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RIDERS OF THE STORM

You can’t cross the sea merely by staring at the water. (Rabindranath Tagore, Nobel laureate for literature 1913 India)

Look at the tyranny of party--at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty--a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes--and which turns voters into chattels, slaves, rabbits, and all the while their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting or ignoring that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier when they were closing their doors against the hunted slave, beating his handful of humane defenders with bible texts and bullies and pocketing the insults and licking the shoes of his Southern master." "The Character of Man," Mark Twain's Autobiography (thank you Joanne of Oregon)

Mud shields are issued to all Democratic Candidates (Ironic Times, Feb. 23)
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I had a friend with a spectacular home and family, everything seemed perfect and ideal. One day she leaned up against the living wall and it collapsed. Termites had been eating away for years and she didn’t know it. The same day her husband came home and said he was leaving for another woman, my friend had no idea there was anything wrong in her marriage, more termites.

One of our readers (Jeanie) reminded me (all of us) of Jack Nicholson’s famous quote “you want the truth? You can’t handle the truth.” I read a quote once and do not remember the author so if anyone knows please let me know. The quote is “you don’t want the truth, you want lies and pretty words, then you will weep and wail and I shall have to say but you could have had the truth”

The truth is the United States has been bought and paid for long ago and it is now owned by a small percentage of people throughout the world. The truth is our government leaders for low so many decades have been practicing deception, fraud, and a swindle on the American Taxpayer. The truth is this is not the United States we grew up with or believed in. The truth is we have an opportunity, the best opportunity ever to educate ourselves and have a part in making the US what we believed it to be.

Uranus, Neptune, Pluto

These are the riders of the storm that have swirled around us for decades and are now a full blown, worldwide hurricane. In their turn they have created havoc and drama in our lives, bending and twisting our collective reality for over 200 years from the inception of this country.

The transits of Uranus alone in the last 84 years at 2/3/4 degrees Pisces, Gemini, Virgo and Sagittarius have brought women the right to vote in 1920, women’s rights in the workplace in 1944 as a response to so many women needed to run the country during the war. How many of you have heard the phrase ‘Rosie the Riveter?” Again in 1963 Women’s Rights and Civil Rights were pushed forward.

2004 put Gay Rights on the civil liberties table. Thanks to Mr. Bush’s dysfunctional 12th house feminine Cancer Sun, Gay Rights will become an issue in America and will be passed. This is only a matter of time. Uranus hovers around those early Pisces degrees until after the election.

Uranus must pass the US Moon at 27 degrees Aquarius to arrive at those early Piscean degrees; fairness for all begins to raise her head when Uranus aspects the Moon and the disenfranchised take to the streets. It doesn’t matter what the polls say right now about gay rights, the polls were against giving women the right to vote in the beginning, the polls were against striking down the Jim Crow laws and being pushed into civil rights for African/Americans. The tide will turn on this issue.

This is a run down on additional Uranus issues:

Tony Blair is facing a very real danger of trial with potential imprisonment by or before the spring of 2005 (Mars at 3 degrees Gemini in the 12th house, squaring a 3 degrees Pisces Midheaven.)

Bush dealing with intense pressure on the coup in Haiti and will be perceived as making yet another mess.

A sudden but erratic boost to our economy and the coffers of the political parties through the elections (more going to Republicans than Democrats, but the Dems will still benefit)
The economy will not begin a full recovery until the North Node is in Scorpio.

The country accepting a Kerry/Edwards ticket as a foregone conclusion,
even though Kerry doesn’t want Edwards as his running mate.

Iraq heats up soon, this week or next and again toward the third week of March. More bombings and more dead.

Bush administration wants to wait until this summer to trot out Osama; they may not have that luxury.

Finally, I cannot emphasize enough the impact that 8/9/10 degrees Gemini will have this spring. Both Edwards, Kerry and Bush have planets at those mutable degrees, the US Uranus and Mars will be passing over those degrees the end of March first of April. Later the Venus transit (more on this later) will be activating this degree again. Hot spring and summer for politics and war.

Later this week I will post on Neptune, Pluto and Saturn, the Galactic Center and Messier Object 21. This is bigger than Pluto.




Sally Cheyne McDonald on Mar 2 | Link
Comments

"The truth is the United States has been bought and paid for long ago and it is now owned by a small percentage of people throughout the world."

Oh so terribly true....

Posted by: Pat on March 2, 2004 11:53 AM

Sally,
WONDERFUL article... how profoundly accurate you are regards the truth. Even those of us who seek it and sometimes find a piece of it have difficulty internalizing it... "Riders of the Storm" --- nice. Thank you.

You're on the money about all your assessments... Iraq is burning again, even as I write... wonder who bombed the Shia' mosque? wonder who is best served by chaos in Iraq?

Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 01:21 PM

Sally, Here's an update on possible criminal charges for Blair:

"Lawyers will today explain why they are asking the international criminal court to investigate allegations of war crimes by top British politicians in invading Iraq.
The group Legal Action Against War will submit a petition to the court in the Hague today, asking the court to investigate alleged offences by Tony Blair; the foreign secretary, Jack Straw; the defence secretary, Geoff Hoon; and the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith.

The group said "a principal charge" was "intentionally launching an attack knowing that it will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians".

for full article, see:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1160307,00.html

Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 01:46 PM

The Deal

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040308fa_fact

Posted by: Pat on March 2, 2004 02:23 PM

GOP Plans Votes to Put Democrats on the Spot

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20867-2004Mar1?language=printer

Republicans plan to use Congress to pull Sen. John F. Kerry and vulnerable Democrats into the cultural wars over gay rights, abortion and guns, envisioning a series of debates and votes that will highlight the candidates' positions on divisive issues, according to congressional aides and GOP officials.


The strategy will be on full display today, as Kerry (Mass.) and Sen. John Edwards (N.C.), the leading Democratic presidential candidates, plan to interrupt their Super Tuesday campaigning to fly to Washington for half a dozen votes on gun legislation, including liability protections for gun manufacturers. Both men oppose the liability bill, placing them in their party's majority even though some prominent Democrats -- including Senate Minority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) -- support the bill.


A top Edwards aide said the senator is "not thrilled" to be voting on gun control one week before southern states such as Texas hold their primaries. Kerry, who has missed every Senate vote this year -- plus several key votes last year -- canceled a Florida campaign event tonight to be on hand for the gun votes, several of which are expected to be close.


Steve Elmendorf, a senior Kerry adviser, said of the strategy by congressional Republicans and the administration, "We just have to aggressively defend our interests and make sure they do not abuse their power by coming up with phony political ideas." He said Kerry will rely on fellow Democrats to defend him in Congress most of the time.

More....

Posted by: Pat on March 2, 2004 02:48 PM

Sally, you said in article above: “The truth is this is not the United States we grew up with or believed in. The truth is we have an opportunity, the best opportunity ever to educate ourselves and have a part in making the US what we believed it to be.” I concur. Bernard Weiner of Crisis Papers has a piece out this a.m. “The America I Live In: Notes for the Campaign” see link
http://www.bushwatch.net/weiner.htm [Great minds run....! Lots of awareness in the ‘collective’]

Re your quote above “you don’t want the truth, you want lies and pretty words, then you will weep and wail and I shall have to say but you could have had the truth” — I believe that’s from the movie “A few Good Men” — Jack Nicholson — at least that’s what Google finds —

A comment re searching for ‘the truth’ — IMHO ‘labels’ impede that effort... the duality forces us to choose one or the other, or simply to go back to our comfort level... e.g. Congress: some call themselves “Democrat” and support Bush to the hilt (Zell Miller of Georgia — actually always been a Repug in Demo clothing, which actually was the basic uniform of those from the South thru the 70s); some call themselves a Republican and still fight for the Republic (John McCain threatened to hold up Highway Bill if Hasert didn’t support two-months extension for the 911 Commission); some call themselves Republican and support the Neo-con agenda... (YOU pick!). We could extend this out into the media to those strong supporters of Bush who are “waking” up to the truth... Howard Stern whose program was suspended at some Channel radio stations after (according to his own conclusion) he did a 180 degree turn and in a ten minute span stated: “Al Gore won the election. Bush did not fulfill his duty in the National Guard. George W. will never admit that Poppy Bush pulled stings to get him into the Guard and keep him out of Vietnam. There are several questions about Bush's character.” As Buzzflash reminds us, even a worm turns.

Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 04:03 PM

Sorry, too much coffee this a.m. I meant to add to my post above:

We must move past the "labels" and listen and look carefully to the essence, else we may get 'snuckered' ---

Again, Sally thanks for your timely article.

Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 04:08 PM

Thanks Jo about the "truth" quote but I heard that before the movie was out. It was a philosopher, maybe Bertrand Russell, I'm not sure.

I awakened this morning enraged. Enraged over Aristide, gay marriage and changing the Constitution to include bigotry, over the bombing in Iraq, over Greenspan's remarks about Social Security. Where are the activitists from the 60's? The Baby Boomers nie Hippies, had to pay a ton into payroll taxes in order for Social Security to survive when they arrived at the gates of retirement and now they are poised to gut the program completely. Have we gone down in a sea of drugs, of a I don't know, I don't care. Oh I am angry this morning.

The Congressional Black Caucus is not going to let the Aristide issue go, they are meeting with the UN and the State Department today.

Posted by: Sally on March 2, 2004 04:38 PM

Here's just a few things up. This first one will absolutely show us whether Kerry and Edwards have a different agenda than the Repugs. This action is a giant bell from the Republicans over what issues they have defined for the election, and the platform GWB will run upon

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A20867-2004Mar1?language=printer

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/state/8080749.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/02/opinion/02KRUG.html

Posted by: Sally on March 2, 2004 04:49 PM

Finally the Brit press is getting 'real' on Aristide tragedy... they've been touting the Bush admin's line for two days now ---

"Aristide was forced from office on Sunday by people who have little in common except their opposition to his progressive policies and their refusal of the democratic process. With the enthusiastic backing of Haiti's former colonial master, a leader elected with overwhelming popular support has been driven from office by a loose association of convicted human rights abusers, seditious former army officers and pro-American business leaders.

It's obvious that Aristide's expulsion offered Jacques Chirac a long-awaited chance to restore relations with an American administration he dared to oppose over the attack on Iraq. It's even more obvious that the characterisation of Aristide as yet another crazed idealist corrupted by absolute power sits perfectly with the political vision championed by George Bush, and that the Haitian leader's downfall should open the door to a yet more ruthless exploitation of Latin American labour." see
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1159809,00.html

Sally I've looked thru my own library and Russell's website and can't find author of your quote... it's a good one, nonetheless...


Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 05:03 PM

Yesterday CNN was saying, on their news cast that Aristide was known for being erratic and delusional according to the State Department. This from the same State Department who stood up at the UN and said WMD's were a fact and were hidden in a grove of palm trees in Iraq.

