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9/11 COMMISSION
Unless it’s squeezing my throat I can find some benefit to Saturn. It helps sets boundaries, introduces discipline and focus into projects, points up weaknesses and flaws in order to achieve future success. Saturn is also the Karmic Kop, revealing lots of things. Things like weight gain, teeth problems, aches and pains, the folly of being disorganized, the need for sleep, massage, and taking care of oneself – oh and where you’ve lied and been remiss, alllll your little and big mistakes. Saturn is such a joy, as everyone can attest. Our national heartbreak, the World Trade Center is marked by the first plane flying into the first of the twin towers on September 11, 2001 at 8:46 am New York, New York, the Commission to examine that tragedy began in earnest today, March 23, 2004, 10:00am, Washington, DC. If you are a student of Numerology both dates add up to a 14. That of course, reduces to a 5 but it’s the 14 that we want to look toward. The number 14 relates to the Tarot image of the Angel of Temperance, astrologically corresponding to Mercury, which on 9/11 was also at 14 Libra as was Saturn at another 14 degree in Gemini. Let me, in part, quote on the number 14 from the book “Numerology and the Divine Triangle” by Faith Javane and Dusty Bunker. The keyword corresponding to the Temperance card is Sustenance or establishment. You should establish the foundation of your belief system through proof or verification. The keywords ‘verification’ and ‘wrath’ show that the desire to find the truth surfaces from within, through ‘wrath’ (not temper, but strong and stern anger.) September 11, 2001, Saturn at 14 Gemini, Mercury at 14 Libra, the Ascendant at 14 Libra and today, March 23 Neptune at 14 Aquarius. A grand fire trine, an ease, a comfort with the information, a “protection” of the truth. And what did we see today in the interviews? Madeline Albright: ‘we did all we could under the Clinton administration, we left no stone unturned.’ Rumsfeld and Powell, ‘we didn’t have Iraq in mind when we took office, we took terrorism seriously, we took the al Qa’ida seriously.’ Not us, no, no it sure wasn’t us. Condelezza Rice wasn’t there, she won’t testify under oath. She says she doesn’t have to because she’s a cabinet member. Correct me if I am wrong but unless GWB is paying her out of his own pocket do WE pay her salary and aren’t these our elected representatives. Oh well, Condi was out ‘swearing’ that Richard Clarke was wrong in his book “Against All Enemies.” Course, I would like to point out to her that Richard Clarke is going to testify under oath tomorrow as his recollection of post and pre-9/11 events and she won’t, hmmmmmm, draw your own conclusions. Back to THE COMMISSION, through May and June Saturn is lumbering toward the magic 11/12/13 and 14 Cancer, just as THE COMMISSION will be giving their final report to the US and the families of the 9/11 Victims. Whatever the report says spells bad news for the Republicans and Bush. First of all between now and then there will be more coals heaped upon Bush and he will be scrambling to keep himself from being burned and the American people are not going to be happy with their leaders. If the report whitewashes this administration, no one will believe them, if it places blame on this administration Bush and the Republicans will have a hard time coming back from that. Don’t look for Mr. Bush to be pitched out on this aspect, not right away, maybe not at all Saturn has a delayed action. What you can look for is the credibility of this administration to be basically gone. Before this is spring is over, it will be pointed out to the American people how the slamming by the Republican Party tied the hands and the money for attacks on terrorism by the Clinton administration. I think at least a part of the Republican Party will finally feel some shame. Get some popcorn and peanuts, kick back and watch it all unfold.
