32 PM

Pat,
The headline on the Slate piece you linked above, "Fatal in Difference" speaks to the difference bet Bush and Clinton Admin approach to problems but when I first saw it, I thought (my Virgo Rising!) they had misspelled "indifference"... after reading the article, I've concluded it really sends two messages... one as Slate typed it, and two "Fatal Indifference" as the apparent indifference to the problem of Al-Qida pre 9-11 proved to be for victims of 9-11...

Namaste

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 05:44 PM

Made a note from Alex's article on Daykeeper that the Black Holes at 18/19/20 Sag conjunct Pluto meant a regime change. You can say that again.

Posted by: bhakti on April 1, 2004 05:46 PM

If only the screen media cold find their zen and get honest, we'd be done with these "people".

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 05:57 PM

http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2004/03/26_generals_admirals_postponement.htm

49 Generals and Admirals Call for Missile Defense Postponement
March 26, 2004

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Letter signed by all 49!

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 06:02 PM

This is one of the best sites on the web for alternative opinions...and Brand one of the better
writers. They have great archives of past articles, and is worthy of a spot on your bookmarks.

http://www.yellowtimes.org/print.php?sid=1831

Posted by: wv on April 1, 2004 06:08 PM

I-LOVE-THIS-SITE.

Sally, you are rockin' and rollin' as usual.

Thanks~!

~D

Posted by: Dommael on April 1, 2004 07:10 PM

To anyone who is interested in inside perspective on Pentagon, Neo-conservatives look at former Pentagon Staffer Karen Kwiatkowski's interviews,
opinion pieces, etc. All are listed on the website LewRockwell.com. Also excellent half hour interview with Saul Landau on 2/4/04 at PolyTech University in California. She has written a very positive essay about Richard Clarke just recently.
She is a conservative Retired Airforce and Pentagon Staffer who is really speaking out against the Bush Administration. She left last year.
I am listing this because I would like to get your opinions. She appears to me to be another brave soul trying to get the truth out. Could I interest anyone in a little discussion on her? I personally am amazed at what she is saying. You won't be bored with it at all.

Posted by: Beverly on April 1, 2004 07:20 PM

I was having a tattoo worked on last night and got into a conversation with some folks who normally don't pay much attention to politics.

Being a member of Smirking Chimp (I consider you guys a private conversation if you know what I mean) I was able to keep the flow of conversation moving as well as horrify everyone with updates on the state of our government. It's always interesting to gauge how informed non-political junkies are. You can sometimes get an idea of how the spin cycle is washing. Here are the results of my undercover field research:

1.) The owner of the tattoo shop knew Bu$h's grandfather was a Nazi war profiteer. She noted that he was involved with importing methadone (?) I'd never heard that. So as evident as Bu$h's ties to fascism are now, the longstanding links are also floating around on the surface of the American psyche.

2.) A young girl of about 18 getting two doves with cherries in their mouths on her back suggested that political office should be mandatory like jury duty (to get rid of career politicians.) She was probably the least informed of all of us on the political scene. So, that shows that while the youth vote feel like politicians don't represent them (as always) they are open to the idea that the government and citizenry have responsibilities to each other. I took this as a positive sign.

3.) A mother in about her mid 40s was getting a tattoo of Winnie the Pooh smoking a bong covered up with an Egyptian Scarab (rock ON!!!) She brought up the gay marriage thing. Again, these are NOT political junkies folks - these are about the furthest you can get from being one. She thought it was VERY hypocritical for Bu$h and the republicans to do that since so many of them have a history of divorce and extra-marital affairs. So I would take that to mean that the cheap gay marriage wedge issue is saturating the consciousness of the population as exactly that. The girl with the doves also suggested that Republicans are lacking certain anatomical parts which motivates them to investigate everyone else's bedroom activities.

4.) Another tattoo artist suggested that Osama Bin Laden has already been caught and will be produced before the election to influence the public. EVERYONE confirmed that Saddam Hussein was exactly that same scenario. Every time Bu$h's popularity goes down, some big media event happens. It's obvious to the whole population. Bu$h and Rove are not fooling anyone at ALL.

5.) Everyone agreed that the best course of action would probably be for the country at large to make a non-violent stand together. I would call this the I-am-Spartacus method. It was suggested that people stop paying their income tax in protest. Not a bad idea I think. Cut the purse strings and force Washington D.C. to deal with real people.

More food for thought.

~D

Posted by: Dommael on April 1, 2004 07:27 PM

Beverly,
I too admire the General... she is intelligent, savvy and right on target... I have been following her articles on Antiwar.com, which you might find interesting... Namaste

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 07:42 PM

Dommael, your post is heartening! In my heart I know that the majority of the people can see right thru Dubya... that's why the polls don't really bother me, esp. when the questions asked already have a bias... one today on CNN... "Does the recent violence in Iraq indicate that rebuilding is not possible?" I had to call 'em on that one! Again, your post rocks!

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 07:47 PM

Oh my gawd! That link to notes left at Starbucks is hysterical!

Seems to me the most likely explanation is that it was leaked by someone on the inside. Or perhaps it is plausible that it was "accidentally" left behind, "accidentally" found by a Starbucks employee and oh-mah-gawd how "conveniently" forwarded to the Center for American Progress. Yeah, right.

Gotta remember that the majority of the people INSIDE the beltway that aren't happy with the Bu$h cabal are, yep, beurocratic paper-pushers. They aren't going to openly rebel. They are going to lose files, leak files, hold stuff up and push stuff forward. If the beurocracy turns on Bu$h, nothing in the world will save him!

Posted by: Dommael on April 1, 2004 08:08 PM


.....more good stuff....


http://www.democratictalkradio.com/demvoices-04-bush-admin-911.html

Posted by: wv on April 1, 2004 08:09 PM

But wait! Bush says small businesses hold up the American economy. How can this happen?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3929012,00.html

Has this been on CNN yet?

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 08:16 PM

Thanks Jo! I'm not an astrologer (can you tell?) I'm actually creating a deck of Tarot cards ~ I've been working on it for three years now ~ OH MAH GAWD the weird paths it has led me on. So anyway, my finger is not on the pulse of the heavens necessarily but rather on the archetypal undercurrents threading through the mass consciousness. That's how I see it anyway!

~D

Posted by: Dommael on April 1, 2004 08:38 PM

Rice to Address 9/11 Panel on April 8
50 minutes ago
By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) will go before the federal panel reviewing the Sept. 11 attacks next Thursday.


State: Al-Qaida Capabilities Low in U.S.

Rice will testify under oath for about 2 1/2 hours, with much of the questioning expected to focus on what outgoing Clinton officials told her about the al-Qaida threat and her response afterward.

Posted by: Morgana on April 1, 2004 09:04 PM

Heard about this on Air America

http://www.beholder.com/index_fl.htm

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 09:04 PM

Url on Condi testifying:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=3&u=/ap/20040401/ap_on_go_pr_wh/sept_11_commission

Posted by: Morgana on April 1, 2004 09:05 PM

I respect you guys so much I have to tell you about the dream I had last night. Besides, I think it's a metaphor for what we Wiccans/Pagans/Astrologers are doing to aid this country. And you guys might enjoy dissecting the symbolism. Dreams are always fun to hear.

I was riding in the Dodge Caravan my parents used to own. My tattoo artist was driving and I was in the passenger seat. We were driving into this little town in the middle of the night, it was dark and deserted with just a few orange streetlights for illumination. We were parked with the engine running at an intersection with a big, white, two story+ house, a gas station and a bunch of power lines running overhead. This guy dressed in overalls or denim jeans and a baseball hat walked by the car toward the gas station. He was just staring straight ahead and shuffling like a zombie. We both knew that weird things had been happening in the town.

Suddenly, a helicopter came out of the sky and crashed between the house and the power lines. I was in stark raving terror because I was sure the blades would tear the power lines apart and the situation would turn deadly and we'd have to stay in the car. But, the helicopter managed to crash without too much damage and the power lines stayed intact and the passengers got out.

