Astroworld: NEW YEAR 2004

NEW YEAR 2004

As the days grow colder in late December, a little noted celestial event takes place yearly. In the Northern Hemisphere, the Sun passes through its time of greatest darkness, and the days once again begin to grow longer. The Winter Solstice, which was celebrated by ancient cultures as a sacred time when the Light is reborn and triumphs over the Darkness, passes in the modern age with little more than cursory notice. In the contemporary Western world, the Solstice celebration has been largely superceded by Christmas, which shares many roots with this ancient festival, most notably the birth of the Light in a time of darkness. Hanukah, which also comes during the month of December, bears within it a similar theme of the Light triumphant.

But there is another holiday that has grown in modern times as a sort of secular cousin to the Solstice Festival. This is the New Year celebration that circles the globe on January 1 in those countries that use the Western calendar. At the stroke of midnight in these many nations, the New Year is born, and within that birth moment may be seen the seed characteristics for the coming year.

In every January 1st New Year chart, the Sun is around 10 degrees of Capricorn and falls close to the nadir (known as the IC) of the chart, the place in the chart where the Sun will always be found at midnight. Depending on the longitude and latitude of the city for which the chart is drawn, the Sun's nearness to the IC can vary by several degrees, but the Sun degree itself may vary only up to one degree. Thus, a strong planetary aspect to the 10 degree Capricorn Sun in the New Year chart may be experienced in some measure by all of the countries that celebrate the New Year on January 1st. It is noteworthy that during some of the most difficult and devastating years of the 20th Century - 1915 and1916, 1930, and 1944 and1945 - Saturn has repeatedly (through retrograde motion) crossed either conjunct or opposite the New Year chart Sun.

Those nations for whom the Sun additionally falls very close to the MC/IC axis and for whom a strong planetary aspect therefore contacts both the Sun and the meridian axis, will experience such an aspect more intensively. This will be especially true if the transiting planet retrogrades back and forth across the degree of the Sun and the meridian axis during the course of the year.

In many cases, the meridian axis falls close to a 90-degree angle to the horizon line in the chart. When this happens, any planetary aspect that hits the meridian axis will also aspect the horizon line (the Ascendant/Descendant axis). Such an aspect will have a tremendously powerful impact because it will effect the Sun, MC/IC axis, and the Ascendant/Descendant axis.

An example of this comes with the New Year chart for Berlin, Germany on January 1, 1945. Here we find the Midheaven at 8 Cancer, conjunct Saturn at 7 Cancer, opposite the Sun at 10 Capricorn, and both planets in square to Neptune conjunct the Ascendant at 6 Libra. During the most crucial months of defeat - March and April 1945 - Saturn, the planet of loss and grief, squared the Ascendant/Neptune, recrossed its own place and the MC, and opposed the Sun in the New Year chart. During much of the summer and fall of that year, Neptune, the planet of confusion and chaos, recrossed the Ascendant.

In the Washington, DC New Year chart of the same year, we find Jupiter very close to the Ascendant square to Mars a few degrees from the IC. The angular planets in this chart, Mars and Jupiter, are much more indicative of victory and success. The Saturn/Sun/Neptune T square is still in the chart, suggesting a painful year for much of the world, but the significant angular planets point to a very different outcome than what was experienced in Germany.

The year 1930 was a time of great sorrow and difficulty for America. This was the first year of the Great Depression which followed the Stock Market crash of October 1929. In the New Year chart for 1930 we find a Venus (1 Capricorn), Mars (2 Capricorn), Saturn (3 Capricorn), Sun (10 Capricorn), and IC (7 Capricorn) conjunction square Uranus on the Descendant (both at 7 Aries). During the course of the year, Saturn squared the Ascendant and crossed the IC and the Sun three times. It was terrible year with an increasingly dismal economic situation, widespread hunger, and increasing unemployment.

An example of a difficult New Year chart where there is no involvement of the angles comes with the chart for January 1, 1861, the year the Civil War began. Here we find the Moon (3 Virgo) conjunct Saturn (9 Virgo) square to Venus (9 Sagittarius) and square to Uranus (9 Gemini). Retrograde Saturn moved to a stationary conjunction with the Moon from late March through late May 1861, including the beginning of the war on April 12. The infamous and devastating battle of Bull Run on July 21 occurred just as transiting Saturn returned to square Venus. The pain and sorrow of the first year of the American Civil War can thus be seen by the natal hard aspects of Saturn to the ruler of the MC (Moon) and the ruler of the Ascendant (Venus), both triggered during the course of the year by transiting Saturn. The Moon and Venus are also indicators of the emotional pulse of the people and are very susceptible to the distressing energy of Saturn.

As we move to our own time, the chart for the 2003 New Year again demonstrates the significance and sensitivity of the angles. Although Saturn was far from the Midheaven in the January 1, 2003 chart, by August it had moved to conjunct the MC and oppose the New Year Sun. During the period of the Saturn transit, we had the power blackout in the Northeast US, the bombing of the UN in Iraq, and a brutal suicide bombing in Jerusalem. The latter two events, which came on the same day, caused a wave of worldwide sorrow and hopelessness (Saturn) over two intractable problems: the situation in Iraq and the ongoing struggle in Israel.

As Saturn returned to an opposition with the 2003 New Year Sun around Christmas, we were deluged with terror alerts, canceled airplane flights, and the absolutely devastating earthquake in Iran. The New Year 2004 chart then took hold at midnight on January 1, 2004, locking Sun/Saturn opposition into the birth chart for the entire upcoming year.

The birth chart for the New Year 2004 is a particularly difficult chart, and those difficulties will be made manifest most acutely during the first 5 months of the year. There is a T-square involving Saturn (9 Cancer), the Sun (10 Capricorn), and Mars (9 Aries), that will be experienced by all nations using the Western calendar, suggesting that the year will be a harsh one world-wide in many ways. The counties where this T-square falls very close to the angles in such a way that Saturn will cross and recross the Midheaven and square the Ascendant are: the US, Britain, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. These are the nations to watch for particularly trying times in the months January through May, when Saturn’s harshest impact will be felt.

The New Year charts for the US, Britain, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan suggest onerous, burdensome, painful experiences (Saturn/MC) weighing down and frustrating the indigenous goals of these countries (the Sun/IC). Mars sitting on the Descendant, the point of open enemies or partners, suggests open warfare with enemies and likely criticism from friends or partners. The Midheaven is also indicative of the government, as is the Sun. And so, angry criticism of the government and possibly violent protest is included in this picture. Because we are looking at a T-square, the energy is never really balanced. War and incendiary attacks (Mars) cause problems and difficulties and do not go as planned. There is a sense of constant disruption and struggle. The most frustrating and harsh times will be when Saturn crosses the MC and squares the Ascendant and then returns to recross the Sun and square Mars. In the US New Year chart, this covers the entire period from January 16 through May 14, 2004.

It is also likely that periods of particular violence against any one of these nations could be unleashed by an intensification of Mars in the New Year chart. This will be particularly true in April and May 2004. The Jupiter station will be quincunx the New Year Mars from April 5 through May 21, 2004. Transiting Mars will cross the MC, oppose the Sun, square the Ascendant, and square Mars in the New Year chart from May 16 to May 23, 2004. In the US chart, stimulating the same April and May period with intensified aggression, anger and violence, we find retrograde Pluto waxing in its second opposition to US Mars, peaking around May 23. April 22 through May 4, 2004, will be particularly dangerous, with the Mercury station trine Pluto, and Mars and Venus opposed to Pluto. May 15 through May 23 will also be a potentially violent and perilous time, especially for aggressive action from the US.

In astrology, similar predictions can often be made using different techniques. In previous articles, I have discussed the Pluto station opposite US Mars during the January through May 2004 period as a time of intensified engagement with a ferocious enemy and a generally turbulent period. I have also noted that the general period from June 2003 through early 2005, due to the enormous amount of Saturn influence in the US chart and George Bush’s chart, is likely to bring failed policies, scandals, and intractable problems for the country and its leadership. The 2004 New Year chart can be seen to confirm these predictions using an entirely different technique. The period from mid-January through May is likely to be immensely challenging and painful, and the general tone of the year is one of difficulty, burden, and struggle with enemies. Although the December 2003 and January 2004 timeframe seems to be bringing some success and increased popularity to George Bush due to a strong Jupiter and Venus influence previously discussed, I feel this is a temporary reprieve. In February and March, and more dramatically by late May and early June 2004, the consequences of the Resident’s blighted policies will become ever clearer. As the 2004 New Year unfolds and its inherent struggles and misfortunes become manifest, George Bush will be crushed under the weighty robes of Empire.

Nancy Waterman on Jan 6 | Link

Comments

Just awesome, fascinating and so well-written, Nancy, albeit depressing. Hopefully it will be enough to wake the sleeping Americans out of their perpetual dream state. Let us hope.

Maybe GWB is the heaven's gift to us to raise our awareness, consciousness, and learn to see through the secrecy and propaganda. Methinks this man is in for the ride of his life.

Thank you so much!

Posted by: Laurie on January 6, 2004 01:24 AM

Nancy, as usual I thoroughly enjoy your writing. Laurie, interesting you put your comments about GW the way you do. I have had this underlying feeling for some time that GW is playing some kind of a Judas role for the grand cosmos - a necessary betrayer, as one used by the actual "ruling priests" responsible for the real corruption. There has been so much unscrupulous politics, by all parties, behind the scenes for such a long time, one can only hope enough outrage might be a vehicle for light to begin shining in all those dim dark places, ultimately benefiting all mankind. Hope springs eternal.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 6, 2004 01:50 AM

It is depressing. I wish it weren't so.But it does corroborate what we have seen in theother planetary activites for the 1st 5 months of this year. It is useful to draw up some of the other New Year charts I mentioned. I have frequently thought of how the US had the Saturn transit to its Sun during WWI and WWII, but I hadn't considered how the same Saturn could impact so many other countries. The New Year chart is one of the keys. I hadn't really worked on it before.

By the way, the year of the Kent State Massacre, 1970, when all the campuses erupted over Nixon's Vietnam policies and the events at Kent State, that year Uranus was on the Ascendant in the New Year chart and square the Sun. Zing!!

Posted by: Nancy on January 6, 2004 01:54 AM

I think GWB is a manifestation of the inner unowned American shadow: selfish, lazy, superficial, irresponsible. We have manifested him in the outer world to show us how not to be. I am hoping when he is gone, we will be able to become: responsible about the environment, which we have not been even before he came along; less greedy and grasping of the world's resources, less sense of entitlement; less thrilled by our military might; etc.

Posted by: Nancy on January 6, 2004 01:59 AM

Nancy,

Once again, you offer all of us your knowledge and formidable talent in a way that is clear, concise, creative and easy to read and understand. Thank you. As I've said in the past, I suspect it will take some really hard times in America for us to be shocked out of our collective complacency and start the journey to becoming the responsible, educated voters we should be. Without the Darkness of the Bush Administration, we wouldn't appreciate the Light to follow, oui? :-)

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 6, 2004 03:06 AM

nancy, thanks so much for your indepth research..pretty bleak to see the other times that saturn was in hard aspect to the new year, and for the u.s...however if you read the chart in the manner one would read a solar return chart for example, i would say the most difficult month would be july...no? with october bringing some sobering up? or is it a numbness?
i do also feel that without a doubt bush will be crushed. i can't buy into that fear/brainwashing that grips dems that they may actually lose the next election (atleast not legitamately)..but having a dem win still keeps the people in bondage as it will take years to put us back to where we were at with clinton, MEANING we're not moving forward, and will america ever?

Posted by: Roxanne on January 6, 2004 05:51 AM

Right on Nancy about Shrub being our collective shadow. We will be transformed, but it won't be overnight and it won't be through a single event and it won't be through one election. Slowly, bit by bit, day after day, month after month, eyes will open. Not everyone will awaken this year, but somehow enough will.

Posted by: Larry on January 6, 2004 08:06 AM

The fact that Britney Spear's 55 hour marraige and Michael Jackson are making the headlines is absurd. What is really going on behind the scenes? I've quit bemoaning the fact which Nancy conferred that we have become our shadow selves. I have been really quiet and quietly working out my own shadow to become more aware and to not be attracted/aligned to the collective shadow. I think that's what we can do to help the Collective. Otherwise, we approach the collective as a half baked, thus mirroring the current leaderships of our globe.

Posted by: bhakti on January 6, 2004 02:19 PM

All good points, bhakti. The fact that Bush's mirror image in so many ways is Bin Laden is very striking. They both see the world in terms of good and evil, the enemy is Satan, they are appointed by God, etc. I truly believe that if our (next) leadership were to get away from this thinking, terrorism would no longer be such a major issue. There would no longer be a mirroring going on. Individually, we must indeed disassociate ourselves from the type of thinking saturating our airwaves. Otherwise we will keep projecting our own shadow, currently in the form of the terrorists as well as in thr form of GWB.

"To understand the world, look within. To understand yourself, look at the world." Loose quote from Rudolf Steiner

Posted by: Nancy on January 6, 2004 04:21 PM

Thank you again, Nancy, for the wonderful article. And Happy New Year everyone, in your private lives if it can't happen in the world.

If there's anywhere I can mention this, it's here, and believe me it's not a prediction of who will be president, I can't claim to have that ability, but it may or may not constitute a premonition of change. I had a dream the other night where Howard Dean was visiting England to cheering crowds. It was *not* clear whether he was president in the dream. He could have been an immensely popular election loser. But the crowds were big, and the feeling was very happy. I lean towards Dean, but I would be just as happy if the candidate were Clark, for one. I didn't feel as if this was major wish-fulfillment. Most of my dreams about political things are current, and not even happy.

Posted by: Tricia on January 6, 2004 05:22 PM

There're a huge number of folks who're anti-bush. We just can't hear about them much in a carefully controlled mainstream press... part & parcel of fascism. Anyway, case in point! http://conservativesagainstbush.com

Posted by: JoannaOregon on January 6, 2004 11:56 PM

Nancy or Sally,

I listen to the radio on my way to work and on Wednesdays psychic Elizabeth Joyce is on. In late December she predicted that Bush would announce in June that he will not run for a second term, and this morning she predicted a Clark/H.R.C. team for the Democrats. Does either of you see either of these events happening?

I recall that Sally mentioned in her article "Let the Year Begin"..........'In 1968 Pluto was traveling in Virgo conjuncting the US Neptune and squaring Mars, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. were assassinated'. If remember correctly, LBJ( another Texan) who was the incumbent president in '68 decided not to run for re-election.

BTW there is a multi-millionaire from suburban St. Louis ( I've been looking for his name all over the net) who is said to be considering running against Bush either in the primaries or the general election because Bush is not a true conservative.

Does either of you see this guy becoming another Ross Perot?

Posted by: Patrick on January 7, 2004 07:19 PM

Tricia,
Add this to your dream for a positive visualization of a President Dean:

http://www.deanport.com/go/44.jpg

Posted by: bbuster on January 7, 2004 09:50 PM

I heard the same prediction in late December by Elizabeth Joyce concerning GWB not seeking a second term. She has a very good record for accuracy with her predictions. It would be interesting to know if others see any other connections to her prediction. Could there be a hard time ahead for GWB? At this time he appears to be moving full steam ahead with no serious roadblocks.

Posted by: Carol on January 7, 2004 10:04 PM

oh he has SERIOUS roadblocks me thinks. The military is starting to look at him twice, the Repubs are vowing to not vote AT ALL after the immigration deal, and Rush is having a hissy fit telling everyone to not jump ship. LMAO.

Posted by: Peg on January 7, 2004 10:54 PM

Patrick,

There is a John Buchanan running against Bush. I don't know if he is a multi-millionaire. Here is a link to his web site.

http://johnbuchanan.org/

Posted by: Laura on January 8, 2004 12:33 AM

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/13954.php

Apparently, he's also the one who found the info about Prescott and the Nazis.

Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2004 12:46 AM

Bbuster & Tricia - here's my favorite photo of Dean.

http://photos.deanforamerica.com/gallery/51520/2/1789340/Large

Posted by: Laurie on January 8, 2004 12:50 AM

Patrick and Carol,
Elizabeth has incredibly accurracy, her website http://www.new-visions.com/
Some very interesting stuff there.

Posted by: Morgana on January 8, 2004 12:51 AM

I will have to take a better look at Hillary's chart for this year. As for Bush quitting, if he does, it would come out of events in June, when Saturn crosses the US Sun and Bush's Sun and everything comes to a head. He looks pretty miserable in the fall. I have assumed it was because he goes way down in the polls and loses the election. Given his current popularity and the level of denial by his supporters, I have a hard time seeing him quit. I think it is more likely they will be too arrogant and not even imagine him losing, just like they couldn't imagine the Iraqis resisting our soldiers, or not showering us with rose petals. I think the self-delusion still runs very strong in this crowd.

Posted by: Nancy on January 8, 2004 02:39 AM

Nancy, They are in several pickles. The Plame thing won't die (according to John Dean, it may be picking up quite a bit of speed), the IMF just issued a dire warning about the US budget & its impact, the 911 Commission (for what it's worth) just might subpoena Rice and others, they have the prospect of an open trial for Saddam staring them in the face, they don't have the troops to go stomping around in too many other countries, etc. What can they do to divert our attention? Do you see potential for another terrorist attack in the U.S.? Many thnx!

Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2004 02:56 AM

Hi everybody. Long-time lurker here, whose sanity has many times been saved by this jewel on the web.

The mention of the Elizabeth Joyce prediction meshes with a potential historical parallel between President Junior and his Saturn cycle predecessor, Richard Nixon. Don't you remember how Nixon escaped punishment? He resigned, so that his Vice President could pardon him.

How much more interesting could this get, if Junior pulled such a stunt AFTER losing the election?

Posted by: snirkblaster on January 8, 2004 03:54 AM

Nancy,

I'm in agreement with you that this group would dig in their heels and refuse the possibility that they could actually lose. I think, perhaps, that if information --- strong information! --- came out that was horrificly damaging to Bush, the Republicans, in order to avoid a wipe out in 2004 or an Impeachment in the 2nd term, may decide to dump him, but that's hard to imagine. I also think there will be terrorist attacks in the US, perhaps car bombs or something along those lines. We're sitting ducks and this Administration, despite their fascination with co-ordinating colors and grounding flights originating from France, is doing absolutely nothing 'cause they understand that to keep us in Fear helps them gain votes.

I think they're wrong this time.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 8, 2004 03:56 AM

I think the two most dangerous times are the last week of April, the first few days of May, and theperiod in May from the 16th through the 24th. Terrorism is possible, fierce battles or attacks in Iraq with lots of casualties are possible, if there are demostartions during these times, they could get violent.

Bush will be getting very aggressive in the next few months, very much the "smoke 'em out" commander in chief. It may be in response to more nasty attacks like today's mortar attack or worse. But I don't think all the dark stories really cling to him til June and July. Maybe late in May he will start getting paranoid when the progressed Inaugural Moon semisquares natal Pluto triggering the paranoia and fears for survival of the natal conjunction.

Posted by: Nancy on January 8, 2004 04:01 AM

I had forgotten to mention Pakistan in my article, but attacks on Musharaf are also possible during that time in May.

Posted by: Nancy on January 8, 2004 04:02 AM

Many, many thanks, Nancy. You're a champ!

Posted by: shylurker on January 8, 2004 04:11 AM

The problem with Bush resigning to be saved by Cheney, is that Cheney is likely more culpable than Bush. Things would have to unravel very quickly for there to be talk of resignation or impeachment. I think it is getting too late for all of that. And the people are in a semihypnotic media-induced trance. I still think it will play out through the election. But I do think all the wild energy of the January through May period will lead to whatever comes with the Saturn transit in June. My guess would be failure in Iraq big time and the economy shows signs of its underlying disaster. At that point the scandals have a chance to stick because people are pissed. If the war and the economy are going well, people don't care much about the scandals.

Posted by: Nancy on January 8, 2004 04:14 AM

Bushie's inner world is riddled with fear & paranoia as a basic given... it goes with the territory of being an alcoholic/addict. No matter what support his enablers may supply (many of whom appear to be alcoholic/addicts themselves), such a basic dynamic is not going to make bushie a healthy successful warrior. Far from it... the patterns of undoing & destruction are within himself.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on January 8, 2004 02:15 PM

I still think he's gonna die- either self-induced or assassinated. Would this show up with the Part of Fortune, or Chiron?

Posted by: Peg on January 8, 2004 02:41 PM

Peg, where did you hear that the Repugs are vowing not to vote? Music!

Posted by: Lucy on January 8, 2004 02:54 PM

Lucy, it's all over the place, I'll look for a link. In the meantime, check this out for a laugh: http://www.liberaloasis.com/bushin41point2.htm

Posted by: Peg on January 8, 2004 03:02 PM

Peg! WhaddaHOOT!!! Have passed it on! ;O)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on January 8, 2004 03:51 PM

Nancy,
Who said anything about Cheney? I just said, "his Vice President." Remember Nixon: it wasn't Agnew who pardoned him, it was Gerald Ford. Cheney, as has been discussed here often, may well have to go first, just as Agnew did. Junior would then make a deal with the VP appointee. He would have to, if Cheney was forced out by scandal (as opposed to resigning for "health reasons.")

Two other points: everything about this presidency has happened in an accelerated manner. So much change and overthrow of long-established policy and precedent, the rush to war, the ballooning debt. The unraveling could play out just as quickly.

Second, and potentially more "interesting:" This administration does not play fair, and they are not going to be graceful in defeat. The months between election and inauguration could see some pretty spectacular dramas being played out, after Junior loses. Maybe an attempt at martial law. Maybe an escape to a country with no extradition treaty.

And what will happen to Poppy and Babs? Their whole world is founded on secret manipulation of power, and when Junior's presidency unravels and/or he loses the election, that world will crash down hard.

Posted by: snirkblaster on January 8, 2004 06:22 PM

Peg, my stomach hurts from laughing - THANKS, I needed that. I'm usually right up on things, but I hadn't heard about the Repugs threatening not to vote - Hot damn, this day just keeps getting better! : ) Happy New Year, all.

Posted by: Lucy on January 8, 2004 06:29 PM

Thanks for that presidential image of Dean, bbuster, that was even better than my dream! In my psuedo-Jungian analysis of that dream (and remember, folks, he believed in the analytic if not the predictive power of astrology) I think it means I'm getting hope from some collective unconscious zeitgeist. Prior to this, my political dreams have been nightmarish and negative, highly influenced by all my worries and the negativity of the world. It's as if this dream is about opening up a road for hope. I'm going to check out the Joyce site, as well.

Many repugs are definitely furious about the immigration thing. It's a clear ploy for the Hispanic and Latino vote, it's not consistent with conservatism or prior immigration policy, and it won't do much for Americans who need jobs. I do have sympathy for illegal imiigrants and how hard it is for them, so I can't come down completely against giving them a break, but I'm still pretty glad that Bush did this and caused dissension in his ranks. People are calling Hannity's show and screaming against Bush, according to Bartcop Forum. About 63% in a CNN poll opposed it. It does show a clear schism between conservatives, who at least have their strong (if usually wrong) convictions, and neocons, who will do anything to win.

Posted by: Tricia on January 8, 2004 06:42 PM

Did anyone else see the PBS Charlie Rose interview with Richard Pearle last night? He as much said, of course there were no WMD's in Iraq, but Saddaam had to go, and we had to overstate the case they were there because the lawyers and the diplomats said the argument for regime change could not be made without them. And he was talking about seriously threatening regime change in Syria because they lied to us. (But US lies are OK because it served their purpose I suppose?)
A dangerous and SCARY cobra-man, he's one of the driving forces in the PNAC i.e. military-industrial shadow govt. of this country. Any astro info on him?

Posted by: Jeanie on January 8, 2004 07:14 PM

bbuster great visualization! Actually seeing this http://www.deanport.com/go/44.jpg

kind of fills you with hope.

Posted by: Morgana on January 8, 2004 07:31 PM

Yeah,
and a lot of us seeing with inner and outer eyes can bring it into reality more quickly and more surely.
I have it as wallpaper on my computer's desktop.

Posted by: bbuster on January 8, 2004 09:06 PM

Fortunately, or Unfortunately I did watch Richard Pearle aka “The Prince of Darkness" on the Charlie Rose show. Pearle is well known for his unparalleled obscurantism over nuclear arms control and was the main advocate in the Bush administration for abandoning the ABM Treaty, and we know how swiftly his wish was fulfilled under Dubya.
Frightening as it is, The Prince of Darkness rules the roost having high court status within a narrow circle of neo-Conservative intellectuals who preach the doctrine of the "New American Century". Pearle is the main architect of a new US global system now being but in place by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, VP Cheney and Under-Secretary John Bolton and head of the US vice-presidential administration Lewis Libby.
The Price of Darkness, with his superior intellect has had unprecedented access to influence the vastly intellectually inferior GWB . . .. Mainly in one direction - to push and prod and make sure that GWB would, at any cost, over throw Saddam Hussein by force. When we hear the White House making noises about the export of democracy to the Middle East, we are hearing the echo of Pearle’s advice given to “The collective dark forces” residing in the American White House. I could not watch the whole program, I almost became ill listening to his lies and false platitudes. Pearle has attempted to generate personal business on Iraqi blood and as he spoke all I could think about was how it is not accidental that the first contract to restore and develop oil deposits went to Halliburton linked to Cheney. You can be certain that The Prince of Darkness is already taking glimpses into the future beyond the ruins and ashes of Iraq on to his next business opportunity . . . .let me think . . .could it be possibly be North Korea . . .When will the American public wake up from their media driven-ego deep sleep and realize that the Iraqi intervention was basically a method of commercial profit for the likes of The Price of Darkness, the Bushes and their despicable henchmen. Without a doubt the most arduous and influential protagonists of the Iraqi war in America’s ruling elite is Richard Pearle. He is the most evil of the whole bunch and it is unforgivable how Bush and his inner circle of evil. . .lead by Pearle have extracted their shackle of silver from the blood of Iraqi civilians and young American soldiers.

Posted by: Carolyn on January 8, 2004 10:51 PM

Thank you, Nancy, for your insights and all for comments. Something Carolyn said struck a cord especially:
"I almost became ill listening to his lies." Everybody be careful to care for yourselves, keep a guard up--literally.
Just as being around someone with the flu can leave you vunerable-- those who would destroy our Republic for personal gain are much more toxic. Use psychic defense: love, laugh, visualize the fortifications that keep them at bay. We all need to keep strong and care for ourselves and each other.

Posted by: Barbara on January 9, 2004 12:47 AM

I can relate to Carolyn not being able to watch the whole thing. I had to go into another room for a time then steeled myself to go back and watch the remainder - all the while sitting on the couch in disbelief at what I was hearing. As Barbara warned, today I feel like I'm suffering from a major Pearle hangover.
On another note, I came across this interesting article - focused for England, but I wonder if it has any relevance/effect for the US 2004 elections?
http://www.asteria.freeserve.co.uk/grandquint/

Posted by: Jeanie on January 9, 2004 01:10 AM

Here's another astro article that I found interesting. It would perhaps explain the large success that Dean has had in tapping into young new voters.
http://www.asteria.freeserve.co.uk/bnrads/

Posted by: Jeanie on January 9, 2004 01:31 AM

Barbara: thank you! so much for the beautiful, loving reminder. I particularly find myself susceptible,mentally & emotionally- (Pisces moon, Cancer asc).

Posted by: Peg on January 9, 2004 03:08 AM

Here is a terrific article on the Pluto Mars aspect in the US chart. It gives some historical references I was unaware of, such as the British burning of DC on Pluto square to Mars and the San Francisco earthquake.

http://www.edtamplin.com/articles/pluto.html

It is worth noting that after the election, through November, is the last pass of Pluto opposite US Mars. So Bush could pull some stuff then. It is hard to say what will happen but it is scary. This is one powerful aspect we are just beginning to enter now.

Regarding Republicans against Bush, I just heard some guy who is running against Bush in NH being questioned on CSpan. He was furious at Bush for his fiscal irresponsibility, his going into Iraq, his not finishing Afghansitan, his inattention to global warming, etc. He could have been in the Democratic debate. It was amazing. He said lots of Pubs are furious. He called himself a real conservative not a neocon.

Posted by: Nancy on January 9, 2004 04:09 AM

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/earthmind1.html

Posted by: JoannaOregon on January 9, 2004 04:19 AM

Nancy, doesn't the Pluto transit also oppose Dean's and Clark's natal Mars at the same time? Seems like I saw that, but I don't have my papers with me at the moment. Thanks!

Posted by: shylurker on January 9, 2004 04:48 AM

Clark's Mars is 20sag07, so he is now under the Pluto transit. It was very strong in December and has juiced him up quite a bit.

Dean's Mars is 23Sag17, so he will actually be hit by the Pluto transit beginning in January 2005.

I don't think I posted here (sorry if I am repeating myself) that I now an trusting the time we have for Dean's chart. A great case can be made for Saturn on his Ascendant right now, activating the third house Saturn. He is being criticized for being undisciplined in his communicating (lessons of Saturn in the 3rd). But if his Ascendant is 9 Cancer, then he will get the full impact of the Venus/Jupiter conjunction at 8Libra30 in early November 2004. This suggests that if he does win the nomination, he could very definitely win the election. Both Venus and Jupiter then move on to trine the ruler of his Asc, the Moon, at 10 Gemini, also in November 2004. So for all you Deanites as well as for those who worry he can't win, this is good news.

Posted by: Nancy on January 9, 2004 08:56 PM

I certainly find it interesting that JoannaOregon-1/8 commented on Alcoholism/Addictions/Bush and many of his most ardent supporters. For some time I have thought that Bush is what AA describes as a” Dry Drunk” or a person that’s a drunk in every sense of the word except for the actual act of drinking. Bush by his own admission was a heavy drinker for at least 22 years. The US public has been asked to suspend rational thinking and believe that Bush was miraculously capable of going “Totally Cold Turkey” after at least two decades of excessive brain damaging and disproportionate drinking. With or without “Gods” help this would be a statistic-defying feat. Bush, in his fifties, is incapable of coherently stringing more than two sentences together, is short and irritable when confronted with anyone that dares disagree with him, has public temper tantrums, has a short attention span, needs excessive sleep and constant vacations to rest. (And the list of symptoms goes on and on). Frighteningly, one of the most telling symptoms is his complete eagerness to engage in violence at any cost and his total inability to adequately explain this dangerous behavior or identify with the consequences. If we believe research, Bush exhibits the behavior and pathologies of the typical long-term alcoholic, or what AA calls a “Dry Drunk” Our nation is on a run away train with a “Dry Drunk” at the controls, looks like we have become a nation of enablers. I think George W. Bush is in need of a much over-due intervention.

Posted by: Carolyn on January 9, 2004 11:09 PM

Here's a link to an article on the subject of Peak Oil http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net ...I don't know if any of the contributors or posters here have read or heard about this subject, but it is quietly, and very slowly being picked up on by some of the mainstream media. (Interestingly, Shell Oil announced just today that their production capacity was 20% less than they had projected. CNN recently featured a short piece on this coming catastrophe as well).

While the attached article is written by a fellow who is not trained in the subject matter, the article has been pulled together from sources who are recognized for their expertise in petroleum production and geology

The author of the piece makes a very cogent remark about none of the current crop of candidates (except Kucinich) having uttered a word about this. Obviously it’s real, and it goes a long way in explaining why the current cartel seem so hell bent on world domination and so seemingly unconcerned about the gutting of the US’s social safety nets for the majority of its citizens, not to mention the rape of the ecosystems with their willfully reckless fiscal and environmental policies.

I’m just wondering what insights any of you may have on this from an astrological perspective and if there are means to astrologically determine where we are on the timeline involved in the decline of the oil reserves.

Posted by: susan on January 9, 2004 11:13 PM

So now we have a tell-all book coming out about working in the Bush Administration sourced by one of his former Cabinet Secretaries, Paul O'Neill. From what I've read about it, (see link to article below) it doesn't paint a flattering picture of Bush AT ALL!!! Can't wait to get my hands on it and gobble it up! And, of course, it's coming out before the Election. :-)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3818-2004Jan9.html

Enjoy!

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 9, 2004 11:40 PM

That Peak Oil article is very scary. We will have lost 4 years to deal with it under Bush. It seems to me if we worked hard at it we could cut our oil consumption to less than half by 2010, if we started now and focused on it. But that takes leadership.

Astrologically, Uranus squares the US Ascendant in 2006. I don't know what that will do, but it will likely bring something pretty intense that shakes things up. 2010 brings Pluto into opposition with natal Venus in the US chart. 2011 brings Pluto opposite natal Jupiter. 2014 brings Pluto opposite natal Sun. These all will have tremendous power to transform our lives. I would vote for the Pluto transits to be about Peak Oil.

Posted by: Nancy on January 10, 2004 02:00 AM

Jonathan - I think O'Neill will be on 20/20 on Sunday as well. Should be quite juicy1

Posted by: Nancy on January 10, 2004 02:06 AM

http://www.fromthewilderness.com has been warning about the implications of peak oil for some time. Glad to hear it's finally breaking into the straight press (sorry, but that's how we referred to it in the 60s; they were totally pandering and squarish then, too). Many thanks, Nancy, for looking at the transits of Pluto to the natal Mars of Clark and Dean. It concerns me that there could be a threat to them. Pretty violent potential, I thought. I'll go with your interpretation. Like it better.

Posted by: shylurker on January 10, 2004 02:14 AM

Carolyn, your "dry drunk" diagnosis sounds all too true. Don't think there will be any intervention, though, because interventions are done by friends. Dubya hasn't any friends--just people who serve him, and a smaller group that uses him. Nancy, thanks for all your insights--it feels like everything is coming to a head.

Posted by: Barbara on January 10, 2004 01:36 PM

Seems Elizabeth Joyce was very wrong about "President Gore"...

As an impartial (non-American) observer, I must say that I do not like Dean and find him very evasive. I started paying attention to Clark after he was mentioned on this site quite a few months ago as (president-to-be) Hillary Clinton's running mate. After seeing him on last week's "Meet The Press" I was impressed by his straight-talking manner and the way he stood behind and defended every controversial statement he had made.

After lurking on this site for a while, I get the distinct impression that even astrologers fall prey to wishful thinking at times.

Posted by: mars on January 10, 2004 04:58 PM

O'Neill will be on "60 Minutes" tomorrow, and it sounds like a must-see. He says that the Bushies had plans to oust Saddam already in January 2001. They had papers about which countries had oil interests in Iraq, and they were plotting everything, gaining control, in detail. (Couple this with the story that they patently ignored Clintonites' warning about Osama Bin Laden, and there is incredible hubris and mendacity.) We knew, because of PNAC, that they'd wanted to do this for a long time, but a former insider is now saying it. He also says that Bush is remote and disengaged. (Dry drunk syndrome?) But interestingly, Bush apparently even himself questioned the need for more tax cuts for the rich, the second round, suggesting that they'd already had them, and the middle class should get the cuts. He was talked out of that view, and O'Neill was fired in part because he also questioned the second round of tax cuts. Not that O'Neill's a big liberal hero, but he had a disagreement, he was burned, and he's talking now. So not everyone is terrified of them, luckily!

Posted by: Tricia on January 10, 2004 06:25 PM

Hardly doubt that Bush-think, deluded religious fanaticism, the conservative right is going to do an intervention, especially since it would only bring to light their own delusion. Face it, Bush told the nation that mediocracy rules, that C grade level is just 'fabulous'. To the dumbed-down who want to buy into rhe Disney magic wand to be waved to make their lives 'perfect' and 'care -free' and 'plentiful' will keep popping those phrases to shove down their fear and sorrows. Tough times. I wish the Democrats would stop in-fighting and form a more united front. My gut reaction to Dean says 'No'. Just waiting to see who is there to vote for in Nov, then get my brain cells in a knot.
I just want the to creep to go. He is harmful to himself and to our Earth. He is the icon of our Collective Unconscious, isn't time for a paradigm shift?

Posted by: bhakti on January 10, 2004 07:21 PM

Maybe people are afraid to vote for Kucinich because they fear he cannot win. Here is a wonderful rebut to that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=29029

Posted by: Laura on January 10, 2004 07:53 PM

Actually, I like the good Dr. and its probably his straight-to-the-point bedside manner that apeals to me, although I know many who have a hard time with that style of communication. Some like more of a touchy-feely approach. That being said, Kerry or Clark are well qualified and would be fine with me to. For me its a toss up for those three, with Dean getting the edge.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 10, 2004 07:58 PM

We are in a time like never before where so many potential paths could lead to our destruction – global warming, peak oil, natural and human-imposed catastrophes. So many on this site who have expressed their views see the spiritual (not religious, which involves eqo and beliefs to be fought for) side of life. What are we here on Earth for, what is our purpose? I love astrology because it gives us the only road map we have in this determination. This next election is more important that we realize. It is the last 2-term period before the Mayan end-of-age which occurs on December 21, 2012 – where we are suppose to transition to a higher level.
It’s not good enough to beat Bush, although that is imperative. We need someone who will start turning things around in this Country in regard to treating people right and treating people fairly – all over the world. The problem I see with Dean is I think there would be too much status quo and we would be quagmired in Iraq for years. We did a horrible thing to that Country and the best way to rectify the situation is to turn the transition of their self-governance to an impartial body – U.N. and to pay for the damage we have done. Our troops are not wanted there and they are doing no good. I see Kucinich as a spiritual person who sees us part of the world family and as such would treat the world, as well as people in the US, fairly. Second best I think Clark is a fair person and could, I hope, rectify the situation in Iraq. I think all of the rest would keep us in the quagmire in Iraq too long. To take a quote from the Earthmind material that JoannaOregon pointed us to: “One group, the probable majority, will cling to the current status quo with increasing desperation and fear. They will attempt to maintain their militarized, fear-based, physical security-oriented materialism, even as the means for it is rapidly dwindling away.”

Does anybody else besides me have this feeling of peace, hope, love and favorable destiny when hearing Kucinich. You really don’t get the full effect of him unless you hear him in person. I am lucky enough to live in NH where I have met him quite often. I have never felt this from a political candidate before. He is really special.

Posted by: Laura on January 10, 2004 08:34 PM

the problem with the 'kucinich people' is exactly that they think that dean wants to 'stay in iraq' ala bushie..this is not so. what dean would do, is admit the war was wrong (which he's already done), and get the un in, in the best most humble way. that is what he'd do..we just can't jump out of iraq ala kucinich because then america once again lives up to it's reputation of destroying countries, and leaving. it's really rude of kucinich to purposely misinterpret dean and try to paint him with the brush of the oil barons. not so! of course kucinich is the best guy for the job of president, but sometimes you can't apply utopian ideals to a country that is truly and willingly (the blind approval of the war)...dysfunctional. when i voted nader i had faith in this country. to see the country and gore give it to bush when we all knew he stole it made me realize we're in this see saw of stupid people and evil people (dems & republicans), because that's the way americans have settled these 200 years after the true revolutions ruled the roost.. it'll take years to get back to where clinton had this country, and we should have left that behind for progress and the healing of the seemingly opposite ends of the spectrum that are in this usa..instead the rift is deeper. the right not only mis-understands the left, but it's gotten frightfully hateful on both sides.

Posted by: Roxanne on January 10, 2004 09:20 PM

I am the author and administrator of lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

I found this site when I logged into my web builiding account to see how people were finding my site.

When I'm not writing about the collapse of industrial civiliazation, I am reading about astrology and the like. So it is a bit of thrill to see my site being discussed on an astrology forum.

Nancy: your astrological anaylsis makes alot of sense. Interestingly enough, prior to getting into Peak Oil, I had been asking the Tarot about what was going to happen in the U.S. in the upcoming years. The tower came up! (also came up when I asked what we were supposed to learn from 9-11)

Sincerely,

M.S.

Posted by: M.S. on January 10, 2004 09:47 PM

Roxanne, I can only go by what Dean say in a debate that he thought we'd be in Iraq for years. I do not think that Kucinich purposely misrepresented Dean, I have never heard that. What I said was my own interpretation. I also do not believe that Kucinich would just leave the Country (Iraq) destroyed. But, I really appreciate your ability to look at the whole and be objective, and your opinion about him being too utopian for this Country - sad but true. But We've got to try!

Posted by: Laura on January 10, 2004 09:48 PM

M.S. Sadly, I do not know Tarot. What does the tower card mean?

Posted by: Laura on January 10, 2004 09:51 PM

Roxanne,

Once again you're apparently lumping people into one big group with your careless labels. I'm a Democrat, proudly voted for Gore, but those who knew me would never consider me "stupid" per your "see saw of stupid people and evil people (dems & republicans)" comment. And I trust there are many Republicans who are anything but evil! Brandishing a potentially hurtful and ridiculously shortsighted label on millions of people reminds me of what often happens when certain Conservatives portray those who disagree with them as "libral" or "evildoers" or worse. In my opinion, working with labels doesn't move the conversation along. And I strongly believe we can do much better on this Board.

As for Kucinich, I see nothing Presidential whatsoever about the man. I respect most of what he says (even when I disagree with him), and I sincerely believe his intentions are good and heartfelt, but, for me, there isn't one thing that screams PRESIDENT to me when I see him speak. I get that more with Clark, somewhat with Kerry and a bit with Dean. And I suspect Miss Mosley-Braun will be getting a post in the new Democratic Administration. She's very well-spoken. But Kucinich ... ? I don't know.

Just my two (or three) cents.

Looking forward to March when Bush's numbers start to tank and this Alternate Universe of Bushism begins to come to an end. :-)

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 10, 2004 09:53 PM

Unfortunately this country is not spiritually evolved enough as a whole to see the value of Kucinich as president. It is a mistaken idea to think that any "president" on his own can fix and run things - it requires a team effort. Kucinch would be an invaluable team member, but I do not see him being accepted as chairman of the board.

Posted by: Jeanie on January 10, 2004 09:56 PM

Jeannie, I so agree with you about a team effort. I wish we could do away with a President and move toward that kind of governance. However, I do see him as being chairman of the board.

Jonathan, maybe there is too much in the way of 'making of a President' that interferes with what should be important to people. Less politics, more real concern for people.

Peace

Posted by: Laura on January 10, 2004 10:05 PM

Laura,

Although I agree with your "less politics, more real concern for people" statement, we have to admit that, when it comes to people in power in Washington (and I'm not talking about politicians here), we're not working with those who are as kind, thoughtful and generous as we are. So, in order to win, we have to "think" like they do and then, once in office, change things so that the playing field will be equal. Unfortunately, when it comes to voting for a President, most people (at least that tiny percentage of Americans who do vote) do focus on what could be considered unimportant things. But if you want your guy (or gal) to win, your candidate has got to win over those people who aren't as spiritually aware or intellectually deep as we are. And, to do that, the unimportant things count.

I hope I'm making sense here. I'm not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to clumsily make what I think is a really good point.

Stay warm (for those of you, like myself, on the East Coast),

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 10, 2004 10:20 PM

I am a professional Tarot reader.
First, I will say each person has their own way to read the cards. There is no rigid system. The TOWER card is a Major Arcana card which holds more spiritual significance than the Minor Arcana or numbered cards. It is ruled by Mars and is about a rash change. Like the tower of Bable, illusions are shattered, by strokes of lightening or reality. Lightening is a symbol for the Shakti or goddess power which is the power of Grace and grace dissolves illusions. Like building on quicksand to only sink after a rude awakening. I also felt this Tarot before 911 and thought about the shattered illusions of so many in the world. But our governing powers are all stoned out, trying to get you stoned out on shopping, food, alcohol etc etc etc.