Posted by: Sally on March 2, 2004 05:13 PM

don't ya know, all who speak against Bushco are crazed, eratic, delusional, fanatical lunatics- remember the shadow...???? BTW, thanks for this article Sally, watch some Monty Python, "Life of Brian", a cure-all for what ails ya, :)

Posted by: Peg on March 2, 2004 05:20 PM

P.S. I wonder how all the other crazed lunatic leaders in the world are feeling about articles like this: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/co/16872/1.html "The coup in Haiti wasn't the first such American-sponsored coup of this century, nor will it be the last. The American Empire profits from war and human misery, and coup-plotters are forever active attempting to terminate democracy and replace it with a neo-liberalist, corporate state. What was important about this latest coup in Haiti is that it helped Washington to regain a sense of confidence in its use of subversive political methods. Ever since the coup fiasco in Venezuela a few years back, some have wondered whether the Bush administration has what it takes to carry on a long and bloody American tradition. With Aristide now gone, it looks as though it has.

Posted by: on March 2, 2004 05:41 PM

that was me, feeling doom, Sally is mad, anyone else??? I just got this from Mark Lerner, maybe it'll help: "Be aware that Saturn is slowing down in retrograde motion and nearing a direct station in Cancer on Saturday. If you are feeling an increase in fears, a growing depression or sense of impending doom, you are tuning into this coming Saturn shift. Laughter and upbeat sharings with loved ones are a panacea."

Posted by: Peg on March 2, 2004 05:47 PM

Sally you asked where are the activists of the 60s - some are on this board - some protested in Miami recently, where not just a few were either beaten or ended up in jail. The musicians are silent - no 'protest' songs - Clear Channel will see that their music is not played --- I woke up a year ago to the fact that this is a 'police state' - not one 'becoming one' - when the Repugs threaten to imprison a member of Congress for speaking against the war, what can the rest of us do? Geo Monibot of the Guardian is calling today for the Brits to take to the streets to bring down Blair... try that here! My pro-Bush neighbor would beat me with a club! Do I sound intimidated? I am... read our Bill of Rights and you'll realize we don't have any 'rights' anymore... due process is gone, and if the Bushies say "you're a terrorist" by Jove, you are and they can put you under the jail and throw away the key (like they have been doing in Texas for years)...

Peg, thanks for the suggestions --- but that's the problem... I don't want to turn away from what's going on out there... I want to do something, but I don't know what! Sally, you mentioned "you can't cross the sea by staring at the water" --- Long ago I painted a little message on the wall over my computer: "Lord, be good to me... the sea is so wide and my boat is so small" (a quote from a child) ---

Bernard Weiner of the Crisis Papers said in his article I linked above, we should RESIST the suspension of the Constitution WHEN it comes... Can someone tell me please how one does that? When the brown shirts will be standing at the door?

The pine tree's voice is always
Whispering,
Yet, how many pause to listen?
For when the churning mind is still,
the Diamond-Heart within
Reflects even the falling dusk that
shrouds every eye and branch,
And hears, but listens not.

Walking, then, with Courage
and Kindness,
never ceasing to walk in Wonder,
we follow our ancient path.
For the Way of the sword is
folded two;
Like the rose we have thorns,
and like the rose, we unfold.

- Ji Aoi Isshi

Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 05:54 PM

I'm very new here and I do not know if my ideas
will be accepted by anyone. I hope I do not
offend anyone, either.

I take it that a lot of you on this board are like
me and are more than just passably acquainted in
"Alternative Disciplines".

About a year ago I became very, very angry at the
'so-called leaders' of this country. Not for me,
I'm sixty-six years old and my needs and pleasures
have dwindled considerably. But I have two daugh-
ters, one grandaughter and two little great-grand-
daughters; they range in age from one to forty
years old. What kind of future have they got to
look forward to? I got myself into such a tizzy
that it coloured my whole life.

Finally I calmed down and took stock of the situa-
tion and what I could possibly do about it. Eons
ago I was taught that 'after you turn the other
cheek' and things don't improve, if you don't act
'you will become a door mat' (Edgar Cayce quote).

I knew what I had done all my adult life and had I
been an innocent victim: I would send it back to
the perpretator full force. It always worked....
Very simply, you WILL NOT accept the evil aimed at
you, so you deflect it with all your mental might
and aim it back to the sender; it is a simple matter of energy. The only CAVEAT is that you are
NOT to even think in which manner or how severe
the impact will be when it reaches the sender.

It took a few months, but last July and August,
finally the first faint voices of criticism began.
Six months later, the floodgates have opened wide.

PLEASE, PLEASE I IMPLORE ALL OF YOU, TAKE ALL THIS
BEAUTIFUL ANGER THAT YOU ARE EXPRESSING, HARNESS
IT AND SEND THE EVIL BACK - FULL FORCE 100%.
EVERY DAY - THREE TIMES A DAY OR AS OFTEN AS YOU
CAN. KEEP IT UP FOR AS LONG AS NECESSARY. LET'S
FACE: I CANNOT DO IT ALL BY MYSELF.


P.S I am not a Wiccan, I am a spiritualist (please
note the small "s"). But I am well acquainted wit
what the English witches did at Dover in WWII:
All the covens of the British Isles assembled
at the "White Cliffs" of Dover, evoked what pro-
bably is the most gigantic CONE OF POWER ever and
hurled it at Hitler and his troops.
Doubtelessly, the bloodshed the Allies sustained
on D-Day was devastating, but I am convinced that all the energy the good British Witches sent DID
help considerably...........


Posted by: corleonis on March 2, 2004 07:02 PM

Thanks for that, corleonis!! It's true & it's GOOD!! Blessed Be. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 2, 2004 07:12 PM

Welcome Corleonis to this board... and thank you for the words...

Peg I thank you for the reminder of the 'station' -- I have great respect for and interest in them... and it gives me hope to realize that part of what I am feeling is indeed Saturn's energy over my stellium in Cancer... 'this too shall pass', right?! My anger is turning inward and that is depression... it needs to go out--- right to the source, right Corleonis? [what a beautiful name... 'Leo' - protector of the lair, just what I need right now, my Pallas Athene... she must have taken a nap] Thank you Corleonis. I just added a note to my wall writing: "get a bigger boat Stupid!" ;-)
I'm fairly new to the board, too. Don't apologize for your beliefs or words... we don't have to do that here. Namaste

Posted by: Jo on March 2, 2004 07:19 PM

Just by reading your post, corleonis, an emormous flow of energy started rushing thru me. From even my own little computer seat, I'm able to throw back to the necrophiliacs' their own Life-destroying negativity & WHOOOOSH... so it goes. Now, we know how very especially powerful when multipled by 1000s with Intentional Consciousness! ;O)

Btw, I'm looking forward to the local Spring Equinox ritual. They are going on everywhere. And, hopefully, everyone has read at least one book by Starhawk.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 2, 2004 07:26 PM

A little something for us "Grandmas & Crones"...

Goddess calls us to see...

Ourselves as divine

Our bodies as sacred

The changing phases of our Lives as holy

Our assertion as healthy

Our anger as purifying

Our power to create, nurture, limit & destroy as the very Force that sustains all Life.

Starhawk
The Sacred Dance

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 2, 2004 07:32 PM

Corleonis, thanks so much for the reminder! Onward!

Posted by: Pat on March 2, 2004 07:39 PM

"My pro-Bush neighbor would beat me with a club! Do I sound intimidated? I am"

You aren't alone, there are so many of us out there. I have the same kind of neighbors. The chickenhawks who scream at you about patriotism. The sort of people who attach a flag to their SUV and consider it a contribution to the War On Terror. The people who claim, with a straight face, that Dubya deserved that Nobel Peace Prize nomination because he "liberated" Iraq. Don't be too afraid of them, they deserve your pity. Imagine how shocked they'll be when they're finally forced to face the truth.

The Repugs want us to feel marginalized, they want us to be scared, our fear empowers them. The ditto-heads don't have any rational arguments so they resort to violence and scare tactics. They buy radio stations, television networks, and newspapers, to spout their propaganda, labeling all who oppose them "cowards," "losers," "traitors," and "radicals." They have no choice, they could never gain control honestly. They wouldn't have to throw mud and steal elections if the majority agreed with them, and they know it.

Don't lose hope, their misdeeds will catch up with them eventually. No one motivated by greed and paranoia can hold on to anything for too long.

Posted by: Mary on March 2, 2004 07:54 PM

Dear Grandmas,
I just love that you are so dedicated and have found a voice to speak on this amazing board. You all have so much to teach and offer, Many thanks. One of my best friends is the 77 year old author of one of my books. She is my 'teenager' friend. Feisty and angry and political. Also verrrrry cool. Much hipper than friends my age, 49. I became a Born Again Teenager/Forever Flower Child a few years ago and I'm sticking to that story.

Posted by: bhakti on March 2, 2004 08:17 PM

Sorry not to have articulated too well. I am not angry beyond redemption. Scorpio you know with Aries Moon, knee jerk reaction to being pushed down the "rabbit hole" with this administration. After I blow, I start figuring out how to be a part of the solution. So I am involved with the Dems here. One funny thing happened this am and still have me laughing, particularly if one is in the "grandmother" catagory.

I heard on NPR that Guy Philippe, the little punk rebel in Haiti has installed himself in a very fancy office with the title of Minister of Defense and they are going to execute some of Aristide's followers. Colin Powell said no that wasn't going to happen and Philippe pretty much told him "tough, we are in control and you will have to kill us." What a really great job they are doing in Haiti. The US armed and supported these guys and now they cannot get them out.

Posted by: Sally on March 2, 2004 08:49 PM

What's more Sally, these are the same guys they chased out before! Cool huh?

Posted by: Pat on March 2, 2004 09:38 PM

http://hightower.fmp.com/weblog.php

Very good information here....

Posted by: Pat on March 2, 2004 09:47 PM

Sally, you're wondering where all the old hippies are? Well, here I am - voting my conscience, standing for peace and justice with Women in Black, writing to my representatives, and sharing all I can about the lies we face every day with the students I work with. I, too, wake up angry when I see what this administration (and others - this is just the most egregious of them) do to the rest of the world to hold onto their utterly obscene amounts of money and "power". Little do they realize that the real power exists in our hearts and souls - how could they, when they have neither? It's not by big things that we change the world (though I wish we could all do that too!) but by the changes we make in ourselves and thence in the world around us.

Posted by: Baraka on March 2, 2004 10:17 PM

So if Kerry is declared the candidate tomorrow rather than at the convention what have we got?

Posted by: Morgana on March 3, 2004 02:15 AM

Sally, anger and bitterness, regarding the Haiti madness, seem so mild when I think that this idiotic admistration sat back and allowed the slaughter of so many innocents . All for their inept political policies. God, I hate these people

Posted by: Janet on March 3, 2004 02:22 AM

I'm still voting for DK here in Illinois- so is my bro. we'll show 'em! :)

Posted by: Peg on March 3, 2004 02:51 AM

Sally, excellent!