Sally Cheyne McDonald on Mar 24 | Link
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Wonderful, succinct, powerful article. Many thanks! Posted by: shylurker on March 24, 2004 01:46 AMHopefully this administration rides all the way down the Styx for Pluto's judgment as well. Great article, Sally. farrout Posted by: farrout on March 24, 2004 02:29 AMSally, much thanks for your time and talent. Popcorn and peanuts are at the ready. Posted by: Janet on March 24, 2004 02:42 AMHammer, nail, head! Thanks so much Sally! All of life has improved since I've found this wonderful astrological site. Here's some more good stuff. http://www.nationinstitute.org/tomdispatch/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1330 Fathers and sons Quote of the day: As Richard Clark, former White House counterterrorism "tsar," tells it in his new book Against All Enemies, on September 12, 2001, he returned to the White House to find Iraq, not al-Qaeda, the subject of the day: "I realized with almost a sharp physical pain that [Defense Secretary Donald H.] Rumsfeld and [Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul] Wolfowitz were going to try to take advantage of this national tragedy to promote their agenda about Iraq… "It was as if Osama bin Laden, hidden in some high mountain redoubt, were engaging in long-range mind control of George Bush, chanting 'invade Iraq, you must invade Iraq.' " (From Barton Gellman, the Washington Post) Fathers and sons: Millions of dollars have already fled the Bush campaign treasury chest (though perhaps some image like a horn of plenty might better capture its capacious nature) in a fierce attempt to "define" Senator Kerry as a flip-flopping, nogoodnik, no-defense wuss. And yet strangely, it seems the President's the one in the process of being redefined, and it's clearly driving the White House nuts. Only recently the presidential spokesman claimed George was such a desperately busy man that he had, at best, an hour -- no more -- to spare in which selected members of the 9/11 commission could privately ask him questions. Now, it turns out that this administration has so much time on its hands that it can be emptied out en masse onto the airwaves to try to slice-and-dice former counterterrorism "tsar" Richard Clark, the insider's insider, for his new kiss-and-tell book on the administration and 9/11. From the vice-president on down, it seems that just about everyone in this administration took time off from their "war on terrorism" and its "central front" in Iraq (talk about making your own fantasies come true!) to launch something like a full-scale national anti-book tour. Can there be any greater evidence that Clark's appearance on Sixty Minutes Sunday night staggered the "war president"? It was a dismantling the likes of which this White House had never experienced and they were on the attack so fast that they beat Clark to the airwaves, appearing on the Sunday night news shows before he could even make it on camera. You couldn't be faster off the mark. In rebuttal on Sixty Minutes, Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley (and longtime Dick Cheney associate) actually had the temerity to suggest that Clark's meeting with George at which he claimed the president tried to intimidate him into linking September 11 to Saddam Hussein never took place -- only to be stunned when Leslie Stahl informed him that they had dug up another witness to the meeting. "HADLEY: We can not find evidence that this conversation between Mr. Clarke and the President ever occurred. "STAHL: Now can I interrupt you for one second. We have done our own work on that ourselves and we have two sources who tell us independently of Dick Clarke that there was this encounter. One of them was an actual witness. Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 02:53 AMVery nice, Sally. I think we all know this stuff intuitively, but it's nice to see it spelled out. It increasingly (as Nancy W has pointed out) is becoming apparent that 9/11 is this regime's Achilles heel, the linchpin that once removed will cause the entire structure to fall. And it would seem that Saturn's sojourn through Cancer, and its effect on the U.S. charts long with Bush's chart and other members of the regime's charts, is cranking up the pressure. As Crashcart McSneer might put it, "big time." Posted by: Robert Arctor on March 24, 2004 04:08 AMFrom DU ...about the Richard Clarke assertions that Bush signed a presidential directive to prepare plans for the invasion of Iraq.
MR. McCLELLAN: This is another example of his revisionist history. As we have said, the President made it very clear that his decision at Camp David was to -- this was in the immediate aftermath of the September 11th attacks -- was to go after the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan. And we also should keep in context that during this time period, Iraq continued to shoot daily at our pilots and remained a threat to the United States. Mr. Clarke even pointed out, himself, that Iraq was a serious threat. And he talked about Iraq's history in just -- in the recent past. I quoted you some of his remarks yesterday. Q But the presidential directive following the attacks of September 11th focused on counterterrorism and how the United States was going to, as you put it, eliminate al Qaeda -- MR. McCLELLAN: Remember, at the National Security Council meeting -- Q -- did that include -- did that include a directive to the Defense Department to prepare plans for the invasion of Iraq? MR. McCLELLAN: The invasion of Iraq -- the decision to go to war in Iraq, as you know, came at a much later time. But obviously, Iraq -- Q But he's making the charge that the President was already directing the Pentagon to prepare plans to invade Iraq. MR. McCLELLAN: Well, but, obviously -- and Mr. Clarke acknowledges, himself, in his recent past that Iraq was a threat. He met -- he sat down and met with Dr. Rice shortly after he left the White House, and nowhere did he raise a concern about the action that we were taking in Iraq. And that was right at the time period when we were confronting the threat posed by -- posed by the former regime. Q He's right that in October -- in October of 2001, when the President signed this directive, the President was directing the Pentagon to prepare plans for the invasion of Iraq? MR. McCLELLAN: That's why I said, that's part -- that's part of his revisionist history. Q That's not true? MR. McCLELLAN: That's part of his revisionist history, that's what I'm saying -- Q Are you saying it's not true? MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, that's right. I am. Q You are saying that it's not true? MR. McCLELLAN: That's part of -- that's just his revisionist history to make suggestions like that. He knows that at that point that our focus was on going -- was on Afghanistan and removing the Taliban and taking away the safe haven for al Qaeda. Q You are saying from that lectern that he did -- that the President did not sign an order to prepare to invade Iraq at that time? MR. McCLELLAN: No. Q Scott, I have two quick questions. One, if you can clarify for me -- MR. McCLELLAN: And, Bill, I would just point out to you -- hang on one second, Goyal -- we made everything publicly known in terms of the steps we were taking to confront the threat posed by Iraq. But Iraq was a threat, and because of the action that we took, we are helping to advance freedom and democracy in a very volatile region; we are making America more secure; and making the world a safer and better place. So it was -- you all covered all the steps taken up to the decision by Saddam Hussein to continue to defy the international community. Q -- an order was prepared to prepare plans to invade Iraq at that time. And you're saying that it was not. MR. McCLELLAN: As you're aware, when the President sat down in the immediate aftermath of the September 11th attacks, he directed his team to lead an effort to remove the Taliban from power and to deny al Qaeda a safe haven. That was the action we took at that time period. But during that time period, it's important to keep in mind that Iraq was a threat and Iraq was shooting at our planes. So, obviously, you are looking at those issues during that time period. Iraq has been a threat for quite some time. Q Did he then sign such an order? MR. McCLELLAN: I just addressed that question. Q You said no.
OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK now. Let's compare that performance to this:
U.S. Decision On Iraq Has Puzzling Past By Glenn Kessler On Sept. 17, 2001, six days after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush signed a 2½-page document marked "TOP SECRET" that outlined the plan for going to war in Afghanistan as part of a global campaign against terrorism. Almost as a footnote, the document also directed the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq, senior administration officials said. The previously undisclosed Iraq directive is characteristic of an internal decision-making process that has been obscured from public view. Over the next nine months, the administration would make Iraq the central focus of its war on terrorism without producing a rich paper trail or record of key meetings and events leading to a formal decision to act against President Saddam Hussein, according to a review of administration decision-making based on interviews with more than 20 participants. Instead, participants said, the decision to confront Hussein at this time emerged in an ad hoc fashion. Often, the process circumvented traditional policymaking channels as longtime advocates of ousting Hussein pushed Iraq to the top of the agenda by connecting their cause to the war on terrorism.
Claim vs. Fact: Administration Officials Respond to Richard Clarke Interview
More... Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 04:57 AMIs there a prize if you correctly identify the big fat liar? Posted by: shylurker on March 24, 2004 04:59 AMLink for the post above. :-# http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=39828 Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 04:59 AMshylurker, Jail? Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 05:00 AMGreat article ~ exciting times indeed! Posted by: Dommael on March 24, 2004 05:02 AMRight on Sally! Once again, the Universe shows its tendency to law and order - not just through the Saturn transits, but through numerology - all of the 14's. "The Divine Triangle" is the best book that I have read on the subject. They also say (under the "14 as a Temporary vibration" section), "Be aware that with number 14 there are risks involving the loss of property or business failure." An understatement in the case of 911! Saturn is very interesting in this case as well. When it reaches 14 Cancer, it will be squaring the 911 Mercury and Ascendant. I think this will bring out more information, especially about any US complicity in the event. The doodoo is going to hit the fan in June. On a personal note, I heartily agree with your statement about Saturn that it makes us aware of "Things like weight gain, teeth problems, aches and pains, the folly of being disorganized, the need for sleep, massage, and taking care of oneself...." Saturn is now trine my Scorpio Sun, and I have become very aware of all of these things. During the 29 years I have been practicing astrology (natal), I have found that transiting trines don't always bring the ease that they are reputed to. Saturn, especially, will still point out any areas where we need to improve. Perhaps though, just a little bit more gently. Posted by: Viki on March 24, 2004 05:15 AMSally, Tomorrow Clarke testifies... tomorrow's date adds to 15... [Devil (Matter, material actually) Trump in Tarot, relates to Darkness, Fear of things over which you have no control, sign of Capricorn ---Thursday Pluto goes retrograde at 22 degrees Sag 15 and will finish its station Friday, April 2nd (according to Swiss Ephemeris, another says 22 degrees 14). You mentioned in a previous article that Pluto is stationing at Messer21 and you quoted: Read WTC for 'Tower' --- Aesculapius was the Greek god of Medicine, who in their mythology morphed into the healer... there was a huge temple to him in time of Hippocrates... people went there to be cured, were treated by priests of the temple... at night with harmless serpents -- ergo the staff of Aesculapius became today's caduceus. Legend has it that Apollo (Saturn)had his centeur teach his son Aesculapius the art of healing... which he did thru 'touch' -- thus the touch of the serpents. Transiting Chiron was in Sag 9-11-2001... in US first house... today it is at 25 degrees Capricorn (ruled by Saturn) in US 2nd house moving toward conj with nPluto Rx at 27 degrees 33... Chiron goes Rx in May... You also mentioned in last couple of days something about Apr 2nd/3rd [when Pluto finishes station]--- I marked date in my calendar but I can't recall what you said about it... Anyway, today I look to divine/universal guidance (14) for tomorrow and Clarke's testimony --- hope he will remove the darkness (15) that hides the light about the twin towers (16). NAMASTE http://www.antiwar.com/justin/ Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 06:37 AMIs this where part of the $87 Billion is going??? 14 `enduring bases' set in Iraq
If you like Justin Raimondo at Antiwar.com, here's a chronology of articles he did on the "Israeli Art Students" flap... I do like him Jo. Thanks so much! Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 02:37 PMNational Parks Told to Cut Services Quietly Internal memo follows report claiming underfunding The public has become accustomed to easy access to National Park rangers and services, but budget constraints mean cutbacks this summer across the country WASHINGTON - National park superintendents are being told to cut back on services — possibly even closing smaller, historic sites a couple days a week or shutter visitor centers on federal holidays — without letting on they are making cuts. More.... Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 03:42 PMVERRY Interesting... ------------------------ This link was posted on last thread: http://www.rense.com/general50/covert.htm with the following statement: "When Israel sat stupid and silent after the assassination of its Prime Minister, it opened the portal to destruction." Israeli PM Yitzhah Rabin was shot by a Right-wing founder of an illegal Jewish settlement on the West Bank. Rabin was a man searching for Peace. His widow Reah Rabin expressed many times after his death her preference for Peres and her distrust of Peres' successor Right-winger Netanyahu. There were suggestions quickly labeled as "conspiracy theories" that Rabin's assassin was merely the instrument of a Right-wing attempt to oust him. [Sound familar? Oswald and Kennedy... 