We all went inside the house and found out that very weird things had been happening in the town for a while. My cat was there in the house hiding under the furniture. The owner of the house/passengers in the helicopter said they were going to perform an exorcism-type thing like out of Poltergeist and I should contribute to it.

So the place clears out except for me and four other people. I'm the fifth link like five points on a star. I apparently represent the grounding earth element. All of the Tarot work I do gives my mind enough strength to withstand the huge forces at play in what we're about to do. I'm confident I can handle what's coming. It's scary and unknown but I've got enough experience and with the other four I know I can handle myself and support the rest.

You know how when you do a ritual you are creating an in-between space? Inside the circle (or sphere) is a middle zone between the reality we normally inhabit and the otherworld? The five of us in my dream created together an in-between space that extended to the horizon.

The effect was instantaneous, like a double layer of realities. The air seemed to be vibrating around me and I could see through the walls of the house. The air seemed thicker, like it was charged with electricity. I could sense invisible presences. LOTS of them. It was freaky, but I was drawing strength from the five and wasn't scared. It was the same as what I'd experienced before, only stronger, more encompassing and more intense.

My right arm that I got tattooed last night is a reference to my Tarot cards and it started to rise in the air like it was being pulled by a string. That's when I knew the link between me, paganism, the world and the archetypal gods were all in harmony. We would be able to manipulate reality in the in-between world to clear the house in "normal" reality.

So the dream ended when I asked where my cat was in the house. That's when I woke up.

Weird, huh?

Posted by: Dommael on April 1, 2004 09:07 PM

Indigo children - "I want you to give me an identy because I deserve one."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/04/01/MNG325UO561.DTL

Canadian mystery linked to Bay Area
Young brothers found living in woods -- Mounties seek clues

This is such a sad hopeful story. The charts of these brothers would be very interesting.

I offer them my prayers.

Posted by: on April 1, 2004 09:33 PM

Thanks for sharing your dream Dommael. If I were taking a stab at interpreting it, I would say:

You feel like the world around you is out of whack. You're drawing on your own resources to return it to some level of normality ( i.e. you recognize your own power and ability ) this is later reinforced in the dream with your arm/tattoo. You see some of your strengths reside in opening doorways for others by "pointing" out the way.

In summary, keep talking to strangers :)

On your cat, depends on how you perceive her/him in RL.

Posted by: on April 1, 2004 09:46 PM

Could someone explain to me the importance of doing x, y and z during a Waxing Moon? I suspect it's Astrology Basics 101, but ... well, I don't know what it means! Thanks.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on April 1, 2004 09:47 PM

Several sources today release info/story that Condi Rice was scheduled to make a speech on 9/11/2001 and its content. Some of the blogsters believe the drop in Dubya's ratings gave them permission to start acting like journalists and they believe other stories are to come... that Clarke brought his six-guns into testify and some of friends are totin' (that's their vernacular, not mine!) http://talkingpointsmemo.com is first place I saw it... here are some of Josh Marshall's comments on it (the rest can be seen at his link...)
-----------------------

...Now in a front page piece in Thursday's Washington Post we learn that on September 11th, 2001 Condi Rice was scheduled to deliver a major foreign policy address on missile defense as the centerpiece of a new strategy to combat "the threats and problems of today and the day after, not the world of yesterday."

Then reality intruded.

As the Post explains, the speech contained little real discussion of terrorism. The only mentions were swipes at the Clinton administration's supposed over-emphasis on transnational terrorism at the expense of more important priorities like missile defense.

Perhaps it goes without saying, but let's say it: It was as obvious four years ago as it is today that the most potent threats to America are asymmetric threats, particularly forms of attack that cannot easily be tied back to particular states which we can punish with our conventional military superiority.

In plainer speech, the biggest threats we face today are ones that don't come with a return address.

An ICBM, which has a launch point that can be determined down to the yard and requires a vast apparatus to get off the ground, really doesn't fit into that category.

In any case, this is just another example that they simply failed to understand where the real threat was coming from.

That in itself is forgivable. The problem is that they tried to shoehorn 9/11 into their existing paradigm rather than rethink that flawed analysis.

-- Josh Marshall

[Washington Post article on "found story" can be found:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40697-2004Mar31?language=printer]
-------------

Amazing what Pluto is digging up! Namaste

Posted by: on April 1, 2004 09:49 PM

Sorry, I didn't sign my post on Josh Marshall above...

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 09:50 PM

I forgot to sighn the Indigo children post a few posts up.

Posted by: Pat on April 1, 2004 09:52 PM

It just keeps pouring in...another must read...

http://www.rense.com/general50/honest.htm

again I ask, where's the outrage, except on these
pages...the country and press are asleep. I forward all of these articles to my Congressman
and Senators....but I stand by the story I posted
a couple of months ago...they don't give a damn.
Never vote for an incumbent!

Posted by: wv on April 1, 2004 09:59 PM

Jonathan,
Some believe our deeds have more power during the waxing of and the fullness of the moon, with that power diminishing with the waning of the moon... there are several others on this board that can explain it better than I, but this is my offering.

-------------------
Condi Rice is testifying on Apr 8th and the sabian symbol for that date

*** ARIES 20 ***
A YOUNG GIRL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER.

Someone is in need of help, someone who may even be the cause of their own problems. There are those that stubbornly resist moving on or changing their habits, even if it is to their detriment. Non-judgemental innocence can move you to help and lead others to trust. Nurturing innocence. Feeding energy to situations that feel cold, hopeless and lost. Small efforts bringing their own rewards. If negative - trying to win approval. Creating a reliance that has to be maintained.
http://miva.zodiacal.com/oracle.mv


Namaste

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 10:13 PM

Thursday, April 1st, 2004
Hotbed of Resistance: An Iraqi Discusses Fallujah Violence

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/01/1621223

Posted by: Jo on April 1, 2004 11:32 PM

(A excellent definition of civilization) "What is a civilization, rightly considered? Morally, it is the evil passions repressed, the level of conduct raised; spiritually, idols cast down, God enthroned; materially, bread and fair treatment for the greatest number. That is the common formula, the common definition; everybody accepts it and is satisfied with it.
Our civilization is wonderful, in certain spectacular and meretricious ways; wonderful in scientific marvels and inventive miracles; wonderful in material inflation, which it calls advancement, progress, and other pet names; wonderful in its spying-out of the deep secrets of Nature and its vanquishment of her stubborn laws; wonderful in its extraordinary financial and commerical achievements; wonderful in its hunger for money, and in its indifference as to how it is acquired; wonderful in the hitherto undreamed-of magnitude of its private fortunes and the prodigal fashion in which they are given away to institutions devoted to the public culture; wonderful in its exhibitions of poverty; wonderful in the surprises which it gets out of that great new birth, Organization, the latest and most potent creation and miracle-worker of the commercialized intellect, as applied in transportation systems, in manufactures, in systems of communication, in news-gathering, book-publishing, journalism; in protecting labor; in oppressing labor; in herding the national parties and keeping the sheep docile and usable; in closing the public service against brains and character; in electing purchasable legislatures, blatherskite Congresses, and city governments which rob the town and sell municipal protection to gamblers, thieves, prostitutes, and professional seducers for cash. It is a civilization which has destroyed the simplicity and repose of life; replaced its contentment, its poetry, its soft romance-dreams and visions with the money-fever, sordid ideals, vulgar ambitions, and the sleep which does not refresh; it has invented a thousand useless luxuries, and turned them into necessities; it has created a thousand vicious appetites and satisfies none of them; it has dethroned God and set up a shekel in His place."
- "Papers of the Adam Family" - MARK TWAIN

Posted by: jamsmitty on April 2, 2004 07:34 AM

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Posted by: Barbara on April 2, 2004 06:06 PM

Barbara, that was excellent and thank you for the reminder. And you are right, it does take time, a lot of time because you have to take time to find out who the good ones are, but it is absolutely necessary for our own survival.

Posted by: Sally on April 2, 2004 08:29 PM

First Fig by Edna St. Vincent Millay

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