"the United States we grew up with or believed in" --

GREW UP WITH REALITY

H Bomb Japan Gee, Mr. T should have
listened to the Japa-
nese when they surren-
dered plus all of his
advisors (save one)

McCarthyism Oh, grandfather figure--
"I like Ike" let this
one slide engendering
national paranoia, the
foundation of our
current misery

Cuban Inferno Thanks JFK for just
about blowing up the
world

Viet Nam "Hey, hey LBJ" ...killed
millions

More Viet Nam, Water- Trickey, my man, gracias
gate, Chile, etc.

Nixon parton Thanks for the healing
Gerald

It's like Reagan's remark "I can remember when there wasn't a race problem."

The fruits of our national labor consist of a parallel process of degradation and achievement. We need to believe in consistency across the board.

We have to give the Democrats one last chance since four more years of Bush represent the end of our particular line...we're toast. Kerry needs to have a Lincoln moment. I wonder where his part of spirit is.

Posted by: mike on March 3, 2004 03:30 AM

Good question Morgana - and Peter Jennings says the only question now is "will Edwards accept 2nd place" - who said Kerry is going to ask him? (I've been angry with Jennings ever since he defended Bush's Guard record.)

Anybody else notice that the Marines went into Haiti just before 'Super Tuesday'? Are they willing to have people killed to get the lead on the evening news? (she naively asks)

When I grow up and become President, I'm going to abolish the office... too much power there for one person. We'll raze the White House and remove all those concrete barriers and plant daffodils and tulips...

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 03:32 AM

Yea, Jo... those concrete walls & barbed wire describe exactly the squatter in the WH. I LOVE watching Living Symbolism at work & play.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 3, 2004 04:24 AM

We need to be ready to watch for daffodils & tulips. On Kerry's predetermined selection? We shall see...

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 3, 2004 04:26 AM

Joanna,
The last time I was in Washington DC was early 80s on a Peace March with my young daughter. We'd not traveled from the West Coast as some others had, merely caught the last week, walking several days into the capital. There were no concrete barriers then. Sisters from a nearby convent came to give the marchers foot massages... and even though it was winter, there was a very festive mood.. some friends and I walked into a side street where a homeless woman sat regally on one of those open grates with warm air rising from underground, her beautiful black hair flowing behind her. She looked at us and asked "why are you here?" and we replied we had been marching. She asked "what for" and we answered "peace". She spoke in a zen-like manner... "What is peace... and did you find it?" We were speechless.

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 04:57 AM

Yes, Jo... I've always been partial to those "strange homeless ladies," too. I find them literally stuffed with meaning, actually--Figures of Cassandra--& listen to them carefully awa offer food... an "offering" that churches seek to mimic behind THEIR concrete walls imo.

Which reminds me, there aren't news pics of the WH anymore. One used to see them quite frequently, but not anymore. The squatters (like the "squatters we've allowed within our Divine WH Self") don't want the People to become conscious of their WH's bizarre new look & then demand to know why it's so soiled & abused looking?!? Parcival had only to ask: "What is the WH & whom does it serve?" then get his ass back to his mother before she died. Well, a bit of liberty there, but not by much. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 3, 2004 05:21 AM

Elizabeth Joyce predicts bush will lose, and the elected president (nice change) will be a "walk-in" that will help heal the country. Not sure if I beleive in walk-ins, but it's a nice notion anyway
Swamp

Posted by: on March 3, 2004 06:06 AM

Walk-ins? Can't say I ever believed in them either until some of our present "leaders" started showing up and I think they are walk in automatons, so why not an authenic walk in.

Joanne, I hadn't thought of it but you are right we don't see pics of the WH anymore with it's broad lawn, probably can't see that anymore. Fortress now I hear with Georgie Boy tucked safe and sound inside. In George's world there is terror all around have to keep the rif raft out you know.

Posted by: Sally on March 3, 2004 06:16 AM

Yes, Miss Sally... & saturn's come to "fish 'im" out of its 12th hse spidey-hole, "hook 'im" up by the scruff of the neck, & "flop 'im" down in front of the World Court (saturn/libra). Judgement Day, one way or another, is come for us all in the figure of george. (umm... perhaps some of us more than others).

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 3, 2004 06:35 AM

Buzzflash has a headline: "Must, Must read. The case against George Bush. Blood on his hands as he and Cheney pursued a "political" war in Iraq for oil and votes instead of attacking the real terrorists."

re Jim Miklaszewski of NBC's piece yesterday on
Zarqawi, the fella WH has tagged with responsibility for bombings in Iraq yesterday:

"With Tuesday’s attacks, Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant with ties to al-Qaida, is now blamed for more than 700 terrorist killings in Iraq.

But NBC News has learned that long before the war the Bush administration had several chances to wipe out his terrorist operation and perhaps kill Zarqawi himself — but never pulled the trigger."

full article at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 12:52 PM

I asked yesterday who benefits from these bombings in Iraq, now comes the other side of the coin: Robert Fisk as usual has a wonderful piece in Counterpunch questioning "civil war"
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk03022004.html
and Reuters carries a piece covering letter from group DISCLAIMING responsibility to London source.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4486510§ion=news

Namaste, Jo

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 01:15 PM

In the counterpunch article he said "I don't believe the US" did this. I wonder why, alot or Iraqi's think they were.

Posted by: Sally on March 3, 2004 02:42 PM

I don't know why either Sally. Fisk is usually a real straight shooter. He does tick off 'Iraqi exile groups' as a possibility --- there's something between the lines... maybe a reference to Chalabi and the neo-cons? anyway, you're right that the Iraqi people think it was the Americans. According to another source the Iraqis immediately thought it the work of the Americans and started throwing stones and the soldiers fired into the crowd killing three Iraqis --- trying to find the link to that now, can't recall, been surfing alot...

I don't know about the rest of you, but IMHO this was too much explosive for "car bombs" ... and the coinciding incident in Pakistan that resulted in deaths of Shia' also... another thing, the population in USA is about 10-11 times that of Iraq --- some reports bring the death toll to over 200, not to mention those who survived but lost limbs... the carnage must be as devastating and traumatic for Iraqis as 911 was for us... and it was captured on video.

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 03:08 PM

Yesterday was the festival of Ashura --- there's a website explaining the religious and historical significance:http://www.ashura.com/

Ashura is the 10th day of the lunar month of Muharram when according to Islamic tradition Imam Hussein, grandson of the Prophet Mohammad, was killed in Kerbala in battle more than 13 centuries ago. [note the carnage at Kerbala yesterday - see Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1160859,00.html]

Ashura, the biggest mass event in the Shi'ite calendar, is observed in Iraq and in other countries with sizeable Shi'ite communities, including Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Syria.

Sunnis also mourn Hussein's death, but less fervently, and Ashura serves as a reminder of the divisions between Sunni and Shi'ite which date back to disagreements over the Prophet Mohammad's succession.

If the objective was to create civil war and obstruct the implementation of the recently completed Iraq constitution and prolong the occupation for the 'security of the Iraqis' then a more fitting symbolism than "Ashura" can hardly exist.

One other point: it is the Shia majority that oppose the occupation... it is Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani [who reminds Rummy and his retreads from earlier Repug admins of another Ayatollah, Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran] who influences the majority of Iraqis...

Does anyone have a chart on Iraq? I'm curious about yesterday's transits. Kao has Hindu chart.

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 04:07 PM

this is what I think, for what it's worth: (from a Guyanese message board): "What they are trying to do is to get the shiites in Arabia to come to the defence of their Shiite counterparts in Iraq. And then create an enclave (as was done for Bosnia-Herzegovinia). All the Shiites in the region will then buffer the Sunnis and the Kurds of Iraq.

In doing so they will control the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia also together with Iraq's vast reserves. This will then be the largest oil reserve in the world.

It is a political strategy that has been carefully pre-planned. The Muslims are totally oblivious to the whole picture.

The Holy sites of Mecca and Medina would also become prime targets for attack. The Saudis have woken up a bit too late as to the real plans. It was only after 9/11 that they got a hold of the whole picture. So obsessed were they about wealth. It might be a bit too late to turn back the clock." It has been pretty well established in some circles that the Mossad/Cia IS AlQuaida, and that they have been orchestrating EVERYTHING, which has then been counterattacked by the Saudis/ Muslims at times. (The power struggles between Israel/ US/ the Middle East can be very interesting.)

Posted by: Peg on March 3, 2004 04:08 PM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20040302-1455-cialeak.html

Ambassador's book to reveal who he thinks leaked wife's CIA identity, publisher says


A federal grand jury has heard testimony from at least four White House officials in its investigation to identify the leaker of Valerie Plame's name to syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who published the name in his syndicated column last July. Numerous other officials have been interviewed by the FBI.

Spokeswoman Karen Auerbach of the Avalon Publishing Group in New York said she did not know the identity of the purported leaker.

Novak said in his July 14 column that his sources were two unidentified senior administration officials. Novak has not commented about the matter during the grand jury investigation.

Wilson's book, "The Politics of Truth," is scheduled to come out May 20.

More.....

Posted by: Pat on March 3, 2004 05:28 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1160819,00.html

David Kay, former chief U.S. weapons inspector, tells the Guardian of London the Bush administration should "come clean with the American people" and admit it was wrong about the existence of WMDs in Iraq.


"In an interview with the Guardian, Mr. Kay said the administration's reluctance to make that admission was delaying essential reforms of US intelligence agencies, and further undermining its credibility at home and abroad. He welcomed the creation of a bipartisan commission to investigate prewar intelligence on Iraq, and said the wide-ranging US investigation was much more likely to get to the truth than the Butler inquiry in Britain. That, he noted, had 'so many limitations it's going to be almost impossible' to come to meaningful conclusions."

Posted by: Pat on March 3, 2004 05:32 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24681-2004Mar2.html

The talk that didn't happen
The Washington Post runs an account of a rare "deep background" conversation the president had with five network reporters who agreed they wouldn't quote him directly. "Word of the meeting got around before it was over. Several people provided accounts of it to The Washington Post but spoke only on the condition of anonymity because, in the view of the White House and by the agreement of the networks, the conversation never officially occurred."


What did Bush tell the reporters? "The Oval Office session was designed to show Bush as eager to campaign and fight back against Kerry, and to portray the president as engaged in the issues of the day. The meeting was supposed to run just half an hour, and Bush seemed to enjoy showing that he could handle whatever topics were fired at him, according to the accounts."


But, the Post says, the conversation may have been intended more to get Bush friendly again with a press corps accustomed to being shut out by the White House. "Aides hoped to recapture some of the camaraderie of his campaign plane early in the 2000 race, when he engaged reporters with long, off-the-record chats," the paper says.

Posted by: Pat on March 3, 2004 05:34 PM

"journalists" --- real ones, anyway --- don't crawl en masse into bed with the pResident of the WH --- do we need to add some more names to the 'media' website or, are these the same who**s we're already familiar with?

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 05:57 PM

To understand Iraqi, you have to understand the religious factions.

The Shites are the conservation group, mostly in the south and are aleigned with Iran religiously.
They are the ones who keep their women in Bukas and won't let them go to school, etc. They are 60% of the population. They are the closest to the Taliban or AL Quaida. So it would not be an Al Quaida follower who would be attacting them. That idea is just propaganda of the US and some of the leaders of Iraqi.

The Sunnis are the liberal faction and allowed the women almost the freedom of western women. They are in central Iraq and Sadam is part of that faction.

I know less about the Turks in the north. But the only known Al Quaida was in this northern territory that was not in Sadam's control.

Remember the fly overs, that was to protect the south (Shites) and north (Turks) from Sadam's control.

So a democracy with the Shites in the majority means not democracy but a gov. under religious control like Iran and puts women back in Burka's and out of school.

I doubt the US did the bombing, but you never know. I don't see a real benifit. But the Isrelies are the best prospect. They always benifit when there is internal trouble in one of the mid east countries. The Sunnies are also a good prospect.

But Al Quaida would not be helping their enemy the Sunnies and attacting their friends the Shites. So who the US is blaming is not logical.

Ben Lauden is actually a Wallie (sp) which is an ultra conservative branch of Sunnie. But he is dead set against the Sunnies except for the Wallie faction. It is closer in philosophy to the Shites than the Sunnies. In fact Ben Lauden big hate is for the liberal Sunnies. He would not have a follower helping them against the Shites.

Posted by: Jean on March 3, 2004 06:15 PM

Not only are both Bush and Kerry Skull and Bones but are related back 10 generations.

Little known fact about the presidents is that almost all of them are related. Carter and maybe Clinton are the exceptions and maybe one other. Clinton is thought by some to really be fathered by someone different than his mother's husband who is supposed to be his biological father and this person was in the bloodline of the Us presidents.

This relationship goes back to at least British Royalty, but may go all the way back to the group of French Kings just after Jesus death. Some think this bloodline is really what the Holy Grail really is and goes back to Soloman. And the bloodline was either carried from Jesus to the present day by either Jesus's uncle or Mary Madiline who may have fled to southern France.

Now it makes no differance if it is true or not. What can be a factor is if the "powers that be" believe it and make sure most of the time, one of the bloodline is the leader of most of the large countries. Queen Elizabeth is realated to Bush and therefore to Kerry. What if this is why the American people have been manipulated into voting for starting with George Washington.

There is a place on the web that traces back the presidents geneology. I went dizzy for a week tracing them back. And they do all track back to English/Scottish royalty. With the few exceptions. Of course Carter can be explained by Nixon resigning and throwing a monkey wrench into their plans. Speaking of Nixon, I have read that he resigned because he might be questioned about JFK's assination and that would have lead by to daddy Bush, et al.

And by the way before you ask. There are conspiracy theories, because there are conspiracies that have not been legally proven.

Posted by: Jean on March 3, 2004 06:45 PM

Just Call Haiti Government Overthrow "The Bush Cartel Sweatshop Coup" 3/4

http://www.unobserver.com/layout5.php?id=1493&blz=1

Posted by: Pat on March 3, 2004 09:45 PM

"[After the American Revolution], there was to be no king. . . . Allegiance would go, not to a man with a crown, but to the law. . . . It was to be a 'government of laws and not men.' " —Law in America, Lawrence M. Friedman

I agree Pat - but the biggest coup of all is right under our nose --- right here in the good ol' US of A - not a military Coup d'tat --- but something folks are calling an "administrative" coup d'tat --- they stole an election; used the event of 9/11 to terrorize the public and the Congress; pulled the (willing) media into bed with 'em; they robbed our treasury and gave the money to the rich; they kicked the military out and declared an attack on Iraq (well, hey, don't forget Afghanistan) and they usurped the CIA, created their own Dept of ___ (intelligence) and began changing regimes all over the planet; they tossed the Constitution and the Bill of Rights --- created a 'camp' in Cuba; they opened our borders to Mexico; they sanctioned the shipping of our jobs overseas --- gutted public education and medicare -- they'll use social security monies to fund the military and they're going to bring back the draft. We'll be a third world country before you can blink an eye.

Looks like a coup to me... how 'bout you? I better hush... I don't look good in orange.

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 10:46 PM

My twin thinks I was a little over the top. I apologize.

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 11:09 PM

No you didn't Jo. Haiti is just part of the whole picture. Very scary.

Posted by: Pat on March 3, 2004 11:19 PM

Ladies:

I read your kind welcomes very late last night
and I felt so warm and fuzzy that I almost cried.

I did not answer then because it was V/C and
I haven't been able to get back on line 'til now.
I take care of the baby girls while their parents
work. I am again 'chief cook and bottle washer'
and I must admit I love it..........

I haven't had much time for anything else in the
past three years and I am rather rusty. Also,
this is my first foray into Mundane/Political
Astrology. I am a healer with a monumental,
abiding passion for Astrology.

I am a Leo with Scorpio rising. My most elevated
planet is Mercury @27Leo, exact Regulus, the
brightest star in the Costellation, also called
'Heart of the Lion'= Latin 'Cor Leonis', hence my
'Nom de Plume'. My Mercury is sextile my Chiron
27 Gemini, which gives me ability to heal through
speech and hands. My Mars in the first house
trine my Pluto conjunct my Sun in the 9th helps
me with remote healing. This explains all I know
of energies and how to use them.

Jo, don't give in to the depression caused by
Saturn on your stellium in Cancer. Get help from
Uranus trining it....talking about it will help
too. We need you to defeat Bush and his cronies
and his co-hort. Send them back all the bad feel-
ings you are experiencing......

Remember, Ladies: If the Repigs get another four
years, the Bible nuts will come after us. They
HATE Astrologers. They won't rest until the whole country worships their brand of Christiani=
ty. They don't even consider Catholics Christ=
ians. We have a lot at stake in this election.
We have to fight them any way we can, without in-
curring any bad karma. THIS IS WAR......

Getting back to Astrology, I am surprised that no
one seems to be using Fixed Stars or Declinations.
Try it, I don't have time. But for starters, off
the top of my head, Golgol @25Taurus squares W's
Venus@23Leo, mmmm.....Golgol, also called Caput
Medusa, is the most malefic of the Fixed Stars....
One of his planets in Libra (not the Moon) should
be almost conjunct Vindemiatrix, the 'widow-maker' fixed star......

The minor asteroids and Arabian Parts are also
helpful when things are in doubt.

I'll do anything to help. You are a bunch of
lovely 'Crones'. I'm glad you took me in.

Love and Peace,



Posted by: Corleonis on March 3, 2004 11:40 PM

Hey Corleonis,

Do we guys get to continue to hang out with too? :-) Welcome to the Board. I look forward to your contributions and to you sharing your knowledge on Fixed Stars and such.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on March 3, 2004 11:55 PM

Corleonis,
Thank you for your advice --- I have been all over this board since Saturday... you're right, it helps to talk about it... I just hope you all toss me off for posting so often... Uranus' transit on my cancer stellium will be a long one so I post at some of the political boards.

Again, Welcome, welcome!

Posted by: Jo on March 3, 2004 11:58 PM

Oops, spoke so quickly I misspoke above --- y'all know I meant 'don't toss me off'

Jonathan, welcome back - of course we want you to 'hang with us' --- and everyone else... we all need each other to bounce off now and into ... whatever... Peace

Posted by: Jo on March 4, 2004 12:01 AM

Welcome Corleonis, it's wonderful to have new people join our little blog.And we do have a grand group of readers.

I do think most of us who write on this site use the fixed stars (Algol is at 24 Taurus) and asteroids, and the black holes, and the midpoints but space prevents us from listing all the million of aspects that go into the article and opinions. I will say that GWB's Sun (and US Sun) sits on the fixed stars Dziban (the great robber) Sirus (the bright great radiating one,) and Canopus (problems with the father and authority figures and a difficult end of life) So far all those aspects fit GWB.

Because the fixed stars cast no rays Ptolemy and Addy say only the Conjunction of a fixed star to a planet is accurate and maybe in rare cases the opposition. But not squares, trines or sextiles. GWB actually has some very powerful fixed stars in his chart, plus two eclipses just days before his birth indicating a life of destiny and unfortunately for the US his destiny is completely tied to us or us to him. That's why it has been near impossible to get rid of this man who is so corrupt and even treasonous. Something about the collective US mind that says "he's the one who is supposed to be here at this point in time and that makes me sick.

Posted by: Sally on March 4, 2004 12:57 AM

Don't fret, Morgana. We will live to fight another day. Sure was depressing, though, to get up this morning and see Ahhhhhnold is free to rip us off some more. Govt budgeting by credit card. Dang!

Posted by: shylurker on March 4, 2004 01:41 AM

Pat, I clinked on the link you provided above and sent protest letter re Aristide's removal and forced isolation via the site to my congressinal delegation. Thanks for providing the link.

In your readings have you come across any figures for casualties? They are probably being covered up. I found this article in The Herald about the hundreds of bodies in one morgue in Haiti:"They've been necklaced, been here for three days," pointed out one of the orderlies. Necklacing involves putting a car tyre soaked in petrol around the victim's neck before setting it alight." http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/11104.html

Posted by: Jo on March 4, 2004 01:44 AM

OMG Jo. Poor Haiti.

I haven't seen any numbers yet, but I'll look.

Posted by: Pat on March 4, 2004 02:59 AM

Love you all on this site. What a company of wisdom, compassion, & intuitiveness! Been thinking about the problem of what to do when the brown shirts come. They haven't come yet, for most of us, and the answer is for all of us to start early being as noisy as possible. "Critical Mass" as hexagram 28 of the I Ching says. Remember those Russian grandmothers hitting the young soldiers with their pocketbooks in Red Square when the Soviet Union. (Not that Russia has moved into Utopia--but at least people aren't snatched up and sent to the gulags now.) One way or another this stupid, selfish, cruel, short-sighted Bush administration will fall. Peak Oil and the global warming fiasco seem due to hit about the same time. Anything we can do to steer humankind toward a better, kinder, sane future is all to the good. So let's all be noisy! Tell it like it is, as we said in the 60s. Saturn returns are for "getting what's coming to you" as they used to say in the old gangster movies. So let's keep holding up our grievances in letters to the editor, in supporting groups like MoveOn and True Majority and Verified Voting and Buzzflash, and let's keep demanding that there be an accounting. And let's use our secret weapon--the wonderful timing knowledge given us by the great astrologers on this site.

Posted by: Barbara on March 4, 2004 04:00 AM

I meant to say, "when the Soviet Union fell."

Posted by: Barbara on March 4, 2004 04:04 AM

Amen Barbara!

Jo, here are a couple more on Haiti, but no numbers.

Haiti, Is That One of the Tahitian Islands?
http://www.counterpunch.org/jg03032004.html

Powell and Aide Questioned on Haiti by Panel's Skeptics
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/politics/04CAPI.html?ex=1078981200&en=b87f3a9f7f2f1ada&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

There are a bunch more, but so far so stats.

Posted by: Pat on March 4, 2004 04:07 AM

Barbara, you are a joy. I loved your post about the Russians and I agree, let's just keep telling it like it is.

Posted by: Sally on March 4, 2004 04:26 AM

Like Minded Friends,
I am really enjoying the dialogue going on at this site.
Let me tell you. . .when George Bush was allowed to skulk into the office of the President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. . .I cried for two straight days. Intuitively I knew we were all in for some very bad times. Bush has governed with the inflexibility of an immoral despot. I must believe, for the sake of my own sanity, that if "we" unite together there is no doubt that “We the People” will defeat and kick this despot and his evil buddies back under the rocks they crawled out from under. When that day comes, we will have done more for the cause of unifying families and building a better nation and world than anything any of us have done before.

Posted by: Lilly on March 4, 2004 07:52 AM

http://www.nationinstitute.org/tomdispatch/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=1290

Turse on weaponizing the Wild Kingdom


In a recent dispatch I wrote: "In the context of the ‘war' on terrorism, the Pentagon, like the Blob of 1950s sci-fi movie fame, has eaten everything in sight. It's moved to become not just the last superpower's global gendarme, but its global diplomat, global spy, and through its own advanced research arm DARPA (on which more next week), global scientist." That was my little promise that you would soon find out what it means for the Pentagon to become our most enthusiastic blue-sky environmental science supporter. Fortunately, Nicholas Turse, who continues to write for Tomdispatch on the ever expanding military-industrial-entertainment-[you add on your own tag here] complex, is around to deliver the goods. So sit back, get yourself into an environmental frame of mind, summon up your wildest ideas of nature let loose upon our world and then see how you match up against the dreams of DARPA. ! Tom

The Wild Weapons of DARPA
By Nicholas Turse

When, in October 1957, the USSR launched the first man-made earth satellite, the basketball-sized Sputnik, it caught the United States off guard and sent the government into fits. Not only had the Soviets exploded an atomic bomb years before the Americans predicted they would, but now they were leading the "space race." In response, the Defense Department approved funding for a new U.S. satellite project, headed by former Nazi SS officer Wernher von Braun, and created, in 1958, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) to make certain that the United States forever after maintained "a lead in applying state-of-the-art technology for military capabilities and to prevent technological surprise from her adversaries."


Almost half a century later, what's left of the USSR is a collapsed group of half-failed states, while the U.S. stands alone as the globe's sole hyperpower. Yet DARPA, the agency for an arms-race world, seems only to be warming up to the chase. There may be no country left to take the lead from us, the nearest military competitor being China which reportedly had $65 billion in military expenditures in 2002 (compared to our $466 billion according to GlobalSecurity.org) and which, only in 2003, put its first "Taikonaut" into outer space. Undaunted, DARPA continues to develop high-tech weapons systems for 2025-2050 and beyond – some of them standard fare like your run-of-the-mill. hypersonic bombers, others more exotic.


In an August 2003 article, Los Angeles Times reporter Charles Pillar noted that DARPA has put forth some of the "most boneheaded ideas ever to spring from the government" -- including a "mechanical elephant" that never made it into the jungles of Vietnam and telepathy research that never quite afforded the U.S. the ability to engage in psychic spying.


As former DARPA Director Charles Herzfeld noted in 1975, "When we fail, we fail big." Little has changed. According to DARPA's current chief, some 85%-90% of its projects fail to meet their full objectives. Still, Piller points out, DARPA "has been behind some of the world's most revolutionary inventions" – "the Internet, the global positioning system, stealth technology and the computer mouse."


DARPA's spectacular failure rate and noteworthy successes stem from its high risk ventures. For years DARPA has funded extremely unconventional, sometimes beyond-the-pale, avant-garde research in all realms of science and technology. It is, perhaps, the most creative place in our vast government for a scientist who wants to stretch his or her mind in adventurous directions and be well paid to do so. If you have a wild idea, DARPA's the place to try it out. Said Harvard University pathologist Donald Ingber in a 2001 Los Angeles Times article, "DARPA [has] funded things that a lot of people thought were ridiculous, and some that people thought were impossible. They make things happen."

More....

Posted by: Pat on March 4, 2004 03:55 PM

For what it's worth: CNN.com currently has a poll on whether Smirky's use of 9/11 photo footage in his campaign ads is appropriate.

Posted by: shylurker on March 4, 2004 04:09 PM

Speaking of ads, has anyone else noticed the new Boeing tv ads over the last couple of days? While not overtly mentioning anything political, they seem to be nevertheless taking a decided theme that echos the new bush ads, talking around leadership for our times etc. etc. I wonder, stealth corporate indoctrination perhaps?

Posted by: Jeanie on March 4, 2004 05:45 PM

Jeanie, yes I have. I think it's clear that the media as well will accentuate the problems of Democrats....like the Dean special on "What Went Wrong"....while problems of the Republicans will be whitewashed, or ignored. This administration is the military industrial complex, and the corporate oligarchy. Very scary.

Posted by: Pat on March 4, 2004 07:10 PM

http://salon.com/news/wire/2004/03/04/poll1/print.html

AP poll finds Bush and Kerry tied, Nader at 6 percent

WASHINGTON (AP) -- In the first poll since John Kerry locked up the Democratic nomination, Kerry and President Bush are tied while independent Ralph Nader has captured enough support to affect the outcome, validating Democrats' fears.


The Republican incumbent had the backing of 46 percent, Kerry 45 percent and Nader, the 2000 Green Party candidate who entered the race last month, was at 6 percent in the survey conducted for The Associated Press by Ipsos-Public Affairs.

More....

Posted by: Pat on March 4, 2004 10:45 PM

You do not really believe that poll do you?

Posted by: Betsy on March 5, 2004 02:34 AM

I'm afraid that poll is a little too close for comfort. The "likeability" thing is a big deal in the United States of Moronica. Kerry just doesn't have it, even when he keeps his mouth shut.
Somebody on another political blog said Kerry is Al Gore without all the charisma and pizzaz. And I like Gore a lot, but it's painfully true.

Posted by: bbuster on March 5, 2004 03:31 AM

bbuster,

I suspect that the American people, if the Dems do their job right and remind everyone just how crappy a job Junior has done these past 4 years, will respond to an Authority Figure in the White House instead of 4 more years of Chimp screwing up and falling back on the War on Terror to drive his "numbers" up.

I read an interesting article very recently that said if Kerry wins all the States that Gore won that Bush would only have to lose ONE of the States that he "won" to lose the Election. So, the Dems could take New Hampshire (and all the States that Gore took in 2000) and we'd have the White House back. Sounds pretty do-able to me! I can't imagine those States, facing job losses, failing public schools suffering under No Child Left Behind, outsourcing of manufacturing work, military families feeling nervous and upset, counties and cities awash in red ink, switching from their Democratic choice in 2000 to the Republican that's made everything much worse.

Just my two cents.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on March 5, 2004 03:45 AM

Also, that AP Poll that bbuster refers to, I believe, also mentioned that Nader's 6 per cent draws from the young and from the GOP. I thought that was very interesting, especially in light of how unified the Dems feel behind Kerry.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on March 5, 2004 03:46 AM

Dan Kennedy of The Boston Phoenix

THEN THERE WAS ONE
Can Kerry Survive the GOP's Flying Monkeys?

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/other_stories/multi-page/documents/03650094.asp

I’m with bbuster on the “way to close for comfort polls” that are
showing, at this early date, the effect of Nader’s presence on the Presidential race. (Nader needs to take a long walk off a short pier-Just My Opinion) The Bush vile money machine has yet to roll out their big guns. If you have any doubts read Dan Kennedy’s “Then There Was One” Rove will stop at nothing to keep “The Bush” and his evil war mongering agenda going strong for four more fear-provoking years. Rove never under estimates how easily Average Joe Six Pack can be manipulated and has lots of fun doing so. Although, with Rove I’ve got one of those intuitive thoughts that it’s a lot more than just politics with him. I get the strong vibe that Roves is actually “In Love” with GWB” and just wants to be near him for a while longer. That evil little b-----d has a lot of repressed emotions going on.(Just thought I'd throw that in)

Posted by: Lilly on March 5, 2004 05:45 AM

Yes, Lilly., I agree. Does anyone here watch The Simpsons? Very clever show. You know how Smithers (I think his name is Smithers), Mr. Burn's assistant feels about him? That's Rove and Bush. Rove is star-struck. With all his other serious faults, Rove also has bad taste. Hmm. A chart comparison is in order here. Barbara

Posted by: Barbara on March 5, 2004 12:57 PM

Karl Rove dob Dec 25, 1950 Denver, no time found. I just did the bday at sunrise & put it in Dubya's chart as transits--some interesting connections: Rove's Neptune conj Bush's Jupiter; Bush's Neptune conj Rove's Saturn, Rove's Venus oppos Bush's Sun, and lots more. No telling time of day for Rove, but if it was around sunrise his Moon would be conj Bush's Sun.

Posted by: Barbara on March 5, 2004 01:47 PM

Bbuster, maybe we should stop repeating what the GOP WANTS us to think about Kerry. We allowed the GOP in 2000 to do the same thing to Gore. Personally, when I look at Kerry, I see a smart, sensible, mature man. I take comfort in those qualities. And maybe it's just me, but I like Kerry, as do many of the independents I have talked with.

Shylurker, do we know the final result of yesterday's poll regarding the appropriate use of the 9/11 photos?

Posted by: Janet on March 5, 2004 02:31 PM

Don't forget to get Condi in the mix. Always vibed she was 'in love' with someone in the cabinet. Just not sure who though. Any clues?

Posted by: on March 5, 2004 02:31 PM

I think the campaigns will fire up sooner rather than later, with bush already serving up salvos showing Kerry's inconsistencies in voting for most of the programs bush is now being attacked for (tax-cuts, no child left behind, Iraq war etc). I think the repigs can make this a problem for Kerry.

Posted by: on March 5, 2004 02:39 PM

Anyone in the Senate is bound to have differences in his voting record. Times change and accordingly so do the needs behind the votes. I'm still waiting for someone to use the record of George W Bush as Gorernor of Texas. He brought that State to the second lowest quality in everything among the fifty. Now that's a record to make public. His record is steady....all bad.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 03:45 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4450992/
Go here if you want to vote for the three pres candidates.
Janet, last time I looked it was 37% who were for their using 9/11 in their (BushCo)ads and 63% against. Don't know what the final split was.

Posted by: shylurker on March 5, 2004 04:01 PM

Well, Kerry is doing really well on that poll.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 04:15 PM

http://salon.com/news/wire/2004/03/05/ashcroft/print.html

Ashcroft hospitalized with pancreatitis

Attorney General John Ashcroft has been hospitalized in an intensive care unit for a severe case of gallstone pancreatitis, his chief spokesman said Friday.


Ashcroft, a 61-year-old former Missouri senator who has been free of health problems, canceled an appearance Thursday afternoon at which he was to have announced verdicts in a terrorism case.


Justice Department spokesman Mark Corallo said the attorney general initially believed he had a stomach flu.


"He went home and when the condition worsened, he was visited by White House physician Daniel Parks, who advised that he go to the emergency room,'' Corallo said.


He said Ashcroft was taken Thursday night to the George Washington University Hospital for evaluation.


"After a full medical work up in the emergency room, it was determined that he was suffering from a severe case of gallstone pancreatitis,'' Corallo said. ``He was admitted to intensive care for careful monitoring and is being treated with antibiotics.''


Corallo said he expects Ashcroft will spend a couple of days in the hospital.


Pancreatitis is an inflammation of the pancreas usually caused by excessive alcohol use or, as in Ashcroft's case, a gallstone that blocks the passage leading from the pancreas to the beginning of the small intestine. It also may be caused by infection, injury or certain medications.


Symptoms include sudden, severe abdominal pain, loss of appetite, nausea, vomiting and fever.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 04:52 PM

Janet,
I'm definitely not repeating what the GOP WANTS me to think. If you've read any of my posts here you know my hot button is the parroting of comments by people who obviously have not put a moment of thought to what they think they believe.
I know exactly what I think about Kerry, - a classic-say-anything-do-anything-to-get-elected political opportunist.
I'll vote for him with my nose held, but wouldn't expend a teacupful of the effort I put into having another, authentic, human being elected.

Posted by: bbuster on March 5, 2004 05:46 PM

Lilly,
I always knew that Roves had finally found the "Moron of his Dreams". This is the most sexually repressed assemblage of "manipulative fear provoking hate mongers” since Hitler’s crowd. Remember, our “Fabulous” FBI chief J Edgar Hoover. When you find this much hate and need for control and damming of others it’s just a fear-wall, emotionally built to hold back an ocean full of repression of your own fearfulness and self-disgust. Unfortunately, the Bushites have tapped into that buried fear in much of the American psyche and Rove and his underling know that tapping into that fear is the best way to control. Just look and examine the faces/countenance of the people Bush surrounds himself. . “Now just looking at that crew causes me some real fear”. . . Like Rove they all seem to be running from their inner desires and fears by trying to destroy the very things they find and refuse to recognize within themselves.

Posted by: Carol on March 5, 2004 06:44 PM

Bbuster, well taken.

But unlike people like yourself, who have a well-thought out reaction to Kerry, I fear, similiar to what happen with Gore, when the comedians and the the corporate media whores kept repeating that Gore was stiff, the image hardened in the minds of the public and became a self-fulling prophecy, i.e. if we look at Gore during the '92 campaign and during his debate with Perot, none of the stiffness was evident.

Posted by: on March 5, 2004 07:14 PM

Bbuster, I don't know what's afflicting my planets but...I'm responsible for the post to you, not AT. Sorry.
Possibly liking Kerry is softening my brain (smile)?

Posted by: Janet on March 5, 2004 07:17 PM

I guess those comedians who like to tear down Democratic candidates might want to think really hard about how much they really like living in a "democracy". They can do a lot of damage to whoever they target. It would have been a lot more fun to poke at the sitting President in a strong economy and a world in general peace. Maybe this time Bush will make a better target on late night TV.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 07:41 PM

Martha Stewart found guilty on all four charges.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 08:03 PM

This morning on one of the a.m. News shows they had a demonstration on how easily those voting machines can be tampered with. The woman doing the demonstration (sorry, missed her name) said she pulled the program right off the internet under "how to fix an election" - said easy enough for a high school student to do this! They loaded in the program and the votes were changed automatically with NO record of it being done. It was pretty scarey stuff - and really made the case for the need for paper trails from these machines! Could not believe how easily anybody could just go and fix these machines to recalculate figures to their advantage ... almost shows how this election is going to be rigged.

Posted by: Siobhan on March 5, 2004 08:35 PM

Gawk ... Martha should have taken the stand in her own defense! Huge mistake on her part! I hope she can appeal this decision!

Posted by: Siobhan on March 5, 2004 08:38 PM

Martha's conviction makes me think of Saturn in Cancer (the homemaker). And the fact that Saturn is stationing at 6 Cancer. I bet she has a personal planet at that point. Does anyone know?

Posted by: Laurie on March 5, 2004 09:02 PM

From Louise Hays' YOU CAN HEAL YOUR LIFE
Gallstones:Bitterness.Hard thoughts. Condemning. Pride.

Pancreatitis:Rejection.Anger and frustration because life seems to have lost it's sweetness.

Ah, you can pose Johnnie, but you can't hide (it).

Posted by: bhakti on March 5, 2004 09:21 PM

Gosh, Martha's conviction reminds me of the great book--read it if you haven't yet--by Susan McDougal --"The Woman Who Wouldn't Talk. 2 very different situations but two Dem. women held up to scare the rest of us. Kenny defrauded thousands of their life savings forcing them to buy the same stock he was unloading. Martha sold her own stock and that's all. Who gets punished?

Posted by: Barbara on March 5, 2004 10:14 PM

Martha was a strong supporter of Bill Clinton, huge Democratic donater, and a close friend of Hillary Clinton. I'm sure this sends the big chill as it was intended to do.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 10:24 PM

http://www.cnn.com/

Do you agree with the verdict in the Martha Stewart case?

Yes

No

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 10:39 PM

Siobhan,

Election fraud scares me. I'm glad some in media spoke about it. Thanks for catching it and posting on it. It gives a little hope the issue won't be shoved under the veil of everything else. Hopefully more coverage and awareness will continue up to November.

Laurie,
I recall Martha having a lot of Virgo and Leo in her chart. Sounds about right that something is activating, as you pointed out, Cancer transits.

Bhakti,
Interesting indeed about Ashcroft!

Posted by: Cass on March 5, 2004 10:39 PM

Pat,
Too bad CNN hasn't changed their letters to CIN ( Cable Infotainment Network ). I guess they need to keep their advertisers happy. Sure wish there was a modern version of Sabos to throw in their machines!

Posted by: Cass on March 5, 2004 10:45 PM

Cass, CNN is perhaps criminal in their news reporting and lack thereof.

Posted by: Pat on March 5, 2004 10:52 PM

Astrologers, an off topic-ish question, please. When did Pluto start to transit Sagittarius and when does it finish? If I remember correctly, is it 2008? Thanks.

Posted by: Janet on March 5, 2004 11:33 PM

So it would appear the only tangible thing they could get bill or martha on was obstruction of justice - the coverup was greater than the crime. The same for for Nixon. I didn't realize that Martha was a dem supporter - but it certainly explains away the question as to why they were going after her so vociferously and not the more aggregious cases. I wonder how this may play in the future against all the the Bush/cheney lies?

Posted by: Jeanie on March 6, 2004 02:00 AM

Martha did not steal the retirement of hundreds of employees. I am not condoning her actions, but why isn't Kenny boy in jail? Makes one wonder for sure. Actually, I like Martha and have learned a lot from the programming she puts on. However, I don't condone anyone "cheating," but I certainly hope she doesn't have to spend time in jail.

Posted by: Laurie on March 6, 2004 02:27 AM

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/03/05/politics1758EST0704.DTL

Republicans asks TV stations to pull ads by liberal group

The Republican National Committee on Friday asked about 250 television stations to pull a liberal group's ads critical of President Bush.

The RNC sent the stations a letter Friday suggesting the outlets may be complicit in breaking campaign finance laws if they air the MoveOn.org Voter Fund ads. It asked them to decline to broadcast the ads.

The RNC argues that the group, financed by so-called "soft money," is spending it on ads to influence a federal election. The campaign finance law broadly bars the use of such corporate, union and unlimited donations to influence federal elections.

MoveOn began airing ads Thursday critical of Bush's policies. MoveOn founder Wes Boyd said the ads are legal, and added that the group isn't concerned by the RNC's letter. The ads were financed with unlimited donations from individuals -- one form of soft money.

The ads were originally to air in 17 presidential battleground states over five days at a cost of $1.9 million. Boyd said the group decided Friday to spend $1 million more to run an ad criticizing Bush's economic policies for an additional week in several states.

More....

Posted by: Pat on March 6, 2004 03:20 AM

Speaking of media I just heard that a massive fax, call-in, email campaign has just started to get the networks to ask the questions the 9-11 families want answered. Here's the link to the 9-11 families' site--scroll down to "The Family Steering Committee Statement and Questions Regarding the 9/11 Commission Interview with President Bush" >http://www,911independentcommission.org I can't paste the info for reaching the networks so will post again with that, These 9/11 questions are interesting, folks.

Posted by: Barbara on March 6, 2004 03:35 AM

Here are some of the email addresses--I'm going to contact them tomorrow--I think the moon is v/c most of Sunday so that won't be good.
CBS news w Rather
evening@cbsnews.com
(212) 975-3247
NBC World@MSNBC.com
Nightly@NBC.com
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/

Posted by: Barbara on March 6, 2004 03:45 AM

Thank you Barbara. I'll add my voice.

Posted by: Pat on March 6, 2004 03:53 AM

On the 9/11 families link, the dialogue box says can't be displayed.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 6, 2004 04:03 AM

It will take more than 1 extra state more than Gore won to win the election. What you read did not take into account the new figures after the cesus. There was a big change in the number of delegates to the electorial college.

UNfortunately most of the states that lost deligates were democrates and those that gained where republican. I had the exact figures but can't find them.

Posted by: Jean on March 6, 2004 04:20 AM

The RNC has a lot of gonads asking for ads to be pulling...........again. It's frightening how some people accept it unquestioning. Once again, Pat, Thank you for posting the info. It's so important stuff like this and more is posted often and everywhere. Most of you probably know this already.....It adds to google searches too. Enough people post things with RNC and the crimes they commit, when a person does a google search it'll pop up And I agree, Pat, CNN ( aka CIN ) is criminal!

Seconding also the appreciation, Pat expressed for the media info and contacts, Barbara.

Posted by: Cass on March 6, 2004 04:24 AM

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000452419

WHAT”S NEXT? BOOK BURNINGS AND JAIL TIME FOR SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THE STATE?


NYTimes.com PULL COMIC BECAUSE OF CONSERVATIVES

NEW YORK NYTimes.com said it canceled the use of Ted Rall's editorial cartoons effective March 1 because they didn't fit "the tone" of the popular Web site.Rall, however, believes The New York Time Web site stopped running his editorial cartoons this week because it was tired of dealing with e-mail campaigns from conservatives who don't like his work.

Posted by: Lilly on March 6, 2004 05:18 AM

It' still early so I'm in the process of learning about Kerry and his record. The rap against him from left and right is that he flip flops depending on which way the political winds are blowing. The reason I find that a confusing accusation is that he has been rated one of the most liberal senators -yes even surpassing Ted Kennedy. The rating, I think, comes from examining his many years in the Senate and his thousands of votes. It seems to speak of a strong consistency overall in promoting a liberal agenda.I would think if he's as soulless as people make him out to be he wouldn't end up so solidly in the liberal column but would instead would have a patchwork quilt record which would define him as having no real committment to any political philosophy.
I'm still in the process of learning about him as I said but so far I like him and didn't hold my nose at all when I voted for him on Tuesday.

Jack

Posted by: on March 6, 2004 05:33 AM

Now political cartoons that are critical of Bush!!!!!!. . . I thought it was absurd when I heard they were after AFTER BOONDOCKS " Guess it’s true. . . .What’s next? This country is being taken over lock, stock and barrel by religious fanatics and closet Nazis. Anyone that thinks they will wait and see what Nader has to say before making a decision to vote or not to vote for him or believe his foray into the 2004 election won’t have a negative impact might as well resign themselves, if Bush is re-elected, to total media control, say good-bye to most forms of free speech and bid fond ado to free speech on the internet . . .I guess all of us “Liberals” hiding out in caves will have to resort to smoke signals.

Posted by: on March 6, 2004 05:46 AM

Bush has got to go or it's going to be a lot more than political cartoons and politcal ads at stake. As I write, the Ashcroft Justice Department is “Criminalizing Any and All Forms of Political Dissent” We can discuss and re-discuss until the cows come home whether Kerry passes the Liberal sniff test but folks America is in grave trouble . . . We don’t have the luxury of voting for a Nader or not voting out of principal or protest cause’ Kerry didn’t pass our personal sniff test. We can’t afford to get on our high horses anymore. We must stop wasting our energies criticizing and start mobilizing. If we suffer Dubya another four years anyone that is brave enough to speaks out against him or his government policies will end up in jail or worse.

Posted by: KAP on March 6, 2004 06:52 AM

One thing is for sure, both bonesmen/occultists (W and Kerry) will continue warring against weaker nations that didn't do anything to us. See http://antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=2089

Posted by: Lynn on March 6, 2004 07:13 AM

Worldwide 9/11 phone, fax, email campaign: http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1

Posted by: Peg on March 6, 2004 10:45 AM

I don't know if this is on message, but it certainly did give me a lift!
The Whos down in Whoville liked people a lot,
But the Grinch in the White House most certainly did not.
He didn't arrive there by the will of the Whos,
But stole the election that he really did lose.
Vowed to "rule from the middle," then installed his regime.
(Did this really happen, or is it just a bad dream?)
 
He didn't listen to voters, just his friends he was pleasin'
Now, please don't ask why, who knows what's the reason.
It could be his heart wasn't working just right.
It could be, perhaps, that he wasn't too bright.
But I think that the most likely reason of all,
Is that both brain and heart were two sizes too small.
In times of great turmoil, this was bad news,
To have a government that ignores its Whos.
 
But the Whos shrugged their shoulders, went on with their work,
Their duties as citizens so casually did shirk.
They shopped at the mall and watched their T.V.
They drove a gas guzzling big S.U.V.,
Oblivious to what was going on in D.C.,
Ignoring the threats to democracy.
 
They read the same papers that ran the same leads,
Reporting what only served corporate needs.
(For the policies affecting the lives of all nations
Were made by the giant U.S. Corporations.)
Big business grew fatter, fed by its own greed,
And by people who shopped for the things they didn't need.
 
But amidst all the apathy came signs of unrest,
The Whos came to see we were fouling our nest.
And the people who cared for the ideals of this nation
Began to discuss and exchange information:
The things they couldn't read, in the corporate-owned news,
Of FTAA meetings and CIA coups,
Of drilling for oil and restricting rights.
They published some books, created Websites,
Began to write letters, and use their e-mail
(Though Homeland Security might send them to jail!)
 
What began as a whisper soon grew to a roar,
These things going on they could no longer ignore.
They started to rise up and reach out to all
Let their voices be heard, they rose to the call,
To vote, to petition, to gather, dissent,
To question the policies of the "President."
 
As greed gained in power and power knew no shame
The Whos came together, sang "Not in our name!"
One by one from their sleep and their slumber they woke
The old and the young, all kinds of folk,
The black, brown and white, the gay, bi- and straight,
All united to sing, "Feed our hope, not our hate!
Stop stockpiling weapons and aiming for war!
Stop feeding the rich, start feeding the poor!
Stop storming the deserts to fuel SUV's!
Stop telling us lies on the mainstream T.V.'s!
Stop treating our children as a market to sack!
Stop feeding them Barney, Barbie and Big Mac!
Stop trying to addict them to lifelong consuming,
In a time when severe global warming is looming!
Stop sanctions that are killing the kids in Iraq!
Start dealing with ours that are strung out on crack!"
 
A mighty sound started to rise and to grow,
"The old way of thinking simply must go!
Enough of God versus Allah, Muslim vs. Jew
With what lies ahead, it simply won't do.
No American dream that cares only for wealth
Ignoring the need for community health.
 
The rivers and forests are demanding their pay,
If we're to survive, we must walk a new way.
No more excessive and mindless consumption
Let's sharpen our minds and garner our gumption.
For the ideas are simple, but the practice is hard,
And not to be won by a poem on a card.
It needs the ideas and the acts of each Who,
So let's get together and plan what to do!"
 
And so they all gathered from all 'round the Earth
And from it all came a miraculous birth.
The hearts and the minds of the Whos they did grow,
Three sizes to fit what they felt and they know.
While the Grinches they shrank from their hate and their greed,
Bearing the weight of their every foul deed.
 
From that day onward the standard of wealth,
Was whatever fed the Whos spiritual health.
They gathered together to revel and feast,
And thanked all who worked to conquer their beast.
For although our story pits Grinches 'gainst Whos,
The true battle lies in what we daily choose.
For inside each Grinch is a tiny small Who,
And inside each Who is a tiny Grinch too.
One thrives on love and one thrives on greed.
Who will win out? It depends who you feed!
Author: Unknown
It came from a Deanformaine e- mail group!
Pat QOP 

Posted by: Pat on March 6, 2004 12:16 PM

Peg,
Thanks for the link, those are indeed incisive questions. I will pass that info around locally to our activists!
Pat

Posted by: Pat on March 6, 2004 12:26 PM

If this is what Asscroft and Co are doing behind the scenes the gallstone pancreatitis is telling the world exactly how he's REALLY reacting to his own actions. The emotional/physical body never lie. The dude is conflicted. But his we know. Also, his face and that of GWB get more distorted. Body language is my way of reading them psychically.

Posted by: bhakti on March 6, 2004 02:50 PM

Ted Rall's 'Search and Destroy' can be found in the Village Voice each week; bet you can find it on line. See ya all in the Gulag Detention Camp as I refuse to shut my mouth. As a Goddess infiltrator: my children's book career exposes me to thousands of students each year and I teach about the goddess, Mother Nature. Many young/older students are getting nourished in the desert they call education these days. I am of the belief you do not mess with Mother Nature. These Bad Ol' Boys- Dinosaurs are setting themselves up for a big old Serpent tail whipping. Get the popcorn!

Posted by: bhakti on March 6, 2004 02:58 PM


bhakti:

You said exactly what I have been seeing for a
while. All their faces are distorting as I look
at them. That goes for Cheney, and a lot of
others too. I don't think they are conflicted.

I think the evil nature of what they are doing
is causing the visual transformation that some
of us see. It has been going on for a while,
now. Some would say it is 'evil personified'.

In Cheney's case, I see a snake lowering its head,
while a forked tongue swishes left and right.....
You don't want to know what I see when I look at
some of the others.........

My only consolation is that I KNOW we are being
helped and, 'though the going might get rougher,
"The Great Ones" will not let this Country and
us fall. They waited six months and watched,
on the White House lawn.

They entered the White House roughly one month
ago, I saw them go in from the back, where the
semi-circular balcony is. They have not come out.

Posted by: corleonis on March 6, 2004 03:29 PM

Hi, As stated before, to my personal belief evil=ego. What we see in these faces are the self-sabotaging mental mantras they hold in the physical body. It has bloated their faces and distorted the softness that is usually in the skin and eyes. Holding this energy brings disease. Cheney's mouth in that never ending grrrrr says to me he is one angry dude. (Slimy like a snake, yes). But I give snakes and serpents a GOOD rap since they are goddess symbols.
Unfotunately, these mental mantras (mine is 'I'm sorry' instead of 'exuse me' and I have really been watching my mind take me to the beggar place and catching this 'really sorry' mantra) are being played out on the world stage.
The People is the real remedy for change. The American public voice has faded through addiction to gagets and lots of noise. How can they hear the old mental mantras that keep them in the beggar place when there's too much 'fun' to be had with all their things to shut them up, and shut them down.
I hope the angels will help the People to wake up, put the things down and take charge of their own lives, and generations to come.
Who knows how Cosmic Justice catches up to people. Asscroft can't be feeling good with gallstone pancreatitis. The distorted ones wake up and have to look and see how aged and distorted they look in a mirror, or maybe they think it's normal. Go figure.

Posted by: bhakti on March 6, 2004 04:34 PM

Ray Merriman of "Market Week" on StarIQ site has a pretty depressing take on the presidential elections. Sigh O sigh O.

Posted by: shylurker on March 6, 2004 04:56 PM

Bahkti, I have always been a rather right brained logical thinking person but I've been having these same thoughts - starting about 6 months ago seeing Pat Robertson while channel surfing - his face seemed to morph into what I can only liken to what I imagine to be the devil incarnate - it was quite frightening and sickening. Thats what really got me started with investigating things behind the scenes and led me to resonate with this website and others.

Everyone, I have to share a strong thought/vision that came during meditation this morning. The anger and dark thoughts of fear and hate by so many are being sucked into washington govt enclaves and expanding that energy. Enlightened souls the globe over must begin immediately to shine their strong beams of light, like flashlights eminating from their 3rd eye, to shine the light of truth laser-like onto all in that area; sort of like large floodlights coming in from all directions lighting up all the hidden and dark places that people have not been able to see and leaving nowhere for those that love the dark to hide. The effect was those that were in harmony absorbed the light and it gave them added strength to do what they were trying to do; those that did not want the light went into a peculiar kind of spasm and after a while they all sort of self destructed and vaporized simulaneously with a sort of bright light explosion.
Perhaps the message is that while we need to be aware of dark deeds, we must all make a conscious effort to periodically visualize light streaming into washington so that all the darkness is exposed and overcome. I think while it is important to inform ourselves on what is really going on behind the scenes, we must not stay stuck in the "ain't it awful" mantra which can be quicksands of the mind and perpetuate the dark energy. Maybe others are already doing this and I got the message from them through the ether to join in.

Posted by: Jeanie on March 6, 2004 07:05 PM

WOW, you guys, it is SO nice to know others see facial distortions! Thank you for posting this.

Posted by: Peg on March 6, 2004 07:52 PM

Jeanie, I just read your comment, and want to thank you also for posting it. I started a relationship with a navy man before the war and didn't know how it was going to affect him. Before he left last Feb., he was sweet, open vulnerable. He returned, and was stationed in Maryland, by D.C. in January, and has become someone totally different. He even looks different. I thought it might be from war experiences, but now I believe your scenario fits better. I understand there is truly nothing I can do about it, except pray for him, and send my hopes into the heavens that his free will will somehow allow him to break from the darkness you described. Please, everyone, this is a very real phenomenon, I have SEEN it first hand. We need to help these people who have become unconsciously gripped by all the hatred. I am crying now but want to say thank you so much, with all my heart.

Posted by: Peg on March 6, 2004 08:02 PM

Peg, thanks so much for the tomflocco link--it has the 9/11 questions and contact info to congress etc.--very handy!

Joanna, now I can't get on the 9/11 family site. Will try again before hitting the paranoia button.

Jeanie, I'll give that 3rd eye light a try. Also, thinking about what Corleonis said about "sending it back"--a few years ago a group of fundamentalists were praying for my death (it's a long story) and just to be on the safe side I put mirrors facing out in all my windows. Worked a treat! Everytime I saw one of them he or she would say, "You're getting sick, Barbara, you're dying," and then they would cough and wheeze. I didn't even have a cold for the four or five years this went on.

Posted by: Barbara on March 6, 2004 08:13 PM

bhakti... you have it in a nutshell imo. The Serpent/Life Force, or Kundalini, is what the "Special Elite Low Priests" have been busily blocking & twisting in the collective peoples for the past 4500 years... for sick pleasure & for material gain/power. Spiritually healthy & "unblocked" people can't be used for war; only sickened ones. I think that's one of the lore taught in the skull n' bones... how to control the Serpent power of the "Other."

What if it were Time for the Great Collective Illumination... bringing the Serpent (scorpio) Force up the spine & into the Skull (to put it simply). What if this amazing event has already been initiated & catches Fire, snowballing, exponentially rippling into all beings. What if we are open to it & the disaster we await turns into an incredible mind-boggling blessing... a quantum leap from "human becoming" into "human being." Serpent Power, the double-edge sword.

All this would, of course, make all the steamy mechinations of politicians, power-brokers & Wash DC a moot point & to be pitied, but certainly not "Savior" figures.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 6, 2004 08:24 PM

Shylurker, let's hope Merriman is wrong! Otherwise, we are up a creek w/o a paddle. Yuck, yuck, yuck.

Posted by: Janet on March 6, 2004 08:25 PM

Peg, just read your last post. While I'm working on this third eye thing will be sending you thoughts of strength, love, serenity. My husband (a sensitive Cancer) was a combat veteran. It marked the rest of his life, but yet we were able to know some joy and happy times.

Posted by: Barbara on March 6, 2004 08:30 PM

Peg, sorry to hear of your friend's change in personality. Indoctrination of attitude can take many forms - cults can take many guises. I recently learned that they've discovered vikings would rountinely eat something (I think it was a sort of mushroom), that brought out agressive characteristics before they went into battle. Some people are puzzled by an increased number of suicides and violence within returning ranks - a passing random thought - so many other strange things have gone on, makes me wonder if anything was in their food / innoculations?

Posted by: Jeanie on March 6, 2004 08:33 PM


Good for you, Barbara. MIrrors are a terrific way
of doing it, especially if they cannot be seen from the outside. The Cardinal points should at
least be covered.

Eons ago, when I was young and naive, I found out
the HARD way about psychic attacks. Oh, they are
possible, especially if there are indications of
religious strife in your chart. e.g. Pluto square
JUpiter, square Moon. It usually comes from
women and, present company excluded, the deadliest
of the species.
Constant calling down the white light helps a lot
too. If nothing else, you'll feel or see things
that will alert you.


Posted by: corleonis on March 6, 2004 08:40 PM

Thanks so much Jeannie & Barbara. This is not a fun thing to witness and experience. I don't know everything he has gone through/ is still battling, and he has shut me out. I'm still going to send my love, but have to keep myself strong too. That's why I asked for help. This has been like a life/ sanity saver for me to know you all understand what I am talking about. No one else does. Thanks again.

Posted by: Peg on March 6, 2004 08:48 PM

Jeanie, many many of us have been seeing these 'visage' changes since the Clinton impeachment days. From every spirituality the 'sensitives' have been horrified by what we/they are seeing. I'm working on my full moon article and shining the light into dark places is a good use of lunar energy. I'll be posting later tonight. The energies are there for the taking, use them.

Blessed Be

Posted by: Morgana on March 6, 2004 08:52 PM

Peg, my son served in Gulf I, after he got out (two honorable discharges Marines and Army) it took about six years for the brainwashing to be undone. Their is hope, be patient.

Posted by: Morgana on March 6, 2004 08:56 PM

Barbara, your comment about the mirrors hit home. A few years ago I was having major problems also with a family member who was effecting me so much that I was convinced their horrid negativity and wishes for my unhappiness were having the effect they hoped for. A dear friend who was into meditation suggested that I also do the mirror thing, both mentally and physically. I put mirrors in my bedroom windows as well as visually doing a meditation every day where I used mental mirrors to reflect their negativity back to them. Amazingly it worked like a charm - I got my peace of mind back and they almost shriveled away from their own negative stuff being bounced back to them! They soon left me alone in peace! I think the mirror thing has something to it for sure! Thanks for posting that - and glad it worked for you as well!

Posted by: Siobhan on March 6, 2004 08:57 PM

Illumination of the People? http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/earthmind1.html

Posted by: JoannaOregon on March 6, 2004 09:03 PM

I'm working with a powerful healer, painter, published author, Interfaith Minister, who channels angels with a strong Full Moon meditation tomorrow. Time to intergrate the feminine power as a strong place in our lives. I will tell her of your channeling Jeannie and we will send the light to DC. I want my laser beam 3rd eye to open the lids of the garbage and let the air (mother nature) clean them out herself. She's far more intelligent than what I could ever dream up as a result.
The yoga New Years message is 'Experience the POWER within, Kundalini Shakti' Once the Shakti is awakened the rest IS a moot point.

Peg, stay strong. We are here and are confirming your feelings. You are not alone, it's so transparent to anyone with eyes,ears, hearts and minds.

Posted by: bhakti on March 6, 2004 09:07 PM

Just want to add one more thing - All of a sudden I'm getting an intense headache - perhaps we all need to make sure we put up a 1 way mirror in front of the 3rd eye while sending the light to prevent backlash energy. Thanks for reminding me about the mirrors - visualized or tangible. I first learned of that trick 25 years ago - but haven't needed to use them in a very long time.

Posted by: Jeanie on March 6, 2004 09:14 PM

What a marvelous bunch of posters on this site. It just gets better and better. Wonderful astrologers and intuitive, enlightened, thoughtful and articulate followers.

Maybe we should all put our heads together, pick a good time to meditate, sending white light to the White House, thinking of truth and honesty and openness and love. The dark secrets would have to suffer, or maybe they actually want to escape? One of you talented ones could coordinate. I'm not knowledgeable enough about these things, but I'm raring to go!

Just a thought I had while reading your posts.

Posted by: Laurie on March 6, 2004 09:35 PM

I am grateful beyond words everyone, thank you. Risa D'Angeles suggests that we all recite The Great Invocation on this Pisces full moon 6:14 EST (sounds great to me! I love you all) : The Great Invocation
From the point of Light within the mind of God
Let light stream forth into the minds of men.
Let Light descend to Earth.

From the point of love within the Heart of God
Let love stream forth into the hearts of men.
May Christ return to Earth.

From the center where the Will of God is known
Let purpose guide the little wills of men. The purpose which the Masters know and serve.

From the center which we call the race of men
Let the Plan of Love and Light work out.
And may it seal the door where evil dwells.

Let Light, Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.

Posted by: Peg on March 6, 2004 09:56 PM

Just opened and read the invocation at exactly 6:15!!!!! Freaky.
Happy Full Moon everyone. Blessed Be.

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I guess we're all waiting for Morgana's music!! I know I am!!

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MOR-GA-NA, MOR-GA-NA, MOR-GA-NA......:)

Posted by: Peg on March 7, 2004 01:58 AM

So, while we are waiting, check this out: scroll down to the March 3 entry :)http://www.billmon.org/

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http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/030204C.shtml

The Junk Science of George W. Bush

By Robert F. Kennedy Jr. The Nation March 8, 2004 Issue

As Jesuit schoolboys studying world history we learned that Copernicus and Galileo self-censored for many decades their proofs that the earth revolved around the sun and that a less restrained heliocentrist, Giordano Bruno, was burned alive in 1600 for the crime of sound science. With the encouragement of our professor, Father Joyce, we marveled at the capacity of human leaders to corrupt noble institutions. Lust for power had caused the Catholic hierarchy to subvert the church's most central purpose--the search for existential truths.

Today, flat-earthers within the Bush Administration--aided by right-wing allies who have produced assorted hired guns and conservative think tanks to further their goals--are engaged in a campaign to suppress science that is arguably unmatched in the Western world since the Inquisition. Sometimes, rather than suppress good science, they simply order up their own. Meanwhile, the Bush White House is purging, censoring and blacklisting scientists and engineers whose work threatens the profits of the Administration's corporate paymasters or challenges the ideological underpinnings of their radical anti-environmental agenda. Indeed, so extreme is this campaign that more than sixty scientists, including Nobel laureates and medical experts, released a statement on February 18 that accuses the Bush Administration of deliberately distorting scientific fact "for partisan political ends."

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I too, have been under psychic attack from a woman who had a national reputation working in a psychic research program at Washington University in St Louis.
She was resentful of the time I spent with a 20 year friend and who she had been using to leverage her dying psychic ability off of.
I won't go into great detail but I used a mirror trick also: imagined myself inside a mirrored reflecting ball like they use in dance halls and spun it. I did it as a protection, not to wish her ill, because it was at that point a strong suspicion - just to send back whatever was coming my way - but this woman's life went strongly downhill after that. Suspicions confirmed, and was able to complete the work that friend and I had been doing with no further mishaps.

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