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New Hampshire has long been known to deliver “surprises” in their elections so everyone is waiting on humble tenterhooks to see if New Hampshire will “pick them as the top candidate.

New Hampshire (06.21.1788 1:41pm Concord) is a Cancer State with a Cancer Midheaven, they are going to want to pick someone who “feels” good to them, someone who “feels” Presidential. They will look less at the issues than the “feel” good qualities each candidate projects.

I want to say right up front that I absolutely have NO favorites in this race. My favorite Carole Mosley-Braun is out, so I am free to be objective about each candidate. My predictions will be based on the candidate’s natal, progressed, Solar Arc, Solar Returns and pre-Natal charts, as well as the States they are hoping to win. This will not be an assessment on their character, but on their chances.

At 8:00pm the polls close today in New Hampshire, 14 Virgo is on the Ascendant, 11 Gemini is at the Mid-Heaven. Jupiter is in the 1st house at 17 degrees Virgo (Retrograde) opposing Venus standing at 16 degrees Pisces. The emphasis on the mutable in this chart would indicate a lot of going back and forth on the candidates, with many people waffling at the last minute.

The top 4 candidates would be Clark, Dean, Edwards, and Kerry in alphabetic order.

Each candidate has at least one planet sitting at the 11 degree Gemini Mid-Heaven. Clark with a 10 degree Gemini Uranus and his Moon at 11 degrees Aries sextiles those degrees, he has an opportunity to walk away still feeling like there is a chance for his candidacy, but he won’t walk away with a win. Clark has some work to do in order to stay in the game.

Dean’s Moon is at 10 degrees Gemini conjunct the NH Mid-Heaven, however, Howard Dean’s Mid-Heaven is Pisces ruled by Neptune. At the end of the voting today Mercury, the ruler of both the Ascendant and Mid-Heaven in the NH chart is at 15 degrees Capricorn and squaring Howard Dean’s Neptune. I will say that a few days ago transiting Mercury was sextiling his natal Mercury and trine his Ascendant and that’s when he started his bounce back, also Mercury went over his progressed Jupiter supporting that bounce. His wife was a big help with that “bounce”

Edwards will do better than he thinks and will confuse the media because they don’t know if they like him or not. His Jupiter is 7 degrees Gemini close to the NH voting chart Mid-Heaven. Edwards could end up being the guy voted for because people didn’t know who else to vote for and they want to vote for someone. Pluto is sextiling his Neptune (ruler of his Mid-Heaven) and trining his natal Pluto, this is giving him a power lift for the time being. Time will tell if it stays. Do not count Edwards out, he may still will at the convention by default.

Kerry has the best chance here. His Mars is on the NH voting chart Mid-Heaven at 10 degrees Gemini. Kerry and Edwards have a ton of planets in Gemini putting all that in the NH voting chart 10th house. However, the thing that will create havoc for them both is as time goes on they will seem to flip flop. Gemini’s know what to say to everyone but will say one thing and then the other and seem absolutely sincere, that habit will catch up with them eventually so they are going to have to be careful of their stories. Kerry’s Chiron conjuncts the Ascendant of the NH voting chart and Mercury, the ruler of both the Mid-Heaven and Ascendant is in a trine to Kerry’s Chiron. Kerry had one challenge when Pluto was conjunct his Sun and oppose his Moon and that was prostrate cancer, that challenge or another will plague him this year. Pluto is also squaring his Mid-Heaven and while that doesn’t seem to be giving him problems right now I believe it will when Pluto goes back over that square this summer.

Well it’s ten minutes before the polls close in New Hampshire. We will revisit this state in the fall. I think tonight will see Kerry, Dean or Edwards with be second and third, Clark comes in fourth and Liberman way behind. Kuchinich might be done tonight but look and see to whom he throw his support. Little by little these candidates are beginning to be able to separate themselves from that massive “pack,” and we will be able to more clearly see each one.

For some reason there is a sense that the White House would prefer Kerry as the Dem Candidate, I hope that isn't because Kerry is a Skull and Bones Brother to George Bush.

Sally Cheyne McDonald on Jan 28 | Link
Comments

Thanks Sally!

They've called it for Kerry at 38-39%, Dean 24%, Edwards/Clark at 13%

Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 01:38 AM

My apologies, that was with only 27% of the precincts counted.

Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 01:45 AM

Thanks, Sally! I am also worried a bit about the White House and several other big republican newscasters all seeming to push Kerry. The Skull and Bones connection has me very cautious about Kerry. As I posted under another article here it would be good for all to take a look at the AquaSoul site: www.AquaSoul.com and read the really great article on Skull and Bones there. It has made me take a closer look at things where Kerry is concerned. I tend to get very cautious when I see some of these Repubs starting to push Kerry ... may be something to watch there. Thank you for another great article and your time and efforts on this site!

Posted by: Siobhan on January 28, 2004 02:24 AM

My gut still tells me that in the big, long term picture Dean will change this country more than Kerry, even if Kerry becomes president. As far as the skull and crossbones thing, I think Kerry's experience in vietnam may have tempered any close connection he had with wealthy powerful selfish cliques. His wife seems pretty genuine in humanitarian inclusiveness type views and that says a lot about his inner self. In fact, the more I think about it, the next few years will be incredibly difficult cleaning up after the bush cartel mess. And there will be a scapegoat required for all those that think the president can solve all problems in just a couple of years. In my opinion, it might be better that Kerry to be on the firing line with the good doctor working for change behind the scenes.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 28, 2004 02:54 AM

Siobhan, I've been researching the Skull and Bones society since the mid-eighties because I had researched the Bildeberger Group, Illuminiti, the John Birch society since 1963 and they all led me to the Skull and Bones. I would feel much better about Kerry if he would say he had been a member and it was childish or dangerous or something. The Skull and Bones goes back to the mid 1800's and was a spin off of a secret organization that was being thrown out of Europe because of the problems they caused. Lately there have been two or three very good books written about the Skull and Bones.

If Kerry turns out to be the Dem candidate I will vote for him just to shake up the Bush organization, but I do know that Kerry cannot win without the help or permission of the alumn of the Skull and Bones, if you read the alumn list (and it's published) you will see that they are the very people who "own" America.

Posted by: on January 28, 2004 02:56 AM

Sorry I forgot to add my name to the above post.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 02:57 AM

Thanks again, Sally! I intend to throw my vote to which ever Dem candidate gets the nomination - anything to get Bush out. But, I wonder about Kerry not being able to win without the help or permission of the Alumn of Skull & Bones ... was not Bush a member also? How then does this work, they surely can't throw their support behind both of them at once and I would think they would want to keep "their Boy" in the White House for another term! Sure gives one a lot to think about! Thanks for your insight - always illuminating and well written!

Posted by: Siobhan on January 28, 2004 03:15 AM

It's not just about Bush, their influence covers the entire world, Bush has created a rather large gap between us and the world. They have to balance the pros and cons of Bush. There have always been two thoughts about how to control people, one by force and one by having benevolent dictators, it's always a balance. The question will be if Bush has upset the balance.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 03:38 AM

Sally, with Bush there is no balance.

Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 03:45 AM

Upset the balance: Go Ho Ho! (Just don't go--anywhere--in a small plane.)

Posted by: shylurker on January 28, 2004 03:48 AM

sally, can you tell us, skull and bones knowledge aside, if kerry has any sleaze in his chart?

it makes me suspicious that he just laid back, being called the obvious candidate from the get-go, losing it, then all of a sudden BECOMES the leader..hilary is for him, which leaves a bad taste in my particular mouth (sorry jonathan). and all this..plus of course that he voted for the war, claiming he's like the 'people' and was mis-led...believe me i want it all to be innocent, that he really was misled, bullyed, and really is sad at nite that more soldiers die every day, and really wants to wip bushies tushie..but i can't help but suspect, as i did in 2000 and got possibly confirmed when gore conceeded, that this is all FIXED. fixed against the american people. kerry is a proper politician, meaning he'd concede to a steal, and then there we are, with bush again for another 4 years, turning our country into a mirror of n korea: impoverished, no freedom, with loads of military strength.

can you link us kerrys chart again so we can have a look and see, is this a 'good man', a'politician', or an out an out sleeze ball.

someone here wrote that he spoke out about vietname back in 70, and it was the same man she saw in iowa cause he looked her in the eye..who knows about the mastery of deception though..through a chart we can have some clue. bring it, on?

thanks sally, and forgive my laziness, not trying every other story to look for the link to kerry's chart.

Posted by: Roxanne on January 28, 2004 04:05 AM

Roxanne, I don't think there is a person alive who doesn't have some "sleeze" in their chart, most of us try to control those impulses, that's maturity. Kerry has alot of Gemini and Gemini's are known for talking out of both sides of their mouth, and that Sag Sun opposing his Gemini might expand that problem, however my best friends are Gemini's and Sag's and I find them delightful, youthful, curious, great networkers and extremely resourceful.

Gemini is the sign of genius and insanity and every Gemini I know heartily agrees with that assessment. He has Venus in Scorpio square Pluto so he struggles with jealousy at times, however with his Mars in Gemini that tendency toward jealousy could have the affect of keeping him faithful and we don't need another politician with hidden sexual issues. He has been through a couple of life altering events, Vietnam and prostate cancer so I expect he's had a lot of opportunities to face the truth of himself and that is never an easy task, but one that is necessary if one is ever going to step into their power.

With Venus square Pluto I would say he hasn't had any choice but to face the worst of himself and transform his flaws into strength and healing. He is certainly more aware of people and their issues than GWB who lives in a bubble of illusion and lack of caring or interest, none of these candidates live in the tight self-absorbed world that GWB lives. But is he perfect no, he is not, and I will certainly check and follow up on everything he says.

Kerry's Mercury and Mars sextiles his North Node and that's a good sign for him. Whoever wins in Nov. will get blamed for all the problems that were set up this last 4 years. I heard someone say that there were high powered Dems who didn't want a Dem win this time, they wanted the next four years of Republicans grinding the country into the dust and then ride in on the white horse to take it all back into their hands. Could be true.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 06:37 AM

by the way here is an extensive link to the Skull and Bones complete with a roster, interesting reading.

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 06:41 AM

By the way, don't let the "boogymen" scare you they have been operating in this country since Teddy Roosevelt (the first time a Bonesman occupied the White House) however they were a force by the time of the Civil War. We are just the latest generation to learn of them. If you read any of the information on the site I posted above, be sure and read the "white paper" that was prepared by the Japanese by way of understanding the US foreign policies and by way of understanding the American government

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 07:05 AM

Sally, thanks for the assessment of New Hampshire. You were right on!

On election day, Venus will be at 4 Libra 49. My natal Saturn is at 4 Libra 38. That sounds like disappointment to me, but I'm not sure.

Kerry is my least favorite of all of them so I hope that I will be able to connect with him if he gets the nod. For sure, I will vote for anyone against Bush but I think we need a more passionate candidate - someone courageous enough to make broad changes.

The Skull & Bones thing does not worry me but it would be nice if Kerry would come out and dispel our fears.

Posted by: Laurie on January 28, 2004 10:42 AM

Great link on S&B Sally. Thanks.

Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 01:45 PM

Kerry isn't my favorite either but he wasn't my least favorite so I'll vote for him, but this AM Kerry said "the White House has already started attacking me and that proves I am the person they are most afraid of in 2004." I thought that was a pretty strange statement and if the Dems have identified their one big issue from NH as "just get Bush out," they will make a big mistake and can look for a backlash. They need to keep feeding the US the facts with a side issue of beating Bush. The Dems need to articulate WHY we want Bush out of their, it isn't just because we don't like his smirk.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 03:13 PM

I will vote for the "Boneman" Kerry this November 2, however, the midpoint of failure, Mars/Neptune,conjoins his Sun degree that evening. I hope the Dr. Dean can pull out of his Saturn on his Asc and give us real leadership for this country. Bill Marshall

Posted by: Bill Marshall on January 28, 2004 03:25 PM

Sally, Amen.

Such a simple concept: Give the people a reason to WANT to vote for you. Such a difficult concept for many of the dems to execute.

Posted by: Janet on January 28, 2004 03:26 PM

Janet and Bill you are both so very right. I noticed that mid-point on election night but haven't looked at Bush's midpoints or America's midpoints. This is going to be a long year and I also hope Dean can pull out and that someone can offer us real leadership, offer this country leadership, I haven't seen that yet. Dear God, Bush isn't a leader but people perceive him to be.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 03:43 PM

Bush is in trouble...there were 4300+ write in votes for dem candidates by registered republicans in the NH primary.

Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 04:06 PM

Pat, you're kidding!! I have a feeling you're not! Why isn't this front page news! I watch C-Span every morning and inevitably a Republican calls in, every day, to say he or she will NOT vote for Bush again (usually they are worried about his spending sprees). I can see a trend beginning . . . . (hope)

Posted by: Laurie on January 28, 2004 04:18 PM

Laurie, here's a link for the Repub. primary votes: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/NH_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP Sally, you are looking into exactly what I was thinking about last night, and your thoughts totally mirror my own. Thanks.

Posted by: Peg on January 28, 2004 04:39 PM

There is never going to be a "perfect" candidate for President; at least I have never found one. The turning point for Kerry came when Ted Kennedy endorsed him. That is when his numbers started going back up in the polls. Ted Kennedy has been the most voluble voice in the Senate to oppose Bush and his policies, and I feel that Kerry is the closest thing to having a Kennedy run for office, maybe because he's from the same neck of the woods. I must confess that I'm totally ignorant about the Skull and Bones org. that everyone is talking about, so I don't know what the connotations are for Kerry, but I think he's level-headed, and will make a good President, and he has stated his case against Bush, though not as forcefully as Dean. Dean is a good grass roots candidate, but I think his temperament is much too volatile to hold that office, and he confirmed suspicions about this by his after the Iowa caucus speech, and by proceeding to attack Kerry on certain issues. Don't expect him to give up the fight easily. He's a Scorpio, so it will probably be a political fight to the death for him. He wants to be President and will settle for nothing less. I am beginning to like John Edwards more and more as he speaks about the issues, and he appears genuine, but I think Kerry will win the nomination. Look for the Repubs to start attacking him soon, so all that was hidden about Kerry will be coming out for sure. You can bet that they will spare no effort to dig up the dirt on him. Liberman is out of the running, and there are too many doubts about Clark's past loyalties, but I think he'll settle for a post in the new administration. I still have not had the time to read all the excellent articles posted here, but I expect things will be heating up here as we move closer to the elections.

Posted by: Crystal on January 28, 2004 04:59 PM

Crystal: Dean's temperament is not volatile - this opinion is a product of the media. His wife thinks he is incredibly gentle. He is passionate and that is his "weakness." And in his caucus speech he was speaking to hundreds of screaming fans and the media did a little trick and got rid of the background noise and then played it over and over again with the clear intent of ruining him. And why shouldn't Dean go after Kerry? Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman - they all attacked Dean every chance they got.

Yes, I'm a Dean fan but I also have a sense of fairness and Dean has gotten the shaft. And I know this has been said before, but BECAUSE of Dean the rest of the crowd is more courageous speaking out against Bush. Before Dean there was none of it. I am extremely proud of Dean.

Posted by: Laurie on January 28, 2004 06:48 PM

In digging up the "dirt" the Skull and Bones will not be mentioned by the Republicans, if you look at the list of members you can see that most of them are in the government including the Bushes, this isn't an organization people talk about too much money and too much power. So that will not be an dirt issue the Bushes will bring to the fore.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 06:58 PM

Crystal, this is an article run by CBS and they explain what happend to Dean in Iowa and that the media as a whole did a dis-service to Howard Dean in presenting his speech in an unfair light.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/26/politics/main596021.shtml

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 07:05 PM

I am not a Dean fan, but I, too, believe the media did a serious disservice to him. If an objective person watched Dean's speech, it was obvious that while he spoke, there was a smile on his face. His behaviour of ranting and crazed was falsely labeled.

But, are we surprised at the media's behavior? This kind of crap occurs on a daily basis and is their standard MO.

Posted by: Janet on January 28, 2004 07:53 PM

The Phony Dean Meltdown

http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9815

Posted by: Laurie on January 28, 2004 07:57 PM

Now they have a vidio clip, and aren't afraid to use it. That's who they are....certainly not journalists. We have Pravda.

Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 07:58 PM

http://tinyurl.com/38ju8

Attack on Scrooge McDuck

According to the seers and soothsayers of the right, a terrible new threat confronts America and its inspired leader George W. Bush. Like Shakespeare’s Calpurnia, they warn their mighty Caesar of lionesses whelping in the streets, strange omens and portents in the night sky, and they do fear them. The Wall Street Journaleditorial page has waxed apoplectic; James K. Glassman of the American Enterprise Institute forsees "a great threat not just to the re-election of George Bush, but to our truly open society." Even the Washington Post has expressed alarm. And what’s the cause of all this hubbub? Simple: the Democrats have found a Scrooge McDuck of their own. International financier George Soros, among the richest men in the world, plans to devote a small fraction of his estimated $7 billion to defeating President Bush. The Hungarian-born tycoon, who emigrated from England to the U.S. in 1956, has pledged a reported $18 million to three liberal organizations: $5 million to internet advocacy group MoveOn. org, $3 million to former Clinton aide John Podesta’s Center for American Progress, and another $10 million toward a Democratic voter registration drive.

Sounds ominous, right? By taking advantage of an obscure constitutional loophole permitting even billionaires to oppose Bush, Soros bids to overturn the natural order. As if that weren’t enough, he’s taken to writing books and articles and granting interviews explaining why he believes that Bush’s re-election would have terrible consequences for America and the world.

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Posted by: Pat on January 28, 2004 09:01 PM

Laurie... Thank you for defending our guy, Dr. Dean
Frankly I'm with him to the end, even though the convention transits don't look good (i'm hoping for a VP spot)
Everyone here, please remember that Dean is the only one that has raised 89% of his money from lots of ordinary people giving less than $100.

He doesn't have any special interest. The people are his priority. Unlike Edwards with his trial lawyer fundraising friends (look for the article where his clients where ilegally rasing funds for him)
And then Kerry, skipping the vote for really IMPORTANT bills like Medicare and others.