'lone gunman'?] http://www.mideastfacts.com/leah_terror.html By Jeffrey Heller JERUSALEM, Sept 11 (Reuter) - Yitzhak Rabin's widow said on Thursday Israelis were once irrepressible ``terrorists'' and they should realise Yasser Arafat had little chance of uprooting Palestinian ``terrorism.'' Speaking in bitter tones, Leah Rabin staked a clear claim to the legacy of the assassinated prime minister, striking an emotional chord the taciturn warrior-turned-peacemaker was never comfortable voicing. ``I have doubt about how much terrorism can be uprooted,'' Rabin told Israel Radio before meeting U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, on a mission to breathe life into Middle East peace talks battered by suicide attacks. ``We were also terrorists once and they didn't uproot us and we went on dealing in terrorist activities. Despite all the efforts of all of the British army in the land, we went on with terrorism,'' Rabin said. ----------
I have been watching as much of these hearings as I can. I wish we had some aggressive prosecutors on this commission. I keep feeling like I am banging my head against a wall. The Bushies just lie and lie or dance around things saying nothing. Powell said we talked about "terrorism" everyday. But that wasn't the terrorism Clarke was talking about. It was more like talking about the Taliban in Afghanistan or Al Qaida and the Taliban or al Qaida and Pakistan, etc. It was nothing to do with any domestic threat. I think the most powerful moment I have seen so far was when Tim Roemer this AM, told some of what was in the August 6 memo, which very clearly mentioned airplanes and a domestic threat. It belies everything the smarmy Tenet had said and most of what the lying Rumsfeld and Powell said yesterday. I feel shrouded in a sickly, nauseating substance made from the lies that are constantly coming at me from this administration. After a while, it is completely numbing. I pray Clarke's testimony will wipe away this disgusting murk. These people just infuriate me. Posted by: Nancy on March 24, 2004 03:50 PMSally - I loved your description of Neptune in the last article, and I love the one of Saturn in this one. These two are really doing a dance together, but by separting them you make the input of each very clear. Posted by: Nancy on March 24, 2004 03:53 PMNancy, OMG Nancy would that were true that Clarke's testimony could wipe out this slime, 'disgusting murk' creepy charade. It isn't the lies from this administration that is making me so crazy, it's the MIDIA who are spinning these lies. How can they, without vomiting, report some of this junk, or more to the point not report. It is so frustrating, I am struggling to understand what on earth has happened and why it isn't seen. I was listening to one of the members of the 9/11 families and thought how frustrating this must be for them. This guy barely had his anger under control, at least he got a little plug on the radio in our little market here, and he went over the questions the families want answered and gave out what information the families had gathered. Posted by: Sally on March 24, 2004 04:04 PM Nancy, Stay positive, we need you. Thank you bhakti! What you say is so true... I had an excruciating pain in back of my head and had to lie down and I visualized the light all about those who are trying to bring the truth out of the darkness today and for myself, to rid me of my fear... and WHAM! No more pain! We have to believe in our thoughts and our energy... we are powerful! http://crisispapers.org has several good articles today and a wonderful picture --- go see Peace and Light Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 04:13 PMAndrew Card was shown on CNN a while ago saying that if Clarke knew then he did no fulfill he resopnsibilities and should be held responsible. I am beginning to detect a threat there. Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 04:21 PMNotice, Pat, the Admin continues to say they knew nothing pre 911 of Al-Qaeda threat to WTC... they do not address the diminishment of Al-Qaeda threat by Clinton Admin and priority on Iraq... it's same ol' doublespeak... don't answer the question! (Rove) Stay on message... Bush" we had no advance notice of attack" Blah Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 04:29 PMJo, you'll apreciate this. http://www.macleans.ca/paulwells/archives/week_2004_03_21-2004_03_27.asp#000213 Who gave more thought to terrorism, Clinton or Bush? A Canadian blogger compares President Clinton's last State of the Union address with Bush's first. Here's what President Clinton said about terrorism in January 2000: A third challenge we have is to keep this inexorable march of technology from giving terrorists and potentially hostile nations the means to undermine our defenses. Keep in mind, the same technological advances that have shrunk cell phones to fit in the palms of our hands can also make weapons of terror easier to conceal and easier to use. We must meet this threat by making effective agreements to restrain nuclear and missile programs in North Korea; curbing the flow of lethal technology to Iran; preventing Iraq from threatening its neighbors; increasing our preparedness against chemical and biological attack; protecting our vital computer systems from hackers and criminals; and developing a system to defend against new missile threats -- while working to preserve our ABM missile treaty with Russia. We must do all these things. I predict to you, when most of us are long gone, but some time in the next 10 to 20 years, the major security threat this country will face will come from the enemies of the nation state: the narco-traffickers and the terrorists and the organized criminals, who will be organized together, working together, with increasing access to ever-more sophisticated chemical and biological weapons. ... I hope we can also have a constructive effort to meet the challenge that is presented to our planet by the huge gulf between rich and poor. We cannot accept a world in which part of humanity lives on the cutting edge of a new economy, and the rest live on the bare edge of survival. I think we have to do our part to change that -- with expanded trade, expanded aid, and the expansion of freedom. ... In a world where over a billion people live on less than a dollar a day, we also have got to do our part in the global endeavor to reduce the debts of the poorest countries, so they can invest in education, health care and economic growth. That's what the Pope and other religious leaders have urged us to do. And last year, Congress made a down payment on America's share. I ask you to continue that. I thank you for what you did, and ask you to stay the course. I also want to say that America must help more nations to break the bonds of disease. Last year in Africa, 10 times as many people died from AIDS as were killed in wars -- 10 times. The budget I give you invests $150 million more in the fight against this and other infectious killers. And today, I propose a tax credit to speed the development of vaccines for diseases like malaria, TB and AIDS. I ask the private sector and our partners around the world to join us in embracing this cause. We can save millions of lives together, and we ought to do it. I also want to mention our final challenge, which, as always, is the most important. I ask you to pass a national security budget that keeps our military the best-trained and best-equipped in the world, with heightened readiness and 21st century weapons; which raises salaries for our servicemen and women; which protects our veterans; which fully funds the diplomacy that keeps our soldiers out of war; which makes good on our commitment to pay our U.N. dues and arrears. I ask you to pass this budget. And here's everything Bush said about terrorism in his February 2001 SOTU address: Our nation also needs a clear strategy to confront the threats of the 21st century -- threats that are more widespread and less certain. They range from terrorists who threaten with bombs to tyrants in rogue nations intent upon developing weapons of mass destruction. To protect our own people, our allies and friends, we must develop and we must deploy effective missile defenses." Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 04:33 PMHere's a pol cartoon from Tom Toles on Clarke: I told you Dubya is melting, melting... Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 04:33 PMI apologize for the lack of clarity on my post above... I meant to say this Admin does not speak to their dimenishment of the Clinton's placement of Al-Qaeda as top priority and their (Bush) top priority of Iraq/Sadaam... sorry Thank you, Pat... difference between a man of words (Clinton) and a man of guns "dead or alive" (Bush) huh...? Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 04:41 PMTerry Gross of NPR has her interview with Richard Clarke today --- it's on at 12:00 Noon here, maybe evening hr other locations... check it out Peace Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 05:02 PMHas anyone asked the question of Powell or someone why the Bush Administration gave $52 million to the Taliban in May of 2001? What was that about? As I said, Neptune forming a grand trine to WTC 9/11 chart involving Saturn and Mercury indicates that the truth will be protected through all this and we need the truth NOT to be protected. However, it will be Saturn applying the pressure and the comission will not be believed. Either that or there is another scandal surrounding all this about to blow. Posted by: Sally on March 24, 2004 05:08 PMClarke to Terry Gross (NPR "FRESH AIR"): Clarke states outgoing Clinton Admin gave incoming team THREE priority matters: 1) Al-Qaeda 2) Israel-mideast peace process 3) No. Korea Instead Bush put forth their agenda: 1) Star wars 2) Anti-Ballistic System 3) IRAQ Clinton Admin put police on high alert in Nov 1999 telling them they expected an imminent threat from Al-Qaeda -- a police officer arrested one of the suspects they had alerted them about and the attack on Los Angeles was averted and possibly two other attacks... Condi Rice KEPT Clarke from meetings with Pres and cabinet until week before 911... "The President knew that Geo Tenant and I were sending out alerts that a threat from Al-Qaeda was imminent and altho they suspected it would take place in Saudi Arabi or mid-east they sent alerts locally in this country and overseas thru Defense Dept. Clarke feels that the sub-cabinet level alerts did not have the force from the top down meetings would have had. He also knew from conversations with Tenant that the President was being BRIEFED DAILY that Al-Qaeda was a threat... BOTTOM LINE: Clarke's testimony today before Commission will be damaging to the Bush Admin... "What the President Knew" and "When He Knew It" cannot be dismissed... the foreign papers are already carrying this story... Sally, OBL IMHO is not being sought because of ties between bin laden and Bush families... that is going to blow wide open... I feel it in my gut... Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 05:36 PMJo, you might be very right on this. Mercury is in a trine to stationary retrograding Pluto today, very potent in terms of information coming out and sticking in the human psyche. What is said today won't be forgotten. Posted by: Sally on March 24, 2004 05:39 PM"However, it will be Saturn applying the pressure and the comission will not be believed. Either that or there is another scandal surrounding all this about to blow." Rubs hands together. Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 05:51 PMJo, awesome! I hope there will be a transcript! Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 05:52 PMThis site is such a breath of fresh air--like opening a window to the light upon a dark and musty truth. Great astrological analysis and insight along with an incredible wealth of information from contributors. Pat, your posts above were especially appreciated. It's getting to the point were this is my first stop in the day for the news of what's really going on. Sally, just a quick question. Neptune is now today at 14:38 Aquarius. I thought one is supposed to round up and that even 14:01 is actually in the 15th degree. Mercury and Saturn would then technically have been at 15 degrees on 911 if that is the case. That's still a Grand Trine, of course, but then the number is 15. Perhaps this is another case of where both perspectives shed some light. I'm just wondering what a numberological analysis might suggest concerning your astute insight about the connections between 911 and the 911 Commission if the number used is 15. Do you think there is equal relevance to an analysis using 15 instead of 14? In checking the US chart again I notice that on rounding up the Sun is at 14 squaring Saturn at 15. I know, small point, but it has piqued my curiosity. Posted by: Timothy on March 24, 2004 06:18 PMTimothy, you are most welcome. You know if I posted everything I thought was really helpful, the number would be overwhelming. Amazing times. The Tarot card associated with the number 15 is of course The Devil - bondage to the material. Posted by: Pat on March 24, 2004 06:24 PMAnd that was indeed a breath of Fresh Air, Jo! There is no radio station here that airs that program and I will have to try to hear it over the net with a slow connection (arrgh!) so your reporting is much appreciated. Sally, I hope you're right about Clarke's testimony being long remembered. At the very least what he says absolutely demolishes Bush's primary strength with the American public as a strong leader in the war on terrorism. But I think what it suggests is even stronger than that--confirming my suspicion all along that they really let 911 happen purposely. Bush's actions on 911 alone always seemed inexplicable unless they knew beforehand what was about to occur. When Andy Card