Posted by: bhakti on January 10, 2004 10:41 PM

bhakti, if you don't mind, which card do you get when you ask about the future of our republic? (And if you do mind, I apologize.) Tnx!

Posted by: shylurker on January 10, 2004 10:45 PM

thanks for the tarot readings gentlemen. I LOVE DENNIS KUCINICH. there, I said it, feeling like a teenager with her first crush, lol. Sadly, the country is not QUITE ready for him yet, but it's possible we might get there yet. Dean's ok, Clark too, but I'm a ABB person. Anyway, I feel the mood of the country polarizing even more; I feel the "light" is becoming brighter, but the "dark" is also getting darker. Personally, it feels good to me to have definition instead of wishy washy grayness.

Posted by: Peg on January 10, 2004 11:57 PM

I'm with you, Peg. I'm an A(nybody) B(ut) B(ush) person! And I too would rather have definition instead of grey. I also am starting to believe that the country is beginning to wakw-up a bit to this Administration and the next round of scandal and bad news will "take" more strongly than the last. The last thing many Americans want to feel is foolish ... and, if they learn Bush has lied, and they've supported these lies, they'll feel "taken", tricked and "had" and the retribution will be swift and lasting.

Just a feeling I've been getting lately.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 11, 2004 12:19 AM

some folks, Jonathan, let's hope it's enough :) My 65 year old mom wrote D.Kucinich's name down on her "notebook" to watch, that's something! BTW, did anybody see Joe Trippi on Paula Zahn raising the Diebold issue? P.Z. tried to shut him down, but Trippi is GOOOOOOOD. Reminder: 60 minutes Sunday night!!!!!

Posted by: Peg on January 11, 2004 12:25 AM

I think Peg is right--the country is polarizing even more. But some of the people on the "dark side" don't even know it--they think they are supporting an American cowboy hero but they would be heart-broken if they understood how corrupt and cancerous the morals of Bush & Co really are. They've been sold a brand, like the Marlboro Man. Re Kuscinich- -he has guts. I admire him. But I got the impression at the FL Dem Convention that all the candidates there, except Dean, were thinking in a top down sort of way. Even Kuscinich, who is definitely on the side of peace and sanity, is thinking more in terms of imposing his views. Maybe that's just leadership. But I got the impression that Dean really thinks grassroots Democracy works. Dean is not folksy with that Capricorn moon--same as mine--but I am hoping being himself will appeal to the public. (Bush isn't folksy either, but he play acts it pretty well.) Bottom line I'm an ABB person, too.

Posted by: Barbara on January 11, 2004 12:42 AM

I keep thinking of Chiron on the MC at the time of the next inauguration. It is my hope there will be a doctor in the house.

Posted by: Laurie on January 11, 2004 01:02 AM

Barbara, I think you're exactly right. This intense polarization is one of the most dangerous things we face. The thing that frustrates me the most is that Bush supporters seem to become even more polarized, the more his mistakes become obvious... they dig in their heels even more, and it's turned into this sophomoric, "school rivalry" sort of thing as opposed to these people looking logically at his policies and seeing how miserably they have failed. People don't want to "lose face" so they continue to support a lunatic, even though, deep down, they MUST know he's bad for the country.

Laura, I also love Kucinich and also live in NH. (California dreamin', though!) You must be as frustrated as I am, living in such a conservative state - ugh. Sadly, I don't think America is ready for Kucinich's vision - there are just too many selfish, greedy people to accept him as president, and I hate that. I live for the day Bush is exposed and removed - ANYBODY but Bush. We will have achieved leaps and bounds just to get rid of him.

Posted by: Lucy on January 11, 2004 04:50 PM

I have been reading about Kucinich. The guy would be better off as the "conscience" replacement for Nader. He simply does not radiate the necessary "King" archetype necessary for leading a struggling, hurting nation. Dean has what it takes in that department, plus the executive experience.

It is no accident that Fate has elevated a Scorpio healer to be our Democratic frontrunner. Scorpio looks unflinchingly at the depth and despair, and works hard to heal the same. As a doctor, he has seen both life and death, the depths to which people can sink (9-year old victim of a driveby shooting as a medical student), and has brought people into the world. How many children has Howard delivered and saved? He looks at an ailing nation that needs healing, and wants to heal it. He's already healing the Democratic Party by bring the people back into it, raising their spirits and energy. He's also draining the swamp-think about what this campaign has revealed about the Washington leadership and why they have not stood up for us. He's revealed all of their pettiness and incompetence for the world to see. Long empty party positions on the precinct level are being filled again. He's helping us heal our unmourned losses by bringing up the ghosts of the past-McGovern, et.al. He's telling the truth about the Republican strategy to divide and conquer a nation.

Should Howard get the nomination, he will go on to heal the nation by bringing us all together again. I think he'll bring true closure to 9/11 and 2000.

Posted by: Carol on January 11, 2004 08:04 PM

Was Clark announcing his bid for president during September's Mercury retro discussed? I didn't see anything down below on it.

Posted by: Lysa on January 12, 2004 05:02 AM

oh jonathan, you'll never understand me! when i say dems and repubs, i am not referring to 'the people' but to the leaders..and of course there's always exceptions to rules, i mean it generally...some generalizations do ring true, but nothing is completely definitive ever..if you don't think that GENERALLY dems have been dumb since the 2000 election, and repubs have in fact BEEN EVIL, then, i don't know what!!!

Posted by: Roxanne on January 12, 2004 06:43 AM

No problem, Roxanne. I guess I'm just someone who was brought up understanding and recognizing the inherent danger of generalizations. Of course, many Dems have been stupid since 2000 and there are many Republicans who one might classify as "evil", but, again, there will always be exceptions to the rule.

Thanks for the response, Roxanne.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on January 12, 2004 03:29 PM

Read the article about peak oil. Makes sense and is as scary as all the other doomsday scenarios. One missing ingredient is the spiritual aspect of Mother Earth and her inhabitants. We still seek mundane world answers, (grow our own food, quit using oil etc) All good ideas, but how much much more can be accomplished with our higher selves at work? We seek the patriarchal left brain answers when maybe it's the right brain Earth Mother side of us (men and women alike) we should focus on to change the planet. Nothing is impossible!
peace

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