Posted by: Citlalli on January 28, 2004 10:04 PM

How would you go about predicting the outcome of Tuesday's primaries in 7 states? Would it be necessary to look at each state individually?

Posted by: Theresa on January 28, 2004 10:52 PM

I still really like Dean too and will continue to say so until it becomes less important to stand up and be heard. Methinks Ben Franklin would have liked this guy, and that for me says it all.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 28, 2004 10:54 PM

Looks like we have a horse race. Kerry has a long way to go in convincing me he isn't Bush lite. It would be nice if Kerry did address the Skull n' Bones association, Dr. Dean as well. Better still these illustrious alumni should wield their influence to have Geronimo's remains returned to the Apache people. Edwards didn't attend Yale did he?

Posted by: Morgana on January 28, 2004 11:16 PM

Theresa, that's exactly what you do. You take the state charts (progressed and Solar Arc) the date of the election, the candidates charts (progressed and Solar Arc) and synthsize the information. There is a lot more one can do to pin it down (midpoints, past history, fixed stars etc) but it takes several days just to do it this way. By using this method, during the 2000 election I predicted accurately the winner in every state except FL. and in that state I predicted Gore.There were a few states that I had to use the candidates pre-natal and Draconic charts, because it wasn't totally clear.

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 11:20 PM

No Morgana, Edwards did not attend Yale and Dean was not a member of Skull and Bones

Posted by: Sally on January 28, 2004 11:21 PM

I gave money to D.K. in Jan., next month I'm giving to Dean. I sure hope Trippi doesn't bad mouth him now, the Dr. needs a serious break.

Posted by: Peg on January 28, 2004 11:41 PM

Trippi has left the Dean campaign and it has been taken over by Roy Neel.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/index.html

Posted by: Laurie on January 29, 2004 02:10 AM

Sorry folks, but I just have to reiterate that bush CANNOT be "re-elected" as the jerk was never elected in the first place. And if you as an individual want to make sure that your vote is counted, go NOW to your local county's website and apply to be a permanent absentee voter - then you don't need to worry about those Diebold machines that are rigged to let bush take it away again without the votes.

Posted by: Baraka on January 29, 2004 02:23 AM

At a caucus planning meeting for our town tonight, I mentioned the fact that Reuplicans are writing in votes & was told ( by a fairly sophisticated nationally published writer ) that the write-in Republicans are pulling a scam trying to tilt the Dem. candidate to their advantage, then will vote for Bush in the Rep. primarys. this information was verified by the convener with the rule books in his hands!
I downloaded & read the article about the skull & crossbones society!
I fired a Yale Graduate ( Fine Arts Degree) back in 1977, because he couldn't paint willow leaves as well as my 2 teenager. I had a Yale Graduate as teacher when I returned to Art College ( at 57 in 1996) to learn computer skills. I've been trying to figure out what is wrong with Yale & its teaching philosophy for several years now.
No 1 observation...all the sources were published prior to 1995! Most before 1990. Now all major publishing houses are under 5 corporations. Viacom
( CBS) , ( Rupert Murdoch's holdings among them)
We won't be getting much new information about it!
Yes Kerry is a member...........and so was Senator John Heinz, before his death ( J Kerry married his widow!) and both of them were involved in the CIA with G H W Bush & Co, who was involved as early as 1960, tho those papers have been sealed away now!
In an interview with Dean's brother on c-span, Bill Dean said Howard was not a member.
Was his brother Chris ( the one killed in Laos a member & killed doing something for the CIA?)
Is Howard's Presidential run a personal vendetta?
I'm backing him to the bitter end, but that thought crossed my mind & I thought I'd throw that out.
Queen of Pentacles

Posted by: Pat on January 29, 2004 03:06 AM

Excuse the long post but thought it was a very good read.
The States of Iowa and the Union Agree: Bush Can Be Beaten
By Harvey Wasserman
The Free Press

Is the tide turning? George W. Bush and his puppetmaster Karl Rove tried to upstage the Democrats with a State of the Union Address full of tricks and gimmicks, martian distractions and rattling sabers. It backfired. The stunning results from Iowa far overshadowed Bush's lame, malapropic stump speech. Space travel, gay marriage, steriods in baseball, these are the burning issues for a Republican Party smug enough to be certain they can steal any election. The week's signature GOP moment came from Tom DeLay's Texas, where a woman who sells vibrators was arrested for possessing more than two. In a state that's just been redistricted to prevent any Democrats from going to Congress, we see the GOP as the ultimate Luddites. Are Texas men that insecure? What will they ban next? Massage oil? Come November, we can expect Osama bin Laden to be miraculously "found" whenever Rove decides the timing is best. A terrorist attack will explode here or there precisely as the Democrats gather steam. Bush may dump Dick Cheney into a cardiac unit to grab headlines and expand his base. Remember, please, that Karl Rove, who runs the Bush apparatus, cut his teeth as a "Dirty Trickster" for Richard Nixon. Bush's father was elected in 1988 in the infamous "Willie Horton" campaign, the most racist in modern history. These amoral assassins will fling the lowest available dirt on whoever got in their way, and nobody has mastered the craft better than Rove. With unlimited money to spend, your worst ethical nightmare is their bottom line. But we're seeing a pattern here. Every time Bush jumps in the polls, he slumps back down. From the gigantic rush he got after his "trifecta" on September 11, the polls fell to where they were before the terrorist attacks. From his "Mission Accomplished" flashdance on the decks of the Abraham Lincoln, back down he crashed as the bloodshed continued. From the "miraculous" capture of Saddam Hussein (where is he now?) the polls again plunged as the grassroots Iraqi resistance goes on. From the "booming" economy we see the Bush bounce going flat as no jobs materialize and deficits soar while the dollar slumps. In short, George W. Bush is still George W. Bush: ruthless, corrupt, untrustworthy, closed-minded, authoritarian, inarticulate, intellectually challenged, programmed, cynical, dishonest, violent, a draft dodger and a religious fanatic who believes he speaks to and for God. Through the Christian Coalition the GOP has a solid activist base of fanatic puritan fundamentalists unparalleled in US history. They have unlimited money. And they have control of the mainstream media, whose endless gush of right-wing bloviaters has just one mantra: "Bush will win, Bush will win, Bush will win."
But they can be beaten. Here are some of the things that must happen:
1) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: As push comes to shove, there is only one issue in this campaign: will the votes be honestly counted. As Stalin infamously put it: it doesn't matter who casts them, only who counts them. We know that the 2000 election was stolen, and that the GOP would be more than happy to do it again through rigged voting machines without paper trails, the computerized disenfranchisement of "convicted felons" and other suspected Democrats, and whatever else Rove & company can come up with.
2) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: In 2000 Al Gore sat passively and watched as the White House was stolen. This time, all serious candidates must hammer at this issue, over and over. Rep. Rush Holt's bill now in Congress to require a paper trail for computerized voting machines is just a start, but it's a good one. The Democrats must get that passed or let the nation know why it didn't, and what that really means if the GOP claims victory in November.
3) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: But it won't be enough just to raise the issue. In every state there must be campaign committees explicitly charged with fighting pre-election disenfranchisement, as happened in Florida and elsewhere. There must be extensive inspection of all voting machines, ballots and other election procedures. The polls must be monitored. Unless the Democrats take concrete, effective steps to guarantee a fair vote count, there's no reason to bother with this election at all.
4-10) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: It may also not be sufficient for the Democrats alone to do this. Serious petitioning must now be done to the United Nations, the government of Switzerland or whoever else might serve as a honest broker, willing to serve an international watch dog function to help guarantee the coup that began in 2000 is not given four more years to solidify power.
11) THE HOUSE MUST BE RE-REDISTRICTED: Through redistricting the GOP has already guaranteed that the Democrats have virtually no chance of ever re-taking the House of Representatives. In one fell swoop, with typical vicious cynicism, Rove and DeLay have eliminated a dozen Texas Democrats even before the election is held. Nationwide, the system is now so twisted Democrats could carry the composite House vote by a wide margin and still end up vastly outnumbered on the floor. This was not the intent of the nation's Founders and must be changed, by Constitutional Amendment if necessary. Millions of us, especially in urban areas, have been effectively disenfranchised for years. The Democrats must publicize this curse on the Congress, and then do something about it.
12) PREPARE FOR RACISM & HOMOPHOBIA---The stench from George H.W. Bush's racist 1988 Willie Horton campaign still taints the presidency. In 2000 the GOP machine specifically targeted African-American and Jewish voters in Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas and elsewhere with Jim Crow tactics that threw those states---and the election---to Bush. This year we can expect similar racism and the smearing of gays and whoever else might be available to mobilize the extremist "religious" right. Somebody should replay those Willie Horton ads to remind the nation who these people really are.
13) ENOUGH ABOUT RALPH NADER, ALREADY: For four years Democrats have indulged in blaming Ralph Nader and the Greens for "losing" the 2000 election. But Al Gore won by 500,000 votes. Add Nader's 2.7 million and 2000 represented a powerful Dem-green mandate, which Bush aborted. THAT'S what the Dems should have been screaming about for the past four years.
14) BUSH-ROVE WERE GOING TO STEAL THE ELECTION NO MATTER WHAT: Nader's supporters were not the mindless property of the Democratic party that Ralph somehow hijacked. And a GOP capable of stealing 16,000 votes in a single Florida district was more than capable of stealing all they needed, Nader or no.
15) PICK UP THE PHONE: Nader remains the most effective citizen activist in recent US history. He still draws huge (paying) crowds. He has a phone. And an office with a door that opens. So do the activists who chose to support him, and may yet again if the Dems repeat their folly of 2000. A few phone calls, some meaningful conversation, a search for common ground, some POLITICS, and maybe the Dems can mobilize at least part of an activist hard core they absurdly blew off in 2000. There's absolutely no excuse for doing otherwise.
16) FORGET THE CONFEDERACY: Conversely, those folks driving around with Confederate flags are going to vote for Bush. The old Slave South (Bush's REAL taproot) is not going to come around. But as Norman Solomon and others have pointed out, the Hispanic southwest (Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado) is in reach and need to be worked on. If, by miracle, Florida or Texas can be got, it's with Hispanic, not racist white votes. How about New Mexico's Hispanic Gov. Bill Richardson for VP?
17) REMEMBER THE ENVIRONMENT: Not even the bought corporate media can hide that Bush has launched a total kamikaze assault on the natural planet. This is an issue the resonates even with much of the fundamentalist right. Mother Earth is still right up there with apple pie. Forget the Confederate flag. Wave the Green one!!!!!
18) REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT: Bush's one legitimate applause line was that the Patriot Act is about to expire. Even right wingers like William Safire have been lining up against it. The Dems startled poor Georgie when they clapped for that line in his otherwise pathetic State of the Union. Much of the nation, left and right, feels the same. Use it!
19) REMEMBER WATERGATE AND VALERIE PLAME: Somebody very high up in the White House, probably Karl Rove and/or Dick Cheney, has committed a serious felony (and pissed off the CIA) by outing covert operative Valerie Plame. This cancer is eating away at the junta's core. If there is a single issue to push push push alongside the economy, that may be it. Think dagger to the Constitution. Think Dick Nixon, August 9, 1974, getting on that Plame...er, plane.
20) YOU GOTTA BELIEVE: The mainstream mantra that Bush can't be beaten is only true if we let them steal the vote count again. They've got the money. But they've got Bush. The "inevitability" of his victory is as deep as the headlights in his deer.
21) THE HARDER THEY COME: Our theme song. Buy the Jimmy Cliff album. Dance the dance. "...as sure as the sun will shine.......the harder they come, the harder they fall, one and all....."

Posted by: Carol on January 29, 2004 06:37 AM

Great post Carol. Do you think George is beginning to ask "why don't they like me?" Comedy Central with Jon Stewart has a clip on his site of his interview with John McCain, it is hilarious. McCain was blasting Bush and he said the Moon to Mars idea was first introduced by his father in 1988 and he thought they had reverted to using old speeches.

Posted by: Sally on January 29, 2004 10:27 AM

My mother is a Republican who's completely fed up with Bush, for real. She reads my copies of The Nation and rails against him. She's going to change her registration to Democratic in the primaries and try to help elect a Democrat. they're losing voters. I also hear it on CSpan.

Posted by: Tricia on January 29, 2004 05:03 PM

BiblioTherapy: I urge all of you who are obsessing about the 'Skull & Bones' to get a copy of a wonderful book, "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. What Kerry did as an undergraduate is mitigated by his subsequent life experieince. He --changed-- in Viet Nam (unless, of course, we are to believe that his anti war activity was all a giant ruse to position him as a conservative in liberal clothing--deep cover a al The Manchurian Candidate). We all have philosophies, organizations, and affiliations which, I am sure, many of us reject quickly or over time (often times with regret or chagrin). Look at the man's record! He began politics as a liberal and he remained one when it was uncomfortable. One of the strongest endorsements of him as a person is the obvious respect and love of him by his step children. Losing a father and acquiring a new one is often traumatic, yet these children from the previous marriage love the guy.

If you want to follow a strong subtext of the coming campaign (I'm sure astrology would contribute mightily) it's the 'manliness' theme. From Iowa on, it is apparent that the Kerry campaign and Kerry himself are goading Bush on he 'manliness' issue. "Bring it on", war heros on stage, the threats to physically evict lobbyists from the White House...these are all code words for, you guessed it, GUYS. I'm a believer and practicer of gender equality. However, I will enjoy watching the psdueo Cowboys from the Bush team try to extol their leaders manliness in comparison to a guy with real credentials.

I'm with Michael Moore -- I'll endorse and work for any of the non-Lieberman 8!!!

Mike

Posted by: mike on January 29, 2004 06:02 PM

The puppeteer rowe and his puppet shrub,cheny are
surely getting desperate. That's why, now the begging to the UN to help them from their quagmire in Iraq and also the sudden itch and urge
to start searching in Pakistan for Osama from Feb
March hoping to capture him and thus sway the Nov
elections. Dream on or rather nightmare on, this
kind of easy success will not happen to the real
evil cronies in the WHouse,no way jose!This is the repeat of 1980 elections when the father evil
and reagan asked Iran to hold on to the hostages
til Nov elections and not to release them before
Nov 1980.Who and How much bribe went in at that time for the iranians, no body knows and the media
doesn't want to know.But it ain't going to happen
in 2004, guaranteed!

Posted by: Raj on January 29, 2004 07:28 PM

I had lunch today with a physician friend of mine. She told me that two days ago her office nurse had her boyfriend come by the office to meet her. He was a Special Forces Marine that had just returned from a tour in Afghanistan. Over lunch he began talking about his experiences in Afghanistan. He told how he had lost his faith in the military and the Bush administration. But the bombshell was that the Special Forces group he was assigned to had captured Osama Bin Laden early on in the Afganistan war. After they captured him they were directed to take him to an undisclosed location and turn him over to another group of military intelligence. He said "Honest to God I saw Bin Laden with my own two eyes". She said she was certain this young man was telling her the truth.

Posted by: Carolyn on January 29, 2004 08:23 PM

I wonder what would happen if he told Wesley Clark that information?

Posted by: Pat on January 29, 2004 08:51 PM

http://tinyurl.com/286yj

Red (Ink) Dawn

"The Bush administration is deliberately engineering a fiscal train wreck of unprecedented magnitude that can only be avoided if Bush's policies are reversed, and reversed soon. Just a few days after George W. Bush sunnily predicted that "we can cut the deficit in half over the next five years," new numbers from the Congressional Budget Office are showing just how far off the mark that promise is. CBO has projected a new tide of red ink, beginning with a record $477 billion deficit in the current fiscal year. CBO has also raised its estimates of cumulative deficits over the next 10 years by a cool $1 trillion, compared to its last report in August of 2003 -- despite improved assumptions about economic growth. With the higher deficits, CBO also anticipates much higher annual interest payments on the national debt, reaching and remaining above $300 billion by 2009.

Just a few days after George W. Bush sunnily predicted that "we can cut the deficit in half over the next five years," new numbers from the Congressional Budget Office are showing just how far off the mark that promise is. CBO has projected a new tide of red ink, beginning with a record $477 billion deficit in the current fiscal year. CBO has also raised its estimates of cumulative deficits over the next 10 years by a cool $1 trillion, compared to its last report in August of 2003 -- despite improved assumptions about economic growth. With the higher deficits, CBO also anticipates much higher annual interest payments on the national debt, reaching and remaining above $300 billion by 2009.

But the fiscal situation is actually far worse than these scary numbers suggest. This is because CBO assumes all current federal policies will continue unchanged, including the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at the end of this decade. The president, of course, wants to make those tax cuts permanent. The CBO numbers also do not include changes in the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT), which will soon begin to raise taxes on millions of middle-class families if nothing is done. Finally, CBO assumes that Congress will hold down non-defense discretionary spending to historically low levels, a very bad bet, especially so long as the economy is relatively sluggish.

Former Progressive Policy Institute senior economist Jeff Lemieux, who now runs a useful policy analysis site called Centrists.org, has a "No-BS" baseline budget estimate that corrects all these omissions in the CBO report. He conservatively estimates that under Bush policies the national debt will climb more than $2 trillion beyond the CBO estimates, and no telling how much higher beyond that, as the baby boom retirement wave spikes Social Security and Medicare expenditures.

Whether you accept CBO's alarming but very optimistic numbers, or Centrist.org's terrifying but realistic take, one thing is very clear: We are not going to just "grow our way" out of the current and future deficit and debt crises. Both CBO and Lemieux assume continuing economic growth rates well above historic averages, and don't factor in (though Lemieux does note) the likely economic damage that these levels of continuing debt could cause. The Bush administration is deliberately engineering a fiscal train wreck of unprecedented magnitude that can only be avoided if Bush's policies are reversed, and reversed soon. Lemieux finds hope in a growing conservative backlash, among think tanks and in Congress, against Bush's sea of red ink. But so long as conservatives continue to support this president, their concerns won't mean a thing.

Conservatives love to compare George W. Bush to Ronald Reagan, whose free-lunch policies helped to create the mountain of national debt that the country finally began to chip away at toward the end of the Clinton years. But the better precedent may be Richard Nixon, whose obsessive drive for re-election in 1972 sacrificed the long-term national interest and damaged the U.S. economy for years. All Americans should hope that this bit of history does not repeat itself."

Posted by: Pat on January 29, 2004 08:54 PM

Kerry's chart is very dynamic, full of movement and energy. The Moon is two hours from being exactly Full in Gemini and applying to a conjunction with Saturn, and square the MC of Denver.

The Full Moon was the penultimate one before the Penumbral Lunar Eclipse on February 9th 1944 in mid Leo. As this man stirs our consciousness in 2004 as the leading democratic contender for the 2004 US election it is fascinating to note that his progressed astrological chart has recently 'arrived' at the time of this lunar eclipse. John's third progressed Full Moon, this eclipse, occurred in his astrological chart in August 2003. At this 'high tide' point in his life we meet the man.

Four planets in Gemini dominate the chart of this Sagittartian soul born shortly after Sunrise with Sagittarius rising. There is a predominance of mutability in the chart. Hence the movement and transmission. This man transmits energy. There is here, fearlessness, (Sun rising in Sagittarius), pragmatism, (Mercury in Capricorn), diversity, (the stellium in Gemini), agility (Mars in Gemini), passion (Venus in Scorpio), and an eye for detail (Virgo on the MC), quite a mixture.

At the time of this chart, Uranus was setting at Denver, his birth place. The Full Moon was rising at Moscow and Tehran as he took his first breath. Mars rose at Baghdad, Pluto was aligned to Jerusalem, Mercury was setting at Kabul and was on the MC of London. Pluto was aligned to Hong Kong, Jupiter to North Korea and Venus to Beijing. There is enough information here to warrant further investigation!

John Kerry's progressed Moon is still in Leo in the immediate wake of the eclipse mentioned above in early 2004. This Moon enters Virgo on July 10th 2004 and will be immediately besieged squaring Uranus in Dec. 2004, and squaring Mars in May 2005. A tough and brittle time will ensue, testing the spirit and mettle of this man.

At the time of the US election on November 2nd 2004, Jupiter is sextile natal Pluto, and Pluto is square his MC. Let us say no more at this point (Jan 30th 2004) until we see if he gets the democratic vote to run for president.

Posted by: Michael Harwood on January 29, 2004 09:07 PM

Oh darn! Now I AM frustrated. Michael!

Posted by: Pat on January 29, 2004 09:59 PM

Looking at the bigger picture, I think with Kerry having a Capricorn Mercury, if he is to be the final nominee, he needs Deans Scorpio Mercury to help with the more original ideas and passion to get there. Dean, even if he may not be president in the end, he will be a very important element in helping promote and usher in ideas related to the new age that is on the cusp. We all know that this pResident is the spokesman for men behind the scenes. If Kerry can continue to embrace Dean's message, it really doesn't matter who ends up by being in front.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 29, 2004 11:44 PM

Carolyn I think you can be sure that Bin Laden will be caught this year, in fact I would bet on it and I would bet your friend is correct about the young serviceman's information. I just wonder if the Bush family has cleared it with the Bin Laden Families and the Saudishttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/01/29/international1522EST0673.DTL&type=printable

Posted by: Sally on January 29, 2004 11:47 PM

I just heard that Bush is going to propose a big increase in the funding for the National Endowment of the Arts. Rush Limbaugh (who I can't stand) is blasting him for it. The Repubs are throwing money at everything. What are they trying to do? Is GWB trying to sabotage his own reelection? I would imagine that most Democrats won't vote for him no matter what he throws money at and he's really ticking off the right wing of his own party. Why is he trying so hard to shove this nation further into debt? Does this show in his chart -- this irresponsibility with OUR money.

Posted by: Theresa on January 30, 2004 01:43 AM

Sorry, didn't mean to refer to Bush's "reelection" since he wasn't elected in the first place.

Posted by: Theresa on January 30, 2004 01:44 AM

Would someone please take a careful look at the Democratic Party chart and see what future trends are? I want so badly to see the Democratic party leadership shaken up. They have not served us well. The "Bush Lite" argument of not too long ago is an example of how far they have deviated from representing us ordinary folks and their "big cave" on the Iraq War and "Patior" Act illustrates how far they have deviated from providing us with leadership. Many thanks!

Posted by: shylurker on January 30, 2004 01:54 AM

Have y'all read Geneva's new article over at Higher Level Astrology? Interesting.

Posted by: Patricia on January 30, 2004 12:17 PM

Read Geneva's article. Short version:
If either Kerry or Clark, no matter how good it looks now (esp Kerry) get the nomination, they will lose.
Tuff stuff going on for Dean now but if he survives ( Saturn's gift: if it doesn't kill you it makes you strong) He Will Win.
And he will need to be strong or made strong, those thieving RePukes will throw everything at him. (Or Kerry, or Clark)

Posted by: bbuster on January 30, 2004 03:07 PM

i'll read geneva's article..i'm not too surprised though. usa always gets what they deserve. we've had men dying in the past week and then some powdered asshole comes on the tv saying dean's message didn't work? that man needs a grenade in his face i suppose.

i've had such a bad taste in my mouth in regards to the dems and repugs ganging up on dean (sally you called it, weeks and weeks ago)pushing him out on no basis whatsoever..that i find it hard to be able to find myself rooting for kerry..plus my best friends have been geminis, BUT gemini can very likely = duplicious (more than any other sign, hello?)..and that mars in gemini is defined as cruelty in the book of thoth..as of now, personally, i'll probably go third party AGAIN..and move out.

Posted by: Roxanne on January 30, 2004 05:31 PM

bbuster, glad to hear someone else voicing what my gut is telling me. Thought I was crazy for a moment there. However, maybe there is another interpretation. I think whoever gets to be president this next time around will be crucified by the public because they will want an instant fix - a sort of lose/lose perhaps. I'd much rather have that be Kerry, leaving Dean's brains and hutzpah intact behind the scenes ready to rise like a phoenix again for the common good. The trouble in this country, we look at things in terms of 4 years instead of 40.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 30, 2004 05:42 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/30/politics/campaign/30MEMO.html?hp

Democrats Spoiling for a Fight

Posted by: Pat on January 30, 2004 06:02 PM

No matter who gets the Democratic Presidential nomination in the end the main focus should still be "paper trail" "paper trail" "paper trail" .. without a paper trail from those voting machines I don't care who is running or what the astrological good/bad forecast may be for him to win/lose it will still be a no-win situation in the end. The Repubs are not going to give up easily and the voting machines will be the things they can easily use to deceive the public -and no way to go back and check anything without that paper trail. We have already applied within our county here for permadent absentee ballot status so we can write in our vote and make it count! Don't trust those machines ....!

Posted by: Siobhan on January 30, 2004 06:53 PM

Roxanne, I hope you're not really going to move out--stay and fight. In the late '60s I was in college ten years older than the majority of the students. Loved the hippies, tho from my advanced age I could see they didn't have much perspective. One rad student was explaining to me it was important to destroy everything (society) so something new and better could be built. I replied, "no, no, no--you don't know how much good you've got here--just change what needs to be changed." -- Well now it looks like the idiot neo-Cons are destroying everything. If they suceed, we are going to need everyone to overcome them and build something new and better. By the way Clauda Dinkins uses a chart for 12 AM election day, Dixville Knotch
as an election chart. I looked at the one for 2000 and the one for 2004, and 2004 sure does look happier, somehow.

Posted by: Barbara on January 30, 2004 08:28 PM

Siobhan, meant to thank you for your comments. Write your Senators and ask them to sign on to Bob Graham's bill mandating a paper trail in time for 2004. You are so right--we have to fix that now.

Posted by: Barbara on January 30, 2004 08:32 PM

Well, I certainly agree about the paper trails. We need proof, proof...show me the proof. And isn't this timely: According to this mornings paper: The county next to us is thinking about updating to touch screen voting machines. Diebold no less. Of course I live in Ole Virginny the state where most of it's citizens are still of the 19th century mindset. The Civil War is big business around here. Sexism and racism is alive and well. Y'all stand for the playing of DIXIE, now. Pardon my sarcasm, but after a while you just want to tell everyone to go f___themselves. By the way I was born and raised here. SIGH.

Patricia

Posted by: Patricia on January 30, 2004 08:54 PM

Barbara here is a quote from a good Republican, Grover Norquist: "I only want to shrink government down to the size where it can be drowned in the bathtub."


I do hope no one is dumb enough to not vote for the nominee or to start a third party candidate.


Maybe it's just me, but I think it is dangerous to put anyone on a pedestal of expectations. No one can stay there....not Dean, Clark, Kerry, Edwards, or any of the rest. If the neocons get reinstalled, you can kiss your future good by. You will secure your destiny as one fodder unit.

Siobhan, right you are!!

Posted by: Pat on January 30, 2004 09:00 PM

Barbara - we have done just as you suggested and did write to our Senators about Bob Graham's bill to ensure a paper trail for all voting machines. Wish many more would write also! Patricia - I can relate to the southern mind-set as we live in Alabama where Christian fundamentalism rules as does racism and the 19th Century mindset. All you have to do here is clutch a Bible to your breast during elections and you are a shoe-in to get the spot. I'm so sick of political ads here where the issues are never discussed, only one candidate after another trying to prove they are the better Christian in order to win the election. Some have even gone to far as to have themselves pictured with their families sitting around the dinner table holding hands while they all pray aloud - others drag their church Ministers on camera and have the dear Pastor tell the world how religious they are and what good church goers. Nobody asks what their stand is on anything or gets their viewpoint - it's always the Christian issue and then the southern churches here get behind their guy who they elevate next to the right hand of God. We are sick of it too - the "F" word gets used a lot around here during election times! Our neighbors who are all born-in-the-south "Christians" all support Bush who they feel is "so God-like" since he just about waves a banner to get the attention of the Christian right. What they can't see is that he wears his religion on his sleeve anytime he can just to get a vote - and if he were really so "Christian" in his heart he would see that he himself has broken one of the Ten Commandments he has vowed to uphold, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", by starting a war and killing thousands of innocent people in Iraq. Don't get me started ... it's hard to live here and understand the southern mind-set when you grew up in the much more tolerant north. When I hear "Dixie" played anymore I just about get sick.

Posted by: Siobhan on January 30, 2004 09:30 PM

Carolyn, your post about the special services Marine is just driving me crazy. Did you ask him if he had any proof? Or could he get it - any possibility at all? Does he know which division of the SS Marines took him into custody? If he has ANY info on it at all, he should at least send it anonomously to Henry Waxman, NOT Clark. It should not go to a military guy, nor should it go to someone who is running for president. Waxman is a terrier with info like that. I know it's probably all for naught, but holy crap! It would n't hurt to send an anonomous fax... Henry Waxman's fax #: 202/225-4099 (DC) or 323/655-0502 in LA.

Posted by: Lucy on January 30, 2004 09:39 PM

"I am also worried a bit about the White House and several other big republican newscasters all seeming to push Kerry. The Skull and Bones connection has me very cautious about Kerry. As I posted under another article here it would be good for all to take a look at the AquaSoul site"

It does make you wonder. How often do you see former Republican Presidential Candidates (Bob Dole on Larry King) praise current Democratic Candidates?

I don't think Kerry is a party to any conspiracy. Perhaps the Repugs simply think they have a better chance of beating Kerry. Rove likes playing dirty and he seems to have dirt on everyone. Maybe he has dirt on Kerry?

Posted by: Mary on January 30, 2004 10:13 PM

"Bush is in trouble...there were 4300+ write in votes for dem candidates by registered republicans in the NH primary."

I'm not shocked. We've had dozens of "moderate" Republicans join the party locally. Some don't like the war. Others simply don't like the idea of being in debt. We don't care will welcome anybody who wants to join us with open arms! We can argue on the finer points of politics with them later.

Posted by: Mary on January 30, 2004 10:24 PM

The media union just endorsed Kerry. And what's up with the school board's move to dump the "evolution" word from Georgia's school books. Carter is denouncing the attempt.
Yes, that intriguing bin laden story surely needs to be verified and followed thru on pronto. Makes sense though that Bush would put him on ice to gain time for the Iraq excuse. I always wondered why the news focus ceased. I guess they're "sure" of capture just like they were "sure" Saddam would be captured right before the Kurds turned him over to the US. Who's taking those bets for October Surprise?

Posted by: Jeanie on January 30, 2004 11:06 PM

Pat, you are so right about not putting anyone up on a "pedestal of expectations." As Joe E. Brown said to Jack Lemmon in "Some Like It Hot"--"Well, nobody's perfect." I am willing to accept my candidates with warts--if only they will just mostly support the Republic.
Carolyn, yes, yes, yes--that Marine needs to get in touch with someone in Congress. There was a fascinating article in the New Yorker after 9/11 about people on the street who knew that something was going to happen--middle eastern cab drivers, etc. Let's have disclosure if we can! Mary, re Republicans voting against Bush--when I was walking my precinct in 2002 I talked with a straight-arrow Republican--totally raise yourself by your own boot-straps, etc., who absolutely hated Bush--George & Jeb--and intended to vote against them. These are the people who stand by principle--"respectable Republicans" I call them. Patricia and Siobhan--I am a Southerner born and bred. When I grew up the 3 pillars of Southern society were: segregation/racism, manners, and religion. As the joke goes, "Thank God, my family wasn't religious." (We were big on racism and manners, though.) The reason Southerners are crazier than most Americans is because of the mental acrobatics they have to do to square religion and racisism.

Posted by: Barbara on January 30, 2004 11:16 PM

Gotta love astrology! Right on target with predictions that Bush' early Jan popularity would give rise to big problems and the "outing" of secrets comes David Kay's remarks about the intelligence(orlack thereof) reports being flawed. (as if most of the world didn't already relaize this) Even the die hard Bushies are putting their ears back and hunkering down as rePugs, Dems and plain folk are starting to demand an investigation! Astrological insights any one ?
Astro Amateur

Posted by: Astro Am on January 31, 2004 12:36 AM

The draft is alive and well.Everyone here thinks we
used to have draft during Nam era, isn't so.During
draft rich kids like shrub,quayle never served their
country but poor kids without connection got drafted,
some were wounded some were killed etc. It is the same today even without the draft. Rich kids go to
Ivy league schools and start on six figure jobs.Poor
kids like the kid in S.Carolina, whose mother drilled
Edwards can't find a job in the dreamland called USA
and have no option but to join the armed forces and
go to Iraq,Afghanistan etc. So the whole thing smacks of hypocricy to say there is no draft today
The results are the same as 40 years ago!

Posted by: Raj on January 31, 2004 12:56 AM

Well not yet. Believe me it was worse back then. They actually came up with a lottery. I do think you are on to something regarding the neocon plan for continuous war. As they ship jobs out, and cheap labor in, they cirtainly appear to be building up to a military industrial country. As people lose their jobs and unemployment becomes more and more unavailabel, military will start to look darn good.

I wish I was creating some science fiction novel.

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 01:15 AM

I’ve waited four very long years and invested a lot of emotional energy hoping for a Democrat to emerge capable of showing GWB and his neo-con bullies the door in November. I thought Governor Dean could be that candidate and I had satisfying visions of Bush on his way out on Inauguration day. I can assure you I’m not the biggest John Kerry fan but he's trounced Governor Dean in Iowa and New Hampshire. And the only way he was able to do that was to convince folks to vote for him and those folks for the most part were the most serious Democratic voters in those states. My personal hope got his rear end whooped in Iowa and New Hampshire. The voters in Iowa and New Hampshire knew who Governor Dean was and exactly what he stood for and he didn't win. Now with the front-runner status shifting to John Kerry suddenly. . . we’ve got Kerry smears, Kerry innuendo, Kerry loathing and Kerry disgust. . .we’ve even got premature declarations of "sitting this one out or voting for a third part candidate . . .we’ve got conspiracy theories of why someone, somewhere in some corridor of power collaborated in the "put down" of Howard Dean. But just remember. . . .As long as we have Neo-con squatters in our White House what we should be talking about is how “we” are going to make sure that this election and the Democratic Party is shaped by "our" voices and "our" concerns. If the good doctor ends up not being the Democratic candidate, it is no reason to abandon a struggle especially if it was worthwhile in the first place. No matter who the candidate turns out to be I think it is time to get on with the business of building a better Democratic Party and fighting hard to take our country back in 2004.

"My hat is off to you Dr. Dean for giving me back hope and showing the rest of those spineless democrats how it should be done!"

Posted by: Carolyn on January 31, 2004 01:48 AM

War is good for the pocketbook, not to mention control. They manufacture the demand to justify the supply, and sell it madison avenue style smilingly to their "customers." Why else would there have been for the last 40 years, to put it in George McGovern's words, "inept strategic judgments that have lead to ruinous wars." Surely they're not that inept, just devious. Who's on top now? Defense contractors with oil and technology to make the military perpetually run.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 31, 2004 01:57 AM

Lucy,
It was my girl friend and colleague that relayed the Capture/Osama story to me. The young Marine with the story is her office nurses fiancé. He had recently returned from a tour of duty in Afghanistan. He told my friend his account of the capture over lunch, as they discussed politics and his experiences as a Marine in Afghanistan. My friend said his sincerity and detail in relaying the incident made her confident he was telling the absolute truth. It definitely would be fool hardy for this young Marine to tell a story of such magnitude, if it were not true. I can’t see any plausible positive payoff for him telling such a story? In fact I can only think the opposite. With all the morally disturbing, illegal, secretive and clandestine actions taken by the Bush administration I am not so sure this young Marine realizes by telling this story he might not return from another assignment. For my part I believe his story. The Bush/Rove/Pearle/Cheney/Rummy evil consortium is without equal in their callous and self serving manipulation of the American public and their craven needs for power. I can ask my friend if she would speak to her nurse concerning the possibility of passing this story on to a trustworthy individual; one that could protect the identity of this young man. But my question is; Does such a person exist?

Posted by: Carolyn on January 31, 2004 03:44 AM

He needs guidance and protection.

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 03:57 AM

And a helluva good lawyer!

Posted by: shylurker on January 31, 2004 04:33 AM

http://www.radiosubversion.com/busshit/KerryBotoxAd.jpg

a bit of humor.... is this in his chart?

Posted by: John "Botox" Kerry on January 31, 2004 06:35 AM

Cheap shot.

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 07:11 AM

I was just wondering, is there anything that can be done to revive Bush's brain? Would getting Karl Rove some new hair help? Just wondering.

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 07:14 AM

They've got Osama/ probably dead since Tora Bora. They'll drag him out when most convenient, maybe a live double, depending on what's needed.

Posted by: Peg on January 31, 2004 02:45 PM

Carolyn, yes, YES - Henry Waxman is one. I understand the implications of such a story, but if he can get the ear of someone like Waxman, who, in my opinion, has been one of the most consistently outspoken and persistent investigators of the Bush admin's crimes, then something just might come of it. He might even be safer telling his story to Waxman, because if he is telling his story indiscriminately, he could put himself in worse danger than if he tells someone like Waxman. Again, the fax #s are: 202/225-4099 in DC and 323/655-0502 in LA. Is he still in touch with any of the other Marines in that division who could/would back him up? Could you suggest to your physician friend that she encourage her nurse to suggest this to him? I know it's a long shot, but if you have a link to someone who knows this to be true and knows others who also witnessed it, it would be regretable to sit on it, wouldn't it? It's up to him, totally, but sometimes all someone needs is a little encouragement.

Posted by: Lucy on January 31, 2004 03:45 PM

Carolyn, what state are you in?

Posted by: Lucy on January 31, 2004 03:47 PM

It's probably best not to post locations on the internet.

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 04:17 PM

Lucy, no one will do anything anyway. Jonathon and I knocked ourselves silly trying to get someone to care about Saddam's capture by the kurds, not as reported, but it doesn't matter to anyone.

Posted by: Peg on January 31, 2004 04:33 PM

Peg, I sympathize greatly with your frustration, but please don't give up. Keep struggling. It may take a long time and you may only have a success now and again, but keep up the fight. Look at how long it took us to get rid of "segregation." (Yes, I am that old, and, yes, I am a veteran of the CR Movement.)

Posted by: shylurker on January 31, 2004 04:47 PM

Here is a link to get involved in touch screen voting - e-voting.

http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 04:59 PM

Here are a couple more.

http://tinyurl.com/27men


http://www.raba.com/press.html

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 05:56 PM

....and another

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/25064/view

Posted by: Pat on January 31, 2004 06:16 PM

Peg, if you assume that, we're lost. We have to keep trying.

The only reason I asked what state Carolyn is in is that if she is in California, it would be easier to gain Waxman's attention, as he is the representative for the LA/Santa Monica area - District 31, I think, but not sure if that number is right.

If this Marine has eyewitness information that could possibly be backed up by others who were present, that's huge. It's an uphill battle, I know, but so is getting rid of Bush. Are we going to just shrug and say, "Aw, what the hell, he's gonna win anyway?" !!??

Posted by: Lucy on January 31, 2004 09:22 PM

I was watching c-span this morning and there was a caller who referenced some military guy acusing bush of keeping bin laden under wraps and will produce him for political gain near the time of the election. He was sort of discounted out of hand because he seemed like a sort of conspirisy theory nut raving, and had no proof other than hearsay, but, I was surprised that he did mention some military person's name. (which I cannot remember) This certainly bears following up on.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 31, 2004 10:12 PM

I certainly would not write-off Scorpio, Dean... these people are experts in handling "crisis." They thrive on them. They have many "deaths" AND resurrections thruout their lifetimes. The so-called loss of a couple of states in the lst primaries wld be "juicy red meat" to someone like him. I'm beginning to like Dean more & more. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on January 31, 2004 11:24 PM

check out this interesting piece about WMD search
http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4522/index.php

Posted by: Jeanie on January 31, 2004 11:26 PM

Gemini Kerry, on the other hand, has no staying power... as much as I like 'em, Geminis are wispy & changable & they bore easily.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on January 31, 2004 11:28 PM

for those that did not click on the second link within the above mentioned WMD article, here is the original, more in depth article.
http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4430/index.php

Posted by: Jeanie on January 31, 2004 11:34 PM

I’ve only recently ‘discovered’ this astrology website... and am delighted with the articles presented. I find many of the comments interesting. However, I am disappointed to find some of the posts not only generalizing about particular sun signs — but reducing these 30 sec bytes to negative assessments of the totality of individuals... something I would expect from those vast numbers of folks who read the daily horoscope in their local newspaper — but not from anyone who has studied or even read anything about astrology. All signs have negative and positive attributes — we make the choice as to which we will use. My ‘sun’ is in the sign of Gemini, but I have a stellium in Cancer and several planets in Taurus — I consider myself a multi-faceted entity... but then, aren’t we all? I have found stereotyping to be a poor method of assessment in any field, and an utter failure in astrological profiles.
Let’s give our over-used left brains a break and recognize that we are all energy... fluid and flowing... ever changing... hopefully for the better.

Namaste,

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Posted by: Grandma Jo on February 1, 2004 01:53 AM

You are right Grandma. The articles are wonderful, wouldn't you say?

Here is an interesting article on elections.

How to Hack an Election
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/opinion/31SAT1.html

As so many of us have observed, this is of great importance to all of us.

Posted by: Pat on February 1, 2004 02:00 AM

Nobody has space here to do much more than generally generalize most of the time about signs & planets. If one insists on dissertations of particulars around particular personalities, they're bound to be disappointed imo. It is a great site for sure! Always keeps me coming back, tho... even with the "limitations" of some of its posters. Of course, the authors of the articles more than make-up for poster limitations. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on February 1, 2004 02:56 AM

From the UK thread & why I have terrible doubts about Kerry...

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PNAC project director contributed to Kerry Campaign.

A Fact

Mark Gerson is a project director at the Project for the New American Century (1) and a contributor to the Kerry campaign (2):

GERSON, MARK L NEW YORK,NY 10017 GERSON LEHRMAN GROUP 6/30/2001 $1,000 Kerry, John

GERSON, MARK L NEW YORK,NY 10017 GERSON LEHRMAN GROUP 6/30/2001 $1,000 Kerry, John

------------------ A Question:

One David Epstein, Office of Sec of Defense, Net Assessment, is a "project participant" at PNAC (3).

Campaign filings show these contributions to the Kerry campaign (4):

EPSTEIN, DAVID CAMBRIDGE,MA 02138 PATTON BOGGS/SENIOR PARTNER 6/30/2003 $2,000 Kerry, John

EPSTEIN, DAVID CAMBRIDGE,MA 02138 PATTON BOGGS/SENIOR PARTNER 3/5/2003 $2,000 Kerry, John

EPSTEIN, DAVID CAMBRIDGE,MA 02138 PATTON BOGGS/SENIOR PARTNER 8/1/2003 $2,000

(Note that these contributions exceed the legal limit.)

While these filings list Epstein as a senior partner with Patton Boggs, he is not listed on the Patton Boggs website.

Is the Epstein of the Office of Sec of Defense & PNAC participant the same as the Epstein of Patton Boggs? The Net is pretty well scrubbed of any mention of either Epstein. Can anybody confirm or deny they are one in the same?

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Sources:

1) http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm

2) http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=GERSO...

3) http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

4) http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=epste...

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And Kerry is reported to have helped write the illegal Patriot Act.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on February 1, 2004 03:01 AM

It is said sometimes that the mutable Gemini may sometimes show characteristics of duplicity... the sign in which Kerry's moon is located. Come to think on it, his sun/Asc are in mutable Sag. They're usually a lot of fun however... It's Kerry perhaps that isn't one of the more "straight-arrow" individuals of the lot.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on February 1, 2004 03:09 AM

* Graham quiet about his role on Patriot Act - On the campaign trail, he isn't bringing up that he co-wrote the controversial bill in the Senate.
By BILL ADAIR, Times Staff Writer
© St. Petersburg Times
published June 14, 2003

... Graham isn't alone in facing questions about the law. The other senators in the Democratic presidential race - John Edwards, John Kerry & Joe Lieberman - voted for the legislation.

"The issue is kind of tricky [trickster?] ," said political analyst Stuart Rothenberg. "On the one hand, it's terrific to take on Ashcroft & complain about govt intrusion & excessive police powers. On the other hand, you don't want to be defending terrorists' rights. It's kind of awkward."

Edwards, Kerry & Lieberman, like Graham, have not emphasized their support of the Patriot Act. But two candidates who oppose it, former VT Gov. Howard Dean & Rep. Dennis Kucinich of OH, are using the issue to set themselves apart. ...
con't http://www.sptimes.com/2003/06/14/Worldandnation/Graham_quiet_about_hi.shtml

Kerry: DLC, Skull n' Bones, PNAC crowd & other assorted repubs & neocons... I'm thinkin' if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, & fries like a duck, then perhaps it's duck. On the positive side, perhaps he'll be a tad more courteous version of bushie-boy. ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on February 1, 2004 03:32 AM

Well, yes, Joanna, I think you have pretty much summed up the positive on Kerry.

I shouldn't have said that. Peace.

Posted by: shylurker on February 1, 2004 03:37 AM

Really interesting stuff Joanna. Thanks.

I couldn't get the two opensecrets links to work.

Posted by: Pat on February 1, 2004 04:10 AM

Grandma Jo are you my evil twin? , duplicitous,fluid, mercurial. I like to think that as facts change so then may my response. Would love to compare charts sometime. Sun 3h Gemini nice little stellium in Taurus 2nd (jupiter, mercury, venus). Computer scientist by profession.

Posted by: Morgana on February 1, 2004 05:19 AM

Lucy,
I’ll speak with my friend on Monday and give her the contact information you provided and strongly request/suggest she pass it on to her office nurse/Marine fiancé. I can only hope the two will, in good conscience, take the information and act upon it. I read today in the Boston Globe that the US military is "sure" it will catch Osama bin Laden this year, promising a capture perhaps within months. If this young Marine is telling the truth, (in my opinion he would having nothing to gain by telling a tall tale) of course it’s a “sure” thing. By parading Bin Laden out “Dead or Alive at just the right time” sounds like the perfect way to boost the Bush credibility and poll numbers just in time for the election.

Posted by: Carolyn on February 1, 2004 08:17 AM

Lucy,
I’ll speak with my friend on Monday and give her the contact information you provided and strongly request/suggest she pass it on to her office nurse/Marine fiancé. I can only hope the two will, in good conscience, take the information and act upon it. I read today in the Boston Globe that the US military is "sure" it will catch Osama bin Laden this year, promising a capture perhaps within months. If this young Marine is telling the truth, (in my opinion he would having nothing to gain by telling a tall tale) of course it’s a “sure” thing. By parading Bin Laden out “Dead or Alive at just the right time” sounds like the perfect way to boost the Bush credibility and poll numbers just in time for the election.

Posted by: Carolyn on February 1, 2004 08:17 AM

Morgana, I may indeed be your evil twin! conversation between two Geminis actually brings four people to the forum and lots of chatter! Sally has my email address... I look forward to sending you my chart info for comparison. Grandma Jo

Posted by: Grandma Jo on February 1, 2004 04:41 PM

Carolyn, thank you. It's worth a shot, especially if they are making noises now about "finding" him in the next several months. This is great. Nothing may come of it, but then, something might. We have to stay positive and keep hoping.

I haven't written off Dean, either, not by a long shot. He's a bulldog, bless his heart. : )

Posted by: Lucy on February 1, 2004 08:36 PM

He did very well on Meet the Press today. He was very impressive.

Posted by: Pat on February 1, 2004 08:55 PM

Grandma Jo,

There have been two Gemini's as President, JFK and George Bush the 1st and three Sagittarius. The comments about Gemini and Politicians (already a duplicitous career) relates to how they might be using their energy. I myself am a Scorpio which can be a cunning and manipulative sign and completely dangerous. I am not (well I am manipulative, but use it to raise money for non-profits and I let them know what I am doing) however if I know a Scorpio who works for the mafia I would assume that person was not or possibly not living up to their better qualities. The most important point for a Sag is where is their Jupiter. Kerry's Jupiter is in a late degree of Leo, a most generous placement for Jupiter.

On the converse side, George Bush doesn't have a stand alone bad chart indicating the terrible things he has either done or allowed, it does however indicate an indolent chart and easily manipulated to manipulate others, it's also a very secretive and fearful chart.

I have a client born the day after Bush and he doesn't have one thing in the 12th house leading him to a healthier interaction with others. Because of the amount of aspects and the huge amount of charts we are assimulating it's impossible to list or address, in an article, all those things so we must synthesize those hundreds of aspects.

Everyone is made up of positive and negitive energies and through the process of astrology it is possible to see how one is likely to use those energies in combination with the US and those around them.

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certyfikacja GOST-R gost
certyfikacja Rosja
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certyfikacja GOST ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
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CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
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GOST ISO
gost zertifizierung

Posted by: tania on January 19, 2007 10:20 AM

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.


test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.

Posted by: gost on May 17, 2007 09:39 AM

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.


test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.

Posted by: gost on May 17, 2007 09:40 AM

certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.


test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika

Posted by: gost on May 28, 2007 11:32 AM

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.


test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia


http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ekatalog%2ena%2dwsi%2epl%2f


1. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etanietorby%2epl%2f 20
2. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2emieszkania%2eoddech%2ecom%2f

13 juli 2004

3. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eagdrtv%2ecom%2fnotebooki%2f

na wszystkich stronach dodać
http://www.en.gost24.com
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com
http://www.gost-r.org
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/gost-r.php

Zarejestrować się na stronie http://www.ourcongress.org/story/2004/4/8/204315/1998
User:aga
Hasło: kotek
Podać e-mejl i hasło – potem załogować się i dodawać niżej podany tekst na wszystkich podstronach


zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

http://www.flashmobilegroup.org/?p=69 - tutaj zmieniasz z p=69 na p=01 do p=78 i
dodajesz strony:
http://www.gost24.com z name GOST-R
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com z name GOST
http://www.certyfikacja.gost24.com/ z name Certyfikacja w Rosji
http://www.certyfikaty.biz/ z name certyfikacja GOST
http://www.rosji.gost24.com/ z name w Rosji

http://www.mavicanet.com/directory/swe/1061.html
http://www.transport-24.com/eksport-import/

http://seodirectorylist.investray.com/index.php?from=2760

http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ead4you%2epl%2f


http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

Posted by: gost on June 19, 2007 11:40 AM

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.


test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia


http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ekatalog%2ena%2dwsi%2epl%2f


1. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etanietorby%2epl%2f 20
2. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2emieszkania%2eoddech%2ecom%2f

13 juli 2004

3. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eagdrtv%2ecom%2fnotebooki%2f

na wszystkich stronach dodać
http://www.en.gost24.com
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com
http://www.gost-r.org
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/gost-r.php

Zarejestrować się na stronie http://www.ourcongress.org/story/2004/4/8/204315/1998
User:aga
Hasło: kotek
Podać e-mejl i hasło – potem załogować się i dodawać niżej podany tekst na wszystkich podstronach


zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

http://www.flashmobilegroup.org/?p=69 - tutaj zmieniasz z p=69 na p=01 do p=78 i
dodajesz strony:
http://www.gost24.com z name GOST-R
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com z name GOST
http://www.certyfikacja.gost24.com/ z name Certyfikacja w Rosji
http://www.certyfikaty.biz/ z name certyfikacja GOST
http://www.rosji.gost24.com/ z name w Rosji

http://www.mavicanet.com/directory/swe/1061.html
http://www.transport-24.com/eksport-import/

http://seodirectorylist.investray.com/index.php?from=2760

http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ead4you%2epl%2f


http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

Posted by: gost on June 19, 2007 11:42 AM

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia
certification russia
GOST

Test

gost certification
Certification Russia.

test test

Certification Russia.


test2
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia
Rosja gost katalog firmy russia
zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
certyfikacja w Rosjinormy i certyfikaty w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja Rosjasuper strona na wshodzie
certyfikacja w rosji i Gost testy i badania fajna grazertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia


http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ekatalog%2ena%2dwsi%2epl%2f


1. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etanietorby%2epl%2f 20
2. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2emieszkania%2eoddech%2ecom%2f

13 juli 2004

3. http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eagdrtv%2ecom%2fnotebooki%2f

na wszystkich stronach dodać
http://www.en.gost24.com
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com
http://www.gost-r.org
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/gost-r.php

Zarejestrować się na stronie http://www.ourcongress.org/story/2004/4/8/204315/1998
User:aga
Hasło: kotek
Podać e-mejl i hasło – potem załogować się i dodawać niżej podany tekst na wszystkich podstronach


zertifizierung in RusslandCertyfikacja w Rosji
Certyfikacja w Rosji pozdrawiamy
certyfikacja na wshodziesuper strona
gost i Gost fajna gra

certyfikacja GOSTNormy GOST i standardy certyfikat
certification russia Russia
GOST gost I nika
Certification in Russia.
wizy do Rosjito wszystko pomoze
Certification in Russia ci prowadzic biznes w Rosji
certyfikacja GOST i wsem priwet
certyfikat GOSTtest
gost czekawie jak zdziala
CERTIFIKACE RUSKO
gost Russia export
gost russia

http://www.flashmobilegroup.org/?p=69 - tutaj zmieniasz z p=69 na p=01 do p=78 i
dodajesz strony:
http://www.gost24.com z name GOST-R
http://www.certyfikacja.qfrom.com z name GOST
http://www.certyfikacja.gost24.com/ z name Certyfikacja w Rosji
http://www.certyfikaty.biz/ z name certyfikacja GOST
http://www.rosji.gost24.com/ z name w Rosji

http://www.mavicanet.com/directory/swe/1061.html
http://www.transport-24.com/eksport-import/

http://seodirectorylist.investray.com/index.php?from=2760

http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-25,GGLJ:ru&q=link:http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ead4you%2epl%2f


http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info
http://www.gost-r.info/russia.php
http://www.en.gost24.com

Posted by: gost on June 19, 2007 01:17 PM
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