whispers in his ear that a second plane has crashed into the towers, there is no possibility of pretending that it was possibly an accident (as he claimed with the first plane). So there he is reading with children in a well publicized appearance and America is under attack from hijacked jetliners. They know at that point that at least 4 planes had been hijacked and two have crashed into the WTC. They supposedly don't know where the other two are heading and supposedly don't know that there are only four planes hijacked. There conceivably could have been another plane hijacked with the elementary school where Bush is reading with children as the target. All of this should have been obvious and what does the chimp do? He continues his reading lesson for at least another 20-30 minutes as if there is nothing to worry about. And then about an hour later Air Force One finally takes off--INTO UNPROTECTED SKIES--as if there were no reason for concern for the President's security. The only conclusion to draw from this is that they already knew! That's going to be some interesting Republican convention in New York if Clarke's testimony finally breaks through the Neptunian fog this despicable Administration has hidden within. Posted by: Timothy on March 24, 2004 07:04 PMTimothy, The number 15 is as Sally said above the Tarot Trump signified by the Devil, in contemporary times we try to move from the harsh negative connations and so the card itself reveals bondage, to fear, to matter, to material - darkness blocking the light, the spiritual... much the case for our time here on earth in the density of matter... today is a 15 and there is hope the truth can break forth from the 'bondage' --- that Clarke will begin the movement of the darkness that blocks the light... One other thing, in Tarot the cards build on the one preceding, so there is a flow --- the 14, (Temperance, truth, balance, guidance Mercury) 15 (Devil, material, fear,bondage, darkness Capricorn/Saturn) and 16 (crashing tower) work for me intuitively... something else might trigger your psyche and work for you --- Namaste, Peace and Light Posted by: Jo on March 24, 2004 07:35 PMTimothy, very good comments and sometimes astrologers do round up to the next number after the minutes have hit 30, such as 14 degrees 31 minutes. However on 9/11 Mercury (the faster moving planet) was at 14 degrees 17 minutes and was in an applying trine to Saturn. The inner planets are timing planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus and Mars) as well as the faster moving planets, such as Jupiter moves faster than Saturn, Saturn moves faster than Uranus etc. Right now Neptune has not yet even hit the 9/11 Saturn. Because Mercury was at 14'17" on 9/11 they all come under that 14 degrees. In Hindu astrology, they only count the degrees, if you have a planet at 2 scorpio and another planet at 29 Scorpio they are still conj. With the Sabian Symbols, once a planet has hit a degree, you look at the next degree to read it. I hope I haven't confused people even more on this subject, but as far as the 14 for 9/11, it's because Mercury, the timing planet, was just coming to a square to Saturn. Posted by: Sally on March 24, 2004 07:36 PMThanks for the clarification regarding numbers, Sally and Jo. I do believe it was in reference to Sabian symbols that I remembered that you round up. I simply assumed that applied more generally to astrological analysis. It will only be poetic justice if the towers now crash on the Bush Administration! Posted by: Timothy on March 24, 2004 07:49 PMhttp://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10149 A New Folk Hero John F. Lehman, the former secretary of the Navy, probably wishes he didn't ask Richard Clarke about Iraq today. By doing so, he not only helped Clarke emerge as a new folk hero. Lehman also increased the chances that historians will view Clarke's devastating critique of Bush's terrorism and Iraq agenda as the beginning of the end of the Bush administration. The forum for all this was Richard Clarke's testimony in front of the bipartisan commission investigating terrorism and September 11. Clarke, of course, is the giant-killer and tell-all author whose recent release, Against All Enemies, blew the roof off of President Bush's claim to be a war president. Until Lehman's question, Clarke hadn't mentioned Iraq, though he'd quietly and effectively ripped President Bush to shreds for his failure to take terrorism seriously. "The Bush administration considered terrorism an important issue but not an urgent issue," said Clarke. "George Tenet [the CIA director] and I tried very hard to create a sense of urgency. I don't think it was ever treated that way." 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