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The Full Moon v/c 21 Capricorn 7/13/2003 3:21 EDT

The zodiacal, diabolical sign of Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, with the Saturnian Task Master's influence comes an accounting, a judgement, a weighing of facts and actions. Reaping what you've, ahem, sown, with Saturn's influence upon the Full Moon manifesting in the US 2nd House, where our assets are and what American's value, you can expect the People's reaction to the growing personal economic crisis to be highlighted in the coming days. These are the fruits and manifestations of actions set in motion during the recent solar lunar cycles. The Moon is simply calling for an accounting dum dah dum dum. I watched the Sunday morning damage control dance by the Bush Co Troupe of NeoCon's for breakfast, no matter how many times Condi Rice and Rummy change Weapons of Mass Destruction to Weapons Programs another media sound byte records the revision, as well as having the original Weapons of Mass Destruction deliverable and smack the Brits in 45 minutes. These people don't get. Their jig is up, WMD's there are none in Iraq and they were not there when we attacked.

The Chart

Yes, America launched a pre-emptive war for a threat that did not exist. The entire Nation had better look at Damage Control. Bush can be voted out, America's image has been recast. Remember Pluto in the First House? America has a new image, and it isn't the one Represented by the Statue of Liberty. Hundreds of thousands of voices world wide warned Bush, warned Congress, warned the Senate, the Surpeme Court, the Pentagon, and they were ignored in the days leading up to the invasion. Condi Rice, Don Rumsfield trying to change the implications for the pResidents speeches on the Sunday morning talk shows after driveing the country into a fevered pitch in fear of imminent attack leading up to the invasion, just dug themselves in only deeper with their verbal deceptions today and insults the intelligence of every American. Saturn says. 'show me the proof', bam with the ruler accross your fingers, 'Where is the proof?' smack with the ruler again. Every media outlet in the world, press association, television outlet, hung on the SOTU address delivered by George Bush, the transript of which is on the White House web site (SOTU). The Internet recorded every sound byte, every last word of it. This speech was the sales job to the American People on the selling of the war and why he (George Bush) was invading a soverign nation spilling innocent blood, destroying the Iraqi civilian infrastructure, and bringing a horrifying end to thousands of Iraqi lives, soldiers, men, women and children. Hundreds of thousands of People worldwide had protested in the streets of world capitols and nationaly city by city, saying "stop", "wait", "there's no proof!", stop Mr. President. He did not stop, he did not wait, he did not listen. He lied to the People, and People died.

Transiting Mercury 0 degrees Leo is empowering the Press to turn up the flame, "What is this!!?" The North Node in Taurus 28 degrees 6th House reflects the depression felt by our troops in uniform, bogged down, mired in the sands. Ohioians are hungry, lining up for miles in their cars waiting for a twice monthly food distribution, the only food they can get, no jobs, and I hear words like four billion American Tax dollars a month for Iraq for only four years? How much food does four billion buy for the hungry in America? Not to mention that we are using the Iraqi's oil to pay for the war and the rebuilding of their country? Huh, they get raped more by U.S.A. Corporate greed?

Now some say all this is about establishing the one world governance body, a battle between the NeoCon and the Liberal, but wait there's another group of players. Where I thought we had only two big players the blood thirsty riches grubbing people enslaving Right, and the "you are flippin nuts(!) Left (that's those of us that favor peace, cooperation and universal prosperity). Now there seems to be a Third Way, with Bill Clinton yukking it back up with Tony 'the Poodle' Blair whose going down in flames, and who just so happens to be coming to America to address a joint session of Congress on July 17 with his pal'y Bush, yes there's that date again. South Node in Scorpio 12th House, what more will come spilling into the light? Hmm?

This madness will stop with the American People speaking up in even greater numbers. This Full Moon period is such an excellent time to demand an accounting. A gal told me her senators and congressional respresentative were pro Bush Repub's and that contacting them with her concerns would be futile. Oh, no, "excuse me Sir, what is this, and this and this and this!", every single piece of documentation, news article, television statement or miss statement, tag'em, "What the "blankety blank" is this?: I'd be looking to see them piddle their pants, every day Joe Citizen knows about this? Who leaked? Call those crooks for an accounting! Show them the proof. Paraphrasing Ron Brownstein of the Los Angeles Times, the more heat they (Congress) feels from the people their response will become proportionate.

The Shakespearian death throes by Tenet are not washing. The good soldier fell on his sword to protect his liege. Claudia Dikinis has an excellent look at this drama as it unfolds. Howard Dean should tack on 'prophet' to his presidential credentials, he called that play. Have to chuckle, the Tenet sacrifice is only scenting the waters with his blood, which only draws the circling sharks in closer to their bleeding prey, Mars in Pisces, 3rd House of the Press, communications, a vast area enclosing a sign and a half, lot's and lot's of action here. Thank you UK Guardian (scary when the British Press alerts Americans to the chicanery being laid on them!).

By the way, notice Hurricane Claudette chugging away in the Gulf Of Mexico, making aim for, ah, you guessed it, Texas, another omen? "Bring Em' On", looks like Gaia took him up on that one too!

Amidst all of this global chaos one must also take note of the Krakatoa eruption in conjunction with Mars' last close encounter with Earth, more to come on this topic. The last time was explosive! Gaia can make all our water a lot hotter! Look out for some geologic activity.

Speaking of Earthquakes, the one the Repub's are triggering in California make to shake the foundations of the nation. Thirtyfour million of us, more to come on this topic!

Morgana Seawalker on Jul 14 | Link
Comments

It seems self-serving to me to rave about the astrologers who post here, Geneva, Nancy, Art and Morgana but the information and articles they contribute are so fantastic and informative, that I feel I must. Morgana, this is outstanding and thank you for sharing this information with us.

I also want to applaud the incredible wealth of information our posters share with us and their interpretations, you don't know what a valuable contribution you are making.

Posted by: Sally on July 14, 2003 07:12 PM

Thank you Morgana for this article and thank you Sally for keeping this website running, and thank you to all the astrologers who post their findings. We all appreciate it more than we can say.

I don't think this is going away. After this, there WILL be investigations and there WILL be leaks. And guess what folks, the media will not be looking the other way any more. It is just going to multiply and the administration won't know what hit them.

Posted by: Laurie on July 14, 2003 08:22 PM

You know Laurie, I do believe you are right about the media, and every major astrologer I know including me believes this will happen soon. Pretty soon (unless we have blackouts) our little national media is being dwarfed by the world's media reports, respected reports. I've noticed more and more foreign journalists, including Canada and Mexico are asking "what's up with the media in the US." Once when one of my daughters was two, her paternal grandmother was holding her hand tightly and guiding her to "color" within the lines of a coloring book. I came into the room and she released her hand and my little 2 year old just started scribling everywhere. That's what I think is happening in America, everyone is trying to control us, our thoughts our words and people are coming into the room (the world) saying "what's going on here." Repression is never successful forever.

Posted by: Sally on July 14, 2003 08:31 PM

Morgana, you speak of the paths to establishing one world governance body. Are you aware that outside the US there is a movement afoot seeking the early resignation of Kofi Annan as Secretary General of the UN? This subject may be visited by that body early this fall. And who is to be the replacement? Bill Clinton. Ja, many countries from Ireland to China are endorsing this move. So, I am curious how all of you, the multi-talented of this site, view this possiblity. Americans would have a powerful reason to pay attention to their role in global community. Americans are so loyal to their "team" it will be interesting to see what happens to their loyalty if there are two teams on the playing field.

Posted by: elen on July 14, 2003 09:04 PM

Good question Elen, Americans seem to be loyal to whatever team is in power and seem to need to be told what to believe. First we believe in democratic elections but make not a peep when it's upsurped. We believe in healthy environmnent, but very few say anything about destroying the environment which seems to be on this administrations agenda, we support pre-emption strikes, supported a disastrous tax cut, we didn't even understand it except being excited about receiving pennies.

Astrologically, with Pluto in the 1st house of the US Chart (transiting Pluto) and natal Pluto having moved to the progressed 7th house of the US Chart, we are in the process of self-destruction on a collective basis, but nothing exists in a vacumn so something will rise to take the place of a failed democracy, and at this point it has failed. Not just in the destructive policies but in the apathy of the people. So will this be the thing to take it's place, will it be better or worse? I would suggest that we all pay close attention to what other movements out there believe and what they are up to. I would suggest that the people must inform themselves.

The "Third Way" Site has lots of material stating their beliefs, they seem to be gathering steam with money and power. The United States is marching right down the path of standing alone in the world. We will not be a super-power by standing alone, it will not happen. If the rest of the world's money and power leave the US, the money and power here will go with them, simply because there won't be any money if their only market is the US, corporate must sell to other countries, we must trade with other countries. George Bush and friends in their own money and power grab will be expendable, no matter what the Texas Tea group thinks they are not that strong alone. Even Bush's father knows that.

There is another way rising and it has been for quite some time. I think "the Third Way" is the offshoot or even the response to what has been called here and abroad "The Cultural Creatives" there is a book on the subject written about 2 years ago, what the Third Way describes is exactly what this group is striving for, but haven't had a leader. The Third Way started in 1990, March 17th to be exact in London, has grown fast. Learn about them, because they are gathering the wherewithall to put the power back into the people's hands, are we ready to take responsibility for ourselves.

Posted by: Sally on July 14, 2003 09:29 PM

Sally, what you said reminded me of the end of Dean's speech last month when he said, "You have the power . . . ." over and over and it made me cry, because he was right. We have the power. And we NEEDED to be told this. We have the power to vote in better representation and we have the power to "take our country back." It has, literally, been stolen from us. I don't know about this "Third Way" but I will start to keep my ears and eyes open for it.

Posted by: on July 14, 2003 10:04 PM

I may have already written this in a previous posting, but I think it's amazing how well the Republicans dug themselves a hole with President Clinton's Impeachment over his dishonesty. The bar was set so low, and Clinton's Impeachment and it's history so ingrained in our collective American psyche, that Bush's lies, the ones that are leading to the deaths of dozens of Americans and untold hundreds (thousands?) of Iraqis, will be increasingly difficult to spin away. And even more difficult to protect the Administration from. Perhaps Bush will be succesfully Impeached because of this. Anyway, just thought I'd put in my two cents.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on July 14, 2003 10:30 PM

Morgana has a link to the site in her article, also to the reference of Clinton talking to Blair.

We really do need to familarize ourselves with what is happening what is proposed, who wants to lead us and do we want that. As hard as it seems to hear, and as frightening as it might sound, America as we have known it, is dying, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. If we don't just follow or reject out of hand we can have a say in how it's restructured. I want that say for us.

Posted by: Sally on July 14, 2003 10:51 PM

Ahem. "Diabolical Capricorn?" Tell me it isn't so! Certainly Karl Rove deserves the label, but, please, there are many of us who are the very antithesis of this wannabe Machiavelli!

Otherwise, great article!

Posted by: JC on July 14, 2003 11:03 PM

Elen, thank you for sharing that with us, Americans are sadly lagging in the information area, despite our technology. I would love to get a solid time for the formation of The ThirdWay. The USA chart has a zillion variations, and I would love to work with a good solid date time, and I know the other astrologers would also. We're nosy. America is a nation of imigrants, it's also a nation being bankrupted, Patriot II is everyone's worst nightmare.
M

Posted by: Morgana on July 15, 2003 12:12 AM

I have such gratitude for the work that is done here. Thank you so much! Morgana I've sent your article far and wide.

Here is a wonderful article I think everyone will enjoy.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0714-01.htm

Cheney should be very worried.

Posted by: Pat on July 15, 2003 12:39 AM

these guys aren't worried a bit, Pat. Don't kid yourself- they have contingency plans for everything, including the "spin" necessary to keep it all going. What we are witnessing is true, unadulterated evil, that cannot be "beat", only transformed.

Posted by: Peg on July 15, 2003 01:06 AM

oh yeah, sorry Morgana: EXCELLENT piece :) and to Sally for your continued enightened analases: YEAH!!! THANK YOU :)

Posted by: Peg on July 15, 2003 01:07 AM

Peg,

I respectfully disagree with you, Peg. I believe these guys, for the first time in this Administration, ARE worried. And they're worried because the foreign press has been hammering them and now the usually docile and easily manipulated American press (despite the nicknames he's generously given each reporter) is now following suit and asking really tough questions. And their usual Plan B (Tenet taking the fall, for example) isn't working! And neither is their spin. So, I do believe they are worried and the more and more these questions are asked and Bush's honesty, integrity and credibility are questioned, the angrier and angrier and angrier they'll get e.g. "This matter is closed!" Feel guilty saying this, but it should be fun to watch. :-)

Impeachment anyone? With an extra helping of humiliation, shame on the Bush Family, and everlasting Infamy in the History Books? Not exactly what they hoped they get when installed Jr. in the White House, is it.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on July 15, 2003 01:36 AM

Jonathan, I completely agree. It's not that the US and this administration and the media wouldn't like, "love" to "move-on" but Britian isn't going to move on. They have some very powerful spokesmen who are going to keep hammering away on this and if they get rid of Blair for "lying" America WILL know that Bush and Blair went hand and hand. It will ultimately be the BBC and the Brits who will keep this pot stirring. It will not go away.

And to JC, don't worry about the "diabolical Capricorn" statement, you should see what the astrology books say about Scorpio, and I'm a Scorpio. These are generalizations and Rove is a "diabolical Capricorn," doubtful that you are because you're reading this site and there is nothing like and "enlightened Capricorn."

Posted by: Sally on July 15, 2003 01:59 AM

I am a Capricorn too! Saturn opposite Sun, MH, Merc, NNode and prog Venus at this moment. I'm just 'doing it', meaning all the hard work this transit is bringing up and hope it's for the best.
I love Cosmic Justice. Where's that Nemeisis? The Universe writes the best scripts. I also feel sorry for Cowboy Jr. as the Karma Sheriff is headed for the ranch.
I will say something positive about GWBushie, I have learned so much astrology since his Residency. This is fascinating stuff, unfortunately off the lives of other humans.
Thanks for this great community all!

Posted by: bhakti on July 15, 2003 02:47 AM

From Moveon-

On Thursday, we launched a new hard-hitting "Misleader" TV ad which asks whether the president misused intelligence to make the case for war. The ad says, "George Bush told us Iraq was a nuclear threat. He said they were trying to purchase uranium. That they were rebuilding their nuclear facilities. So we went to war. Now, there’s evidence we were misled. And almost every day, Americans are dying in Iraq. We need the truth, not a cover-up. Log on to misleader.org today."

Since Thursday, the ad has appeared (for free) on the news programs of CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox, PBS, and NPR, and was covered on the Washington Post on Friday. You can check it out at:

http://www.misleader.org/

To sign the Moveon petition- "Distortion of Evidence Tell Congress to Do Its Job"

"If we work together, we can hit 350,000 signers by Wednesday, and really impress Congress. But we'll need your help. 4,700 people have already signed the petition to Congressman Nadler. Our goal is to hit 5,900; we can do it if everyone who signed brings in a few more people. Please take a moment to forward the message below to your friends, and urge them to sign on now at:

http://www.moveon.org/wmdpledge/

Posted by: Pat on July 15, 2003 03:02 AM

Check out this link for an interesting discussion of Bush's current neptune transit and how all untruths pushed forward under that transit come back to haunt.

http://www.thefutureminders.com/astrology-horoscope-channel/astrology-George/Bush-horoscope-2.htm

Posted by: pam on July 15, 2003 03:54 AM

Hope other nations follow suit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/15/international/worldspecial/15INDI.html

Posted by: Crystal on July 15, 2003 04:10 AM

Looks like new lies in the making to cover up the old lies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/15/opinion/15KRUG.html

Posted by: Crystal on July 15, 2003 04:48 AM

Bait tastey Iranian morsel?

Report: Iran Makes Giant New Oil Find
Mon Jul 14, 8:54 AM ET

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has made a major new oil find containing estimated reserves of more than 38 billion barrels, making it one of the world's biggest undeveloped fields, a senior oil official was quoted as saying Monday.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030714/bs_nm/energy_iran_find_dc_1

Posted by: Morgana on July 15, 2003 05:07 AM

Bravo Morgana for telling like it is!
We the astrologers and people of spiritual substance must be heard even louder then the Feb. Full Moon. Yes it is time to demand an accounting and ask for true security not the smoking mirrors of "homeland security's dollar drain"

Moon in Capricorn scapegoats won't wash anymore. As William Rivers Pitt of www.truthout.org said on KPFA this afternoon of the SOTU address" it's not a question of Bush spouting falsehoods It was all a lie. All of it.
Thttp://truthout.org/docs_03/071103A.shtml

Also now that Merc. has entered Leo the media will blast thru the dark reecesses of Bush's 12th house pushing secret agendas to the forefront.
T N. Node in Taurus at 28 degrees does fall in the 6th hoouse of the Sibley chart brings a double whammy to the people/military at 27 Aquarius who are literally sick to their stomachs from corp. greed. Note the protests to WalMart expansion in the Midwest. Enough is enough!
We certainly don't need Capricorn Conservative Rush Limbaugh, a self-proclaimed expert on just about everything telling us about Football!?
Now the average Joe might be amused by a half-ass comedian like Dennis Miller but Rush Limburger really smells. We will need all those gas masks to protect us from the Neo Con rotting odors!

Posted by: Arturo Raymundo on July 15, 2003 05:21 AM

Dear Morgana and everyone,

Thank you for the article here...you know I still live in a very quieted town...people were pro Bush here now everyone is very quiet...They are quoting Kucinich and Graham frequently on the local nightly CBS news though and it is clear the spin slowed and started turning the other way...I am going to participate in the moveon.org petition...those folks are very organized and have got their timing down right...others I know are more cynical and not really interested in their efforts but I think they represent an important group of people - regular people who trust they are empowered to speak - and that are being heard by some at least - and that is unusual these days...but yes I think we are in the critical mass stage of a "representative" democracy gone way off course...Pluto says to me the old labels don't work anymore...not for neocons, not for Clinton,not for liberals, not for any of us...Pluto is about redefining the discourse and really I am blown away by the world's hope for our country as horrible as our government has been towards the world...we are getting what we don't deserve and that is a miracle to me...when will we ever learn, when will we ever learn...we are but many Americans are scared because we have not been thinking for ourselves and have given away our power and so reality hits...I am with Morgana - this continues to be the time to speak up!
Has anyone considered here the news that a governing democratic body was formed in IRAQ - Sunday? I don't remember the date - maybe it is not official really so not so important yet...?Again thank you one and all - there is love here in sharing our concerns...this is hard to find these days.

M.

Posted by: Madeline on July 15, 2003 06:45 AM

I'm a Capricorn, too! I hope I'm on my way to an enlightened one, though. (However, I'll concede that it's part of my nature to plan, and I like to think of ways to counteract the forces of evil as represented by diabolical types like Rove. I'll argue against them until they're comatose with exhaustion, with lots and lots of material!) I don't take the label personally. I hate when they say Cappies are conservative and greedy, though!

Posted by: tricia on July 15, 2003 04:58 PM

Tricia,
Here's something I've noticed consistently about Capricorns: they embody the ability to self-heal and heal others. I've noted Capricorns of my aquaintance take themselves to the brink of (serious) illness again and again, and then almost overnight heal themselves. From this they seem to also develop the ability to heal others.
Maybe that's why "they" placed Christ's birthday in Capricorn.
My work in life is training energy healers, so I'm something of an expert, or at least a trained observer.

Posted by: bbuster on July 15, 2003 07:20 PM

Tricia, don't worry about being conservative and greedy there are good things to that, I expect those comments are given by people who didn't know what the word "frugal" meant. Words mean nothing, it's how they are applied. I once had a son who said I was "Manipulative" I told him that I was had been concerned that my one true gift would go unnoticed by my children and now I find that someone noticed. I went on to explain that of course I was manipulative, how else could I have stayed ahead of their attempts to manipulate me unless I was better. There are good things to conservative and sometimes the word "greed" is used by people who are jealous of what another has saved to be able to have. It's not the quality or the words used, it's how the quality is used.

Posted by: Sally on July 15, 2003 08:41 PM

Join the earth sign club, Tricia. I'm a Taurus and Taureseans are said to be conservative, materialistic and lazy.
They're just jealous because we provide a foundation of stability and we are not flaky like air signs or drama queens(kings) like fire signs or emotional basketcases like water signs.

Please no flamers; those comments were made in jest!!!!!!!!!!
LOL

Posted by: Patrick on July 15, 2003 08:45 PM

Sorry to have offended all of you earth types! There is always the highest vibration of any sign or element as well as the lowest vibration of which we are seeing so much of lately. I have the greatest appreciation for the finest and higest vibration manifestation of each sign. Capy's are great have many wonderful earth folks in my life, some times I think ya'll are the Etna's of the zodiac. Love ya!

Posted by: Morgana on July 15, 2003 09:21 PM

David Broder has an amazing Op-Ed in today's (15 July) issue of the Washington Post. He mentions that, should Bush not be re-elected, people will look back on 10 July as "Black Thursday" when the networks and the cable stations led off their evening with news of Bush's lies about WMDs and the struggling economy, food lines and all. Just out of curiousity, perhaps one of you incredibly talented astrologers can take a look at that day in particular and see what comes up? Just interesting that David Broder would put a day out there as the day Bush lost his re-election bid.

Just a thought ... :-)

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on July 15, 2003 10:20 PM

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071503_watergate_II.html

BLOOD IN THE WATER
Watergate II

The speed with which CIA Director George Tenet accepted responsibility last Friday for clearing George W. Bush's January 28 State of the Union Speech containing the bogus Iraq-uranium statement based upon forged documents was matched by the speed with which major news agencies - many of which had already been serving as conduits for CIA leaks - released stories that guaranteed deeper and more hostile probes. The writing appears to be on the wall for a beleaguered and disarrayed presidency, as key administration officials including Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice either wittingly or unwittingly line up like chess pieces to take the fall for a doomed King.

A multitude of stories appearing within hours of the Bush/Rice statements and Tenet's "confession" disclosed that the DCI (Director of Central Intelligence) had successfully and personally argued for the removal of a similar line three months before the State-of-the-Union speech. His admission is not credible.

Statements by both Bush and departing press spokesman Ari Fleischer that the matter is now closed will likely go down as wishful and quite possibly delusional thinking. Famous last words. Recalled is the line from Watergate's John Dean, "There is a cancer growing on the Presidency." This is the kind of cancer that eats official after official until there is nothing left between it and the King.

The deliberate distortion and misrepresentation of intelligence data about Iraq is much broader than a single line in the President's speech, and the reliance on that lie by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Powell - both before and after the speech, and after it was known that the intelligence was bogus - is already being dragged into the light. The noose that will ultimately hang George W. Bush is a meticulous and carefully crafted official record compiled by California Congressman Henry Waxman (D) that has been in place since last March of this year.

On Sunday July 13, Britain's Independent, signaling a very rough road ahead for Prime Minister Tony Blair published a story titled "Twenty Lies About the War". The top two lies listed were that Iraq was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that Iraq had been working with al Qaeda. The entire story is located at:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=424008. Every British and American assertion about Iraq is now on the table. So is 9/11. And there is no way out for either Blair or Bush.

It is critical to understand what last Friday's statement addressed, and what it did not. Tenet's ultimate position on the line in Bush's based-upon-fiction Iraqi attempts to purchase uranium was that "the statement was factually correct because the British government had released a report saying so." This is the same position taken by Rice. Since there is a clear record that George Tenet, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and the State Department all knew that the charge was unfounded for months before the speech, this amounts to Tenet, Rice and Bush stating that the line was included after it was known that it was false, only because of a technicality. Six-year-old children deceive better than this.

That position is an admission of intent to deceive the American people and the world. Tenet's statement itself begs the question, "Well, if you knew it was false, why did you sign off on it?"

More.......

Posted by: Pat on July 15, 2003 10:31 PM

I'm sorry to keep posting articles instead of conversation but......this one...........is astounding.

http://www.sunmt.org/bushsenegal.html

Bush brings his own lunch, dogs, cars, 700 agents, tree cutters, reporters and soda pop.

I can only say that I hope it's a hoax.

Posted by: Pat on July 16, 2003 12:02 AM

gosh. that was sad, sad, sad, Pat. The world hates us so much because of his honor's representative status. I definitely think impeachment is out due to the time involved, can't help but wonder if California is on to something big w/ the recall effort.

Posted by: Peg on July 16, 2003 01:05 AM

Re: The newly elected Iraqi Governing Council. This is another American farce. See link to article below. Ahmad Chalabi(second from right in the pic) is a Pentagon frontman. He has been relentlessly lobbying the Pentagon for years, to get rid of Saddam (he was hoping to step into his shoes), and was responsible for providing the erroneous information that invading Iraq would be a cakewalk, and that the Iraqi people will be welcoming the invading forces with flowers and smiles. He is not trusted in Arab circles, and is referred to as the Thief of Baghdad, because he has been convicted in absentia for fraud and embezzelment in Jordan, for absconding with the bank's funds leaving his victims penniless. In short, he is a crook. I provided a second link to show you where his circle of influence lies, and what his background is, so you can judge for yourselves.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/13/international/worldspecial/13CND-IRAQ.html?pagewanted=2


http://www.msnbc.com/news/909076.asp

Posted by: Crystal on July 16, 2003 03:35 AM

Sorry. Here's a repost of the link to the NY Times article starting at Pg.1

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/13/international/worldspecial/13CND-IRAQ.html?pagewanted=1

Posted by: Crystal on July 16, 2003 03:58 AM

it's so wonderful to see the fickle finger of fate award headed bushie's tushie..

say goodnight dick.

Posted by: Roxanne on July 16, 2003 04:22 AM

Cosmic justice folks, cosmic justice.
Just like anti-gay activist Phyllis Schafley's son coming out. Hee Hee.
Play with fire and get burned. On one level I smile and say good. But truly I think it's really sad. Americans are usually positive people. That inherent goodness in the last few decades got overblown in delusion through a consumer oriented, technology driven, out of your body all the time society. Me, me, me, more, more, more. We all make choices between good and ego, and this Bushwacked bunch chose their egos which causes blowback. When WTC came down to me it was the end of duality. Saturn/Pluto. Stripping away the pairs of opposites. The transformation of hypocrisy. Sagitarrius is ethical. The old role models (gov't= big daddy) we are used to are now like computers that are obsolete. The energy is different. Technology can bring us all together in the hands of 'aware' humans (Uranus in Pisces). But technology in the hands of dinosaurs with good clothes is clumsy (personally this bunch has no style, that Stepford hairdo, wish Condi and Laura would change it once in a while- jeesh!). This is a fascinating measuring stick to human evolution. I have been really feeling sorry for all of them. I got very sad reading the post here about the former Bhagdad airport attack and even more blown away to hear the US is making the airport into a prison camp. Yikes!!!
May we all become aware that we can use our free choice to make descions based on the polarity between good and better.
I for one am sick of GFB and his 'good' and 'evil' stuff. What a crock! Compassionate conservative puhleeeese! As compassionate as Hitler.

Posted by: bhakti on July 16, 2003 04:31 AM

Elements of the press are truly unleashed as predicted right here!!! The last President to fall, Nixon, was seriously pushed by the Washington Post. Unfortunately, this once fine paper is now a pathetic joke. Its coverage of the prevaracotor in chief is docile. The Post is now a house organ for corporate weenies.

I would be interested in any astrocartography that might indicate where the fire will be set, so to speak, in the media...the fire that will allow us to see clearly the lizard like nature of our ruline elite and pResident.

Posted by: Mike on July 16, 2003 06:10 AM

(rats! I'd posted this on the wrong blog. Pls excuse.)

Another good 1 survey/computer. Do vote! http://www.msnbc.com/news/938046.asp
And the fine astroblog that told about it. http://www.ericfrancis.com/continue/daily/daily.html

And Claudia D - Starcats has this to say about the George vs George question... http://starcats.com/newsmakers.html

Elen... I thot that was a very interesting bit on Clinton/UN.
Here's a site on the Cultural Creatives. http://www.culturalcreatives.org/home.html

Posted by: on July 16, 2003 03:01 PM

First, bhakti, this:

"The Karma Sheriff is headed for the ranch."

Made me laugh out loud for a good minute and a half. Big belly laugh. Thanks. And I agree that Chimp's "good and evil" thing is just further proof that he is certifiable. A few things: last night, NBC's Dateline featured a story about John Krakauer's new book, "Under the Banner of Heaven" - about excommunicated Mormons who have killed people "because God told them to do it." I sat up in my seat when they started going there, and wondered if any of the sleepy sheep out there watching it would make the connnection to Chimp's recent comments that "God told him to bomb Iraq" etc. The show was making it clear that these folks are kookoo (and in prison, on death row) - hmmmm. It was virtually subliminal for folks who don't see Chimp's insanity, but I thought it was very interesting that NBC of ALL networks (they're the worst IMHO) would air this.

Also, I talked with Doug Riemer, Vedic astrologer (see right link "predicitve astrology") yesterday and in several of his previous articles, he thought that the period between July 16 and August 10th would be particularly hot for Chimp - with the truth finally coming out. THe NY Times on the 15th was quite a bit more vocal than usual about the lies/deception, and they didn't limit it to WMD, either. It is my hope of heart that the truth about 9/11 will finally come out as well, with Chimp front and center. Evil of this magnitude cannot ride forever. For the sake of all the families who have to live with the memory of that horrible day, I pray the truth about these people comes out.

Posted by: Lucy on July 16, 2003 03:13 PM

I am not yet elated about the media coverage as of today. I do think they will feel more heat as the European, Canadian and Australian presses continue their probing analyses. Many folks are getting more of their news from the BBC. I've become so disillusioned with CNN and I've long ago stopped watching reactionary MSNBC because of Chris Matthews' hyp[ed]ocrisy.

Anyway, I'm hopeful as well that Mercury in Leo will give our US press more backbone but I'm still dubious. What Leonian expression I do recognize more often however, is the inclusion of more and more entertainment (infotainment) pieces inserted into what were once issue-oriented debate programs. I.e., I watched the Capital Gang the other night and midway through the show they did a "retrospective" piece. Then on a day off when I could actually see Crossfire again since they took it off the evening schedule and hid it in the afternoon, I saw that halfway through the show, Paul Begala was forced to interview "Thomas Jefferson" and there sat an actor in wig, channeling Jefferson. Anything to stop the debate! I've noticed also that there's so little substance in the evening CNN coverage that I can barely watch anymore. If we are going to rely on these media outlets to change the hearts and minds of Americans, we are deluded. The only change that will occur is going to be due to grass roots discussions, yes - debates! Americans are going to have to become engaged in politics, stand up to the man that says "watch what you say" and insist it is patriotic to question, dissent and challenge.

I do believe that we are witnessing the beginnings of exposure of Bush's mendacity. I think it's going to take a great deal more political activism on the public's part before the media comes around.

Posted by: Yolande on July 16, 2003 03:26 PM

bbuster, thank you for the comment about healing and self-healing---that's very intriguing! I've had dead serious pneumonia a couple times, and bronchitis, and I did gradually get through them and recovered totally as if they never happened. I'm very interested in the idea of helping to heal others---maybe it's a soothing earthy influence thing? I love to help and advise, if that's anything!

I wonder if there's some karmic energy in that my sun and moon are the exact opposite of Chimp, and that's part of why I can't stand him. He's Cancer with Libra moon, I'm Capricorn with Aries moon. (I have Cancer rising, though.)

I truly think many perceived negatives *are* positives---such as "manipulativeness" in water signs (depending on how it's used, of course!) and "conservatism" in earth signs. Compared to these radical right wing thugs, I'm so conservative. I want to restore things to a semblance of what they were, how they're supposed to be. But I'm a proud liberal, too, and if it takes something like a counter-revolution (non-violent), I'm all for it.

The media is starting to wake up. I can feel it. even on obnoxious cable, they're more subdued, as if they've just started to come out of a long drunken binge. It will still take alot of work, and we have to push them towards the truth.

Posted by: Tricia on July 16, 2003 04:46 PM

IMO the problems are that dinosaur/reptilian mentality still remains and these people are stuck in a time warp in the 40's/50's and can't seem to move forward. Sad and deadly. I believe light pervails. Pluto in Saggitarius digs into every hypocritical hole and digs it out into the surface. This is a macrocasm to what's also eating us away as Americans. Too bad our good intentions got so off track through money and greed and under educated masses.
We might need to wait another generation or two to start the clean up. It'll be through the humans that throw the obsolete computer in the trash forever.

Bhakti the optomistic Capricorn.

Posted by: on July 16, 2003 05:15 PM

i just think that the press is about six months behind the goings on and this site most especially..all we've been talking about here and in political intelligensia circles will be mainstream dinner time news come october, and on, we all know that.

so it's time to look forward, and be a few steps ahead, which only appears on this site, so let me be the first to go there:

january...it's obvious bush is going down, so who will the repubs run for president? mccain..how's his stars from now till november 2004? and also, while thinking of this, geneva's son popped into my mind, with his prediction which now makes TOTAL SENSE>.but it won't be the admin that assassinates bush, but it may be the workings of the gop? because what's going on is not only watergate II it's much heavier, bigger: the gop must save it's behind. mccain's already talking out, the die is being cast. right on to genevas son for coming closest to what probably will transpire ultimately!

Posted by: Roxanne on July 16, 2003 05:39 PM

which all reveals how dirty politics really is... the dems knew what we knew but they signed on for the war like putting chips on a number..is this the rope that will hang bush? sure it is, give him the rope..but so many people had to die..that's why i don't vote for either party..it's a nasty nasty business. they've ALL got blood on their hands.

Posted by: Roxanne on July 16, 2003 05:43 PM

Last night Peter Jennings lead in to his evening broadcast linked together three topics:

the huge deficit; the rebellion brewing in the miliary in iraq; and the falsification of evidence re nukes in iraq.

That is the "trifecta" that brings down presidents. The three issues mentioned cannot be "fixed" by election day 2004, and each of the three issues is underpinned with lies, secrecy and scandal. If Bush-Cheney had nothing to hide, why then the series of executive orders locking up daddy Bush's papers, Baby BUsh's papers, and even the Vice President's papers, a thing never done before in the U.S.'s history. Since when does the second string get to lock up their papers? No Veep has ever had executive privilege. Oh, but Rove wants to try and avert a "Spiro T. Agnew-Nixon" repeat of the early 1970's.

When Pluto goes direct this year, I suspect it will be like teenagers lighting a cherry bomb in the outhouse latrine. Look out, and take fair warning. Good people should not get sprayed.

The deficit alone is horrifying. Let alone the fact that Pluto of death is attached to money in the USA's chart by virtue of its 2nd house placement. The USA has a long history of profiting from war (so do other countries, btw). But Bush's grandfather profited mightily off the Nazi's and was prosecuted for it under the USA's "Trading with the enemy act." This Plutolatry (God, Death, Money) at the highest extreme.

Not until Pluto transits into Capricorn in 2008 and moves toward the USA's Pluto return can we hope to somehow get a handle on ithe deficit and the Blowback of the fraudulent war atrocity committed in Iraq. Remember Granddaddy Bush -- now it is Carlyle Group (Daddy Bush), Halliburton (Cheney), Bechtel corp. (Gen. Scowcroft) and Baby Bush, Richard Perle, profiting from death via war. I have just set out the names of some of our very own warlords battling for turf and money amongst themselves. Talk about neo-feudalism. We'll all be working for Raytheon before you know it.

By using the restructuring power of Saturn, which rules the USA's second house Pluto, means a Plutonic rehabilitation of the USA's money -- but more clearly, the USA's relationship to Plutolatry. At some point this country will have to reconcile itself to the fact that it's true God is money. The reality that money is not democracy, nor is it a theory of government, is going to have to be addressed over and over and over again. Because Saturn is the dispositor of the USA's Cap Pluto, look for repetition of these themes. Saturn IS repetition and it is dogged. It is also restraint, deprivation, and degradation. This is, unfortunately, what we have to deal with up to 2022, the USA's Pluto return. By that time, it should be clear, very clear, whether we restructured in order to correct the problem or if we're living under a totalitarian system .... one party: Republican.

Yes, it's that critical. That's what I see.

Love, Claudia

Posted by: Claudia Dikinis on July 16, 2003 07:12 PM

Personally, from my own experience with Pluto, it
will take something as dramatic as total neo-con
"rule" before another generation has the courage to stand up and say "never again." That scenario seems to need to be played out periodically throughout history in one country or another, this happens to be our turn. I still don't think the people "get" that it is happening here. These are things that happen to other countries, other periods of history, not here, not now, not us.

Mundane astrologers have been warning of this period in history for the US for at least 30 years, perhaps longer. Pluto is "power" in a person or country's chart and in the US chart Pluto is in Capricorn in the 2nd house of values. We value stability and money in this country. In the Solar Arc of the US chart, the Descendant has progressed to our Pluto signaling our money transfer to "partners and open enemies." Solar Arc Uranus is in orb of a conjunction to the US Pluto, Uranus the most rebellious of the planets promising the least security to what we value. By 2006 Uranus will be right on top of the US Pluto, perhaps the transfer will be complete by then. Soon after, USA Mars goes retrograde at 18 degrees Libra, close to a conjunction to US Saturn ensuring frustration for years.

Did the English Empire, the one where "the sun never set" see their demise of power? Would they have made different decisions if they had, would the people have taken steps to ensure the strength of their country? Maybe, if they had seen it coming. Did Rome see their demise, did Germany, did Russia? If they had known would their citizens have made different choices?

They didn't see, and they too had mundane Astrologers warning them of what is to come. In spite of the fact that the majority didn't turn until it was too late for their country, there were still some people, some people who understood and those people tried to be part of the solution, not the problem. We have that opportunity as well.

The other day Tony Blair tried to get Europe to sign off on pre-emtive strikes when a nation "judged" another nation to be a danger, 14 european countries said no. Do we have that same kind of strength to keep saying no, even if you think you are one lone voice? Will we be so grateful that Bush is gone that we won't stay alert to the "enemy" unseen? Will we stop asking questions stop demanding answers, we must not stop, not now.

This is an exciting time I think, because there is a new "baby" being birthed in this country and we have a unique opportunity to decide what it will look like. I would have loved for it to have been easy, but I am excited about the challange. You see, with the descendant having arched to Pluto, WE, the people, can be the "new" partners to the power, the values can pass to us.


Posted by: Sally on July 16, 2003 08:28 PM

And the notion of "money" because even stranger when one thinks about how abstract it all is... a system created in the minds of men that has no reality at all outside their system. They used to fight & kill over minerals (& still do), but now it's really over some ink scratches on paper. What they really do is worship their own mentations. Very graphic demonstration of the patriarchal split of Life into "immanent material" & "transcendent spiritual." Deciding he hates the "sinful material," or "ungodly realm," he just can't get enough of it! Hahaaa... stick "L" into "god," & what goes one have? He's always had great troubles working/reconciling with the Taurus/Scopio axis imo.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 16, 2003 08:56 PM

Pluto is indeed whacking the USA, as a Californian I'm watching as trans Pluto tap dances all over the California 2nd House as well and we are in a world of fiscal pain. The 7th Largest economy in the world has been bankrupted by the BushCo NeoCon Oil Barons who are driving 34 million citizens towards personal bankruptcy with their corporate power shenanigan's. Not good to mess with that many Dem's and Independents in one place. Everytime El Commando in Chief goes on a rampage Ridge ratches up the Alert system their goes the states budgets out the window. Fortyseven out of fifty states have been economically hobbled since Bush took office. Can anyone add in this country?
Interestingly trans Mars in Pisces just entered California's 5th house, entertainment, film, and transiting Saturn just entering the California 9th of Justice, expect the film industry to wrachet up their works, not a passive State, not by a long shot.
Folks in State governments need to get the lead out, what the "blankety blankety blankety" is the Federal government doing to all of us?
When we the People can see what's going on, one must ask, where the hell are the folks who're are supposed to be watching these guys while they make money off our backs? Oh that's what Congress? or Justice? Then again Pat Robertson has personally requested God remove the liberal leaning judges. What has this nation come to?

Posted by: Morgana on July 16, 2003 09:06 PM

Thank you astrologers.

Posted by: Pat on July 16, 2003 10:00 PM

July 17.

Anniversary of the founding of the Baath party in Iraq

The 9-11 comission report is due to be released. One member on the comission said the revelations will be explosive.

Bush and Blair are meeting in DC.

The moon passes over mars.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy day. Let's hope it's not literally explosive.

Posted by: Larry on July 16, 2003 11:35 PM

Morale is low at the 2nd Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division of the Army. The soldiers are angry, and there were mutinous hints in their voices during an interview on the BBC News this evening. One of them said that Rumsfeld should resign, another said what he would say to Rumsfeld could not be repeated on the air. Soon after, the new US Central Command head, General John Abizaid appeared on TV to warn the soldiers that men in uniform who served, could not publicly criticize their country or their leaders - something of a veiled threat.

You can read the story on the ABC News website, or the BBC news website if you missed it on TV.
AOL News carried the headline "Seething Soldiers".

Posted by: Crystal on July 17, 2003 01:56 AM

Moon over mars?!?! No & So Korea just traded pot shots at each other. Now ain't that nice. These lil war-boyz need to be made to go to bed without any supper!

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2003 02:44 AM

Here's the link to Gen. John Abizaid's reprimand to the disgruntled soldiers:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/iraq030716_Abizaid.html

Posted by: Crystal on July 17, 2003 03:42 AM

More mutinous tones from the soldiers of the 3rd Infantry. One of them said he had his own most wanted pack of cards:"The aces in my deck are Paul Bremer, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush, and Paul Wolfowitz".

Click on the Buzz Flash link to your right to read all about it.

Posted by: Crystal on July 17, 2003 04:04 AM

the soldier situation is going to get much worse, and it ain't gonna be pretty. They can't let the 3rd ID come home because of the DU factor, so who knows what kind of "stuff" they'll be cooking up to keep them over there. Bush doesn't stand a chance at re-election if they come back; my question is how much of the "resistance" is going to be sponsored by our very own?

Posted by: Peg on July 17, 2003 01:28 PM

Peg what is the DU factor?

Posted by: Morgana on July 17, 2003 02:08 PM

DU = Depleted Uranium, I think.
Likely to be this generation's version of Agent Orange.
These poor kids, they had no idea. I almost cried when I read about the 18-yr-old who died in Iraq falling off a roof. (if true) His mom said he'd wanted to be a soldier all his short life.

Posted by: bbuster on July 17, 2003 02:25 PM

Here is more info. about the DU:http://informationclearinghouse.info/article4074.htm

Posted by: Peg on July 17, 2003 02:47 PM

so now the CIA is calling for Cheney's resignation........I LOVE seeing karmic retribution :)

Posted by: on July 17, 2003 03:32 PM

Could this be the beginning, for real? I don't want to get my hopes up, they've been dashed before. But when GIs in Iraq start turning against this war, and when the CIA refuses to take it lying down anymore (in spite of the patsy Tenet), and the media continues to report on this mess, no more hiding it, and even the smug arrogant bastard Rummie looks scared and uncertain, I think there's hope. Not only that, but if this admin goes down, it's very unlikely Repugs of this vile strain will come to power again any time soon. (I have nothing against true moderate Republicans, like Snowe or Chafee. But they're a sad minority in their party.) Repugs are Nixonizing themselves all over again. It seems to be what many of them do. I don't know how people ever trust them, frankly.

How did they do it? That's what I want to know? How did they fool so many people for so long?? I knew all along these were incredible lies, frauds, a forged document, etc. It's as if so much of the rest of the country is slowly coming to realize it. Why did we have to be the Cassandras with dire warnings of the truth, and why do people hate the truth so much? Does it interfere with their blowhard patriotism? Remember, a man killed another man in a bar, early on in the war, because his victim was anti-war and dared to talk about it. This entire thing poisoned America. Many of us are owed apologies. But don't expect them. I'll start to be satisfied with resignations. The healing has got to begin, because we're still toxic here. Our country has murdered six thousand Iraqi civilians, many of them children, over a bunch of goddammed lies.

The next president---and it has to be someone else, I can't stand this anymore---has to be a healer, and *real* "uniter, not divider". Dr. Dean is interesting---his campaign is taking off, he excites people---and I get a good sense about Kerry, both from the astrology here and from my own observations. I think Kerry's strong Saturn influence gives him a paternal and mature air, but of a compassionate and gentle kind of father, not a punishing one, and definitely not like the immature baby we've got now. Falls off Segways, folks! I also appreciate that Kerry speaks French and, I believe, Spanish, his wife also speaks a few languages and was born in Africa. The next leader has to be sophisticated about the world, and open to it. These things don't neccesarily make him all presidential, but they're positive features.

Posted by: tricia on July 17, 2003 04:41 PM

Where do you hear that the CIA is asking for Cheney's resignation? Is this new info? Is this coming from the committee meeting yesterday? Thanks.

Posted by: rg on July 17, 2003 05:05 PM

Cheney's resignation:http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=424786

Posted by: Peg on July 17, 2003 05:57 PM

Some very important but uncovered news by USian control press! Blessed Be!

* Americans are used to resentment of their global dominance. Since the war on Iraq, however, this hostility has begun to hit them where it hurts: in corp balance sheets. David Usborne reports on the backlash being felt in the boardrooms everywhere from McDonald's & Nike to Microsoft & Coca-Cola

It has not taken long for americans to realise that the triumphal appearance by bush aboard an aircraft-carrier after the toppling of Saddam Hussein was somewhat premature. Barely a day goes by now w/o news of another soldier falling to the bullets of hidden snipers. Little attn has been paid, however, to another consequence of the campaign in Iraq. Call it corporate collateral damage. And the victim is Brand America. (con't) http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=424992

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2003 06:26 PM

Some very important but uncovered news by USian controled press! Blessed Be!

* Americans are used to resentment of their global dominance. Since the war on Iraq, however, this hostility has begun to hit them where it hurts: in corp balance sheets. David Usborne reports on the backlash being felt in the boardrooms everywhere from McDonald's & Nike to Microsoft & Coca-Cola

It has not taken long for americans to realise that the triumphal appearance by bush aboard an aircraft-carrier after the toppling of Saddam Hussein was somewhat premature. Barely a day goes by now w/o news of another soldier falling to the bullets of hidden snipers. Little attn has been paid, however, to another consequence of the campaign in Iraq. Call it corporate collateral damage. And the victim is Brand America. (con't) http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=424992

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 17, 2003 06:26 PM

Peg,

Excellent. Thanks for the link. To be filed under "Things we like to see."

Posted by: rg on July 17, 2003 06:54 PM

Does anyone have the astrology for PM Blair's address to the joint session of Congress today (17 July 2003)? Watched most of it and thought he looked a bit nervous, scared, perhaps not feeling as strong as he wanted to.

Just curious if anyone took a look. Not sure of the time. Sorry.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jonathan on July 17, 2003 11:08 PM

rg, thanks for the thanks:) & ok, I don't have the time for Blair's speech, but I think the man is sexy as hell. No wonder the Brit's coined the term "sexed up", they must think so too :) (Just some levity here, folks, and MAYBE it's just me cause the sun sure charges my Leo libido at this time EVERY year!)

Posted by: Peg on July 18, 2003 12:22 AM

Just caught Dan Rather's CBS' news West Coast style. They played the moon card, showing the British Dad whose son was lost to Blair's and Bush's lies, the youngest British solder at eighteen, and how the Dad blames Blair. How great the sorrow to the People.
That may just wakeup America, I sure hope so.

Posted by: Morgana on July 18, 2003 02:25 AM

I hope Claudia Dikinis was nowhere near the site of that horrible accident where an eldely man plowed into people at a farmer's market in downtown Santa Monica. He sure did a lot of damage - the death toll has risen to 10, with 36 injured, 15 seriously. The actor Dennis Weaver's daughter-in-law is reported to be among the dead.
One never knows when or where we'll have that appointment with the Grim Reaper.

Posted by: Crystal on July 18, 2003 04:54 AM

Tricia:
Kerry's Saturn influence may be related to his Skull & Bones association (too NWO). He voted for the war and, when confronted by angry Dems, remained adamant that he made the correct decision. Now he tries to hide behind W's lies in order to win the Dem nomination. He also belongs to the (stealth repug) DLC, just like right-wing Lieberman. The DLC is nothing but a repug Trojan horse, formed to derail the progressive Dems.
To all:
Have you noticed how David Letterman has been making fun of Dean and Kucinich? He featured some comic segments for each of them on separate shows. In Dean's comic segment, Letterman concluded it by labeling Dean's image with the word "loser." With Kucinich, he kept showing pictures of him implying that his looks alone should prevent him from becoming prez; never mind that Kucinich has the best ideas of the Dem bunch. Wesley Clark is just another right-wing trojan horse. That guy almost started WWIII in Yugoslavia according to some reports. And Ramsey Clark is way radical according to some reports. Do a Google search on those two; the news are not good. But then it doesn't really matter because the gopERS plan to steal the election again anyway. They plan to do a "Florida" nationwide next time around. Sigh.

Posted by: Lynn on July 18, 2003 08:11 AM

the DU story WILL start to come out now: BAGHDAD, July 17 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – Several mysterious diseases were reported among a number of American troops within the vicinity of Baghdad airport, a military source closely close to NATO unveiled.

U.S. soldiers deployed around Baghdad airport started showing symptoms of mysterious fever, itching, scars and dark brown spots on the skin, the source, who refused to be named, said in statements published Thursday, July 17, by the Saudi Al-Watan newspaper.

He asserted that three soldiers who suffered these symptoms did not respond to medical treatment in Iraqi hospitals and were flown to Washington for medication.

The military source reported a media blackout by U.S. officials to hide such information from the public.

The Americans claim the symptoms and the mysterious diseases were resulting from exposure to the scourging sun, which the U.S. troops are not used to, he added.

U.S. officials did not come up with an explanation for the symptoms, which NATO experts tend to believe result from direct exposure to powerful nuclear radiations of the sophisticated B-2 bombs used in the war on Iraq, particularly in striking Iraqi Republican Guards forces who deployed to defend the vicinity of Baghdad airport.

The military source stressed that the shrouds of secrecy imposed by American officials on the issue were prompted by fears of creating waves of panic and anger among the troops, particularly after announcements that American troops would remain in Iraq indefinitely.

He asserted that NATO experts measured levels of radioactive pollution in Iraq and confirmed there were levels of radioactive pollution with destructive impacts on man and environment that may lead to risks suffered by generations to come.

On April 25, the British Observer quoted military sources as affirming that depleted uranium shells and bombs used by U.S. and British troops during Iraq invasion were five times more than the number used during 1991 Gulf war.

The Pentagon had admitted shelling Iraq with about 350 tons of depleted uranium in 1991, aggravating cancerous tumors cases among Iraqis.

Posted by: Peg on July 18, 2003 02:16 PM

I think this site is wonderful. Its the only place I know of that is telling the truth big time. Look at what is happening in London today. This is karma time for Bush and Blair. Once they start this stuff, it will come back to them, assuming of course they had something to do with it. But I think Bush is afraid, very afraid. And our troops over there are getting the courage to speak against him. I personally think this is how karma starts, you reap what you sow. And Bush has sown lies, deceit and a lot of death for a lot of innocent people. Any astrology on what could have happened to this murdered scientist? For the date and time I mean that he was first missing?

Found Body Matches Missing UK Scientist -Police


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LONDON (Reuters) - Police said the body of a man found earlier on Friday matched the description of Dr David Kelly, a former U.N. weapons inspector who became dragged into a political row over Britain's case for war against Iraq.

"We can confirm that the body matches the description of Dr Kelly. The body has not been formally identified," a police spokeswoman said.

Police announced they had found the body on Friday morning. Kelly went missing overnight after telling his family on Thursday he was going out for a walk.

The mild-mannered 59-year-old scientist was dragged into the political row over the case for war after the government said it thought he was the source for a BBC report that accused officials of hyping intelligence.

Kelly denied telling the broadcaster that officials had ordered dubious allegations about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to be included in a government dossier. (Reporting by Peter Graff; editing by Steve Addison; Reuters Messaging Peter.Graff.Reuters.com@Reuters.net))

Posted by: on July 18, 2003 02:24 PM

And with my morning coffee..(pdt) I see this tidbit. The ' I ' word, IMPEACH

"If in fact we went to war under false pretenses that is a very serious charge," Graham, the senior U.S. senator from Florida, told reporters in New Hampshire.

"If the standard of impeachment is the one the House Republicans used against Bill Clinton, this clearly comes within that standard," he said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&e=2&u=/nm/iraq_bush_graham_dc

I was reminded last night to keep an eye on Rove, the Bobsey Twins are under Saturns pressure cooker...ever see one of those blow?

Posted by: Morgana on July 18, 2003 03:44 PM

I wasn't aware that Kerry was with the DLC---it puts a damper on him, doesn't it? I hate the DLC. I did know about Skull and Bones, and of course about his voting for the war resolution. A lot of Democrats were duped by this administration over the war...whether he was duped or just cynical and political, I can't say. I hope it was the former, but that doesn't make him particularly intelligent. (It makes him a very typical and mediocre congressman, though!) If it's the latter, he's a lost cause. What can I say, I'm trying to look at the bigger picture---I may be wrong, and I'd prefer Dean, but I think Kerry has a better chance at the nomination, barring further startling events (and it's anyone's guess with this White House gang!). It pisses me off to see Rove(r) "cheering on" Dean, because he's so confident Bushyboy can beat him. And Rove probably fears a Kerry candidacy more, because with his war record, that old reliable of presidential politics, he has a good shot at being a contender. If Kerry keeps turning up the heat on Bush---whatever cynical motives he may have, I know!---it can only help further the energy to bring this WH down, and to get a new agenda in charge. Kerry's speaking out more forcefully now, obviously in the manner of Dean, who is much more to be reckoned with than people thought! Hee.

Was anyone else sick seeing our Congress give Bliar (not misspelled) repeated standing ovations?! How the hell can they investigate this criminal administration while kissing up to the partner in crime? I wish I were British now, because at least their people and their media and government are more fully aware of the outrageousness of these lies and this war. The British people don't trust Bliar. Also disgusting was Bliar's *flattery* in his speech of this administration and America. He truly is a poodle. I don't trust his flattery, he's a damned phony toady. As a world leader, I think he's Bushyboy's last "friend", and even that is political. He knows who has the power, and he's kissing the right ass.

David Kelly---this looks very big. I don't know if it was murder or suicide, but things are falling apart for Bliar. He'll have to go home to more scandal, and face the music.

If it hasn't been posted here, at least five of the troop deaths in Iraq were suicides. That was the number confirmed, it could be more. Where's the outrage?

Posted by: Tricia on July 18, 2003 03:45 PM

Isn't Mars squaring the 9 Gemini Eclipse degree right now? 9 Gemini is the nuclear degree. Americans are going to flip out when they start getting wind of this news. So, so sad that humans are used as guinea pigs for armchair warriors.

Posted by: bhakti on July 18, 2003 03:47 PM

Thank you Crystal.

I live just two blocks from the Farmer's Market scene in Santa Monica. I wasn't there, but the impact of the event has been devastating for us. News helicopters flew over my place all night long Wednesday, so few people in the area actually got any sleep. Russell Weller, the driver, lives just a few blocks from my apartment bldg, so newscopters keep flying overhead in hopes of getting a glimpse of him. We heard this morning on our local news that Weller may have been involved in a hit and run accident just a short while ago, just days before the tragedy in Santa Monica.

This event is clearly linked to the Cancer/Capricorn full Moon. Issues of age (Capricorn) and security (Cancer). Also, the Moon in occulation with Mars in the hours of the morning hours before the accident. Moon is the marketplace, patricularly one devoted to foods and farming. Mars is related to cars, engines, acceleration, speed.

We also have incredibly intense heat now and humidity up at levels that are unusual for Santa Monica. I don't have air conditioning in my apartment so this has been a miserable week!

Love, Claudia

Posted by: Claudia on July 18, 2003 05:19 PM

Whew! Claudia, I'm glad you're safe.

Posted by: Lynn on July 18, 2003 05:27 PM

Claudia,
Santa Monica sounds like NYC after 911 with all the helicopters (ours were huge military) and F16's making the rounds.
Weird living in a war zone, huh?
Glad you are safe.

Posted by: bhakti on July 18, 2003 06:28 PM

Glad to hear you're ok Claudia.

Looks like George Bush and Tony Blair are as thick as thieves, and just by looking at them interact, you can tell that there's a strong bond of friendship and affection there. Together, they look almost like a long married couple. I would say that Tony is George's staunchest political ally, and closest friend. They will remain loyal to each other 'til the end (even better than some married couples),and if they have to go down, they're going down together. I'm saying all this without even referencing their natal charts, but just from observation. If it's one good quality that Bush has, it's loyalty to those whom he counts as his friends. Blair also shares this quality, but by the same token, Bush is a formidable enemy, if you find yourself on his bad side. He is the type who sees things only in black and white, with no room for compromise (unlike Tony), which you can gather from his rhetoric. When he said "you're either with us or against us", he really meant it! He just forgot to add that if you're with us, you'll have our blind support(regardless of your integrity), and if you're against us, you'll have reason to be sorry, because we will be relentless in making you pay for it.
Why do you think he got involved with the Middle East road map after the war? Because he really cares about the Palestinian people? No, but because he made a pact with his loyal friend, Tony Blair, that he would get involved in the ME peace process, in exchange for Tony's staunch support in the Iraq war.

Without going into any detailed comparison between the two B's charts, just from referencing Sally's recent article "The Battle Of The Bees", with Bush and Blair's suns being both in the 12th house(associated with karma among other things) and in sextile aspect, indicates a strong fated bond between the two. I'm sure there are many other contacts between the 2 charts that also account for their strong ties to each other. Saturn will be stressing Blair's 12th house Venus close to the time it will also be transiting Bush's 12th house sun, so there's another karmic connection.

Posted by: Crystal on July 18, 2003 09:33 PM

I did a quick chart for the time of Dr. David Kelly's walk from his home in Oxfordshire listed as at 3:00 pm on July 17th by the BBC. The chart shows Scorpio rising, and has Jupiter exactly conjunct the 10th house. Also, the 4th house contains Uranus, Mars and the Moon, all in Pisces. I wonder if a woman had something to do with his death? Mars would suggest anger, agression and Uranus is unexpected. It could have been an accident but I wonder? It also could have been suicide since Saturn is in the 8th house. The ruler of the 8th house, Mercury and the ruler of the 12th house, Venus, are all elevated planets and all in the 9th house. This does suggest a overseas influence or that his death may have a huge impact overseas. Jupiter exactly conjunct the 10th house puzzles me, I wish I were a better astrologer to be able to tie all this together in a neat package, but it does seem to me that much light will be shed on this event. It could also mean that his death will be exaggerated and it was an accident or a suicide, but with Pluto as the rising planet for the Scorpio ascendant it seems to me there is an undercurrent of menace in this chart, and that is after only a quick look at it.

Posted by: on July 19, 2003 01:12 AM

Tricia, I think Congress and the Senate were really applauding the 3 qualities in Blair that are lacking in Bush.
1)charisma, 2)sense of humor 3)statesmanship. He's a natural born orator, unlike his American buddy, George. If you notice, he doesn't find it necessary to descend into language like "bring 'em on", "wanted dead or alive", you're either with us or against us". No wonder the European leaders cringe when Bush opens his mouth. Blair's misfortune is his decision to back the wrong horse. I think Bush was lucky to find an ally, and trusted friend in Blair, but Blair has received the short end of the stick in his relationship wirh Bush; but as I stated earlier, there's a karmic tie there. I'm afraid the sound of applause for Blair will die out very soon.

They haven't yet classified David Kelly's death as to whether it was suicide, homicide, accidental, or natural, but it is going to open a can of worms, because everybody involved will now have to come forward with the truth - Andrew Gilligan of the BBC, Alistair Campbell, and maybe even Blair himself. What a timely article by Sally. You can refer to her article to read the planetary points of contact between Campbell, Blair, and Bush.

Posted by: Crystal on July 19, 2003 02:29 AM

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1057562548843&p=1012571727159

Timeline

• May 29
On the BBC's Today programme, Andrew Gilligan, its defence correspondent, alleges that Downing Street ordered the transformation of a dossier on Iraq's weapons in the week before it was published.

He says the change - carried out to make the document "sexier" - included the insertion of a claim that WMD were ready for use within 45 minutes.

• June 1
Mr Gilligan repeats his allegations in the Mail on Sunday. He claims his source told him that Alastair Campbell, the prime minister's communications chief, was responsible for the dossier's transformation.

• June 2
On the BBC's Newsnight programme, Susan Watts, its science correspondent, reports that an official involved in pulling together the dossier told her that the intelligence services came under political pressure on the 45-minute claim.

• June 3

John Reid, then leader of the Commons, blames "rogue elements" in the intelligence services for spreading falsehoods. Tony Blair announces an inquiry by the intelligence and security committee - to be held in private. The Commons foreign affairs committee begins its public inquiry into the allegations.

• June 19
Mr Gilligan appears before the foreign affairs committee. He repeats the Campbell claim and declines to identify his source.

• June 25
Mr Campbell gives evidence to the committee, where he accuses the BBC reporter of lying and demands an apology from the corporation. The BBC backs Mr Gilligan and his "senior and credible" intelligence source.

• June 26
Mr Campbell writes to the BBC repeating his demand for an apology.

• June 27
The BBC says it will not apologise.

• June 28
Mr Campbell makes a dramatic appearance on Channel 4 News, where he insists again the BBC should apologise.

• July 6
The BBC board of governors backs Mr Gilligan and the Today programme. It notes the Newsnight broadcast has not been subject to similar criticism from the government. It urges Mr Campbell to withdraw allegations of bias.

• July 7
The Labour-dominated foreign affairs committee clears Mr Campbell but only on the casting vote of its chairman. MPs split along party political lines.

• July 8
The Ministry of Defence reveals that an official - confirmed a day later in response to newspaper inquiries as David Kelly - has come forward saying he met Mr Gilligan on May 22, a week before the Today report, and discussed Iraq's weapons with him. The MoD says it does not know if the official is the reporter's source.

• July 15
Dr Kelly appears before the foreign affairs committee after it re-opens its inquiry. He says he could not have been the main source for Mr Gilligan's story. MPs agree and say he was "poorly treated" by the MoD.

• July 17
Dr Kelly disappears after going out for a walk. Mr Gilligan is interviewed again by the foreign affairs committee, which after a heated session in private accuses him of changing his story.

• July 18
Police find Dr Kelly's body.

Posted by: Pat on July 19, 2003 04:18 AM

I just did a quick chart for the birth date given for Dr. Kelly by the UK Guardian, May 17, 1944, Tunbridge Wells, UK. Without a birthtime, I can still see that he had the Sun, Mercury and Venus all in Taurus and Mars in Cancer, and the Moon in Pisces. Unless he was born very late in the day, it would not have changed over to Aries. His natal Jupiter was at 18 Leo and Saturn at 25 Gemini. He would have experienced his 2nd Saturn Return back in March and experienced his Jupiter Return a few weeks ago (roughly). His monthly Lunar Return would have occured sometime just after he disappeared. His natal chart (without ascendant) seems to show a quiet, methodical, very caring man not prone to impulsive acts whatsoever (all that Taurus!). Mars in Cancer is very homeloving, as is Sun Mercury and Venus in Taurus. Moon in Pisces can be prone to despair but it also has empathy and from all accounts Dr. Kelly deeply loved his wife and three daughters, and his chart bears that out. Interestingly, his Jupiter at 18 Leo conjuncts the Midheaven for the time of his walk, at 3:00 pm on July 17th, and the transiting Jupiter aspect at Leo 21, the same as the event Midheaven. Transiting Mercury was conjunct his natal Pluto and transiting Venus was sextile his Vernus exactly. Mental stress yes, emotional, not as much. Would this man commit suicide? Perhaps. But without a birth time it is hard to tell. So far though, it just doesn't look like the chart of a man prone to impulsive destructive acts, which suicide is, for the survivors certainly. Just my opinion, and as I say, I am not the best astrologer in the world, but I have studied it many years. I hope all the Bush lies come out soon, and I welcome this site for all the truth it tells.

Posted by: on July 19, 2003 03:25 PM

Just a quick note on Dr. David Kelly, ran the transits for the time he left for a walk, transiting Venu conj tran MC conj n. Pluto in 12th House, trans Jupiter conj n. Jupiter in 1st, mix well with trans moon conj trans mars wide hug from transiting Uranus. Very powerful passing, very visible, talk about revealing from the 12th!
Here's the chart:
http://morganaseawalker.com/DRK.GIF

Posted by: Morgana on July 19, 2003 07:56 PM

So the coroner's ruling is death by suicide (slashed wrist). I wonder what was going through this poor man's mind when he did this. Maybe he was torn between his duty to his country(letting the people know the truth), and duty to his government(MOD), and maybe he felt that he had betrayed his government.

Off the top of my head, the lunar eclipse on 5/16/03 would be conjunct his May 17 sun. I remember that eclipse, because it is also conjunct my father's May 17th sun. I'll leave the rest up to the professional astrologers here.

Posted by: Crystal on July 19, 2003 08:37 PM

Oops! Sorry. The total lunar eclipse on May 16, 2003 was at 24 degrees 53m. Scorpio, so that would make it opposition his sun.

Posted by: Crystal on July 19, 2003 08:47 PM

I'm not convinced of suicide; could be, but just not convinced. It could have been set up to look like a suicide. We may never really know.

Doesn't seem right that he would take his own life on a Jupiter return; however, I know Jupiter is normally involved somewhat in deaths.

I'm suspicious as hell.

Posted by: Laurie on July 19, 2003 09:41 PM

Oh yeah . . . . meant to say that I was glad nothing earth-shattering happened on the 17th or 18th of July. I was nervous for the troops in Iraq especially.

Posted by: Laurie on July 19, 2003 09:42 PM

Just found this:

"Weapons expert Dr David Kelly reportedly told of "many dark actors playing games" in an email to a journalist hours before his suicide."

More . . .

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_801531.html?menu=news.politics

Posted by: Laurie on July 19, 2003 10:35 PM

Thank you for putting up the chart Morgana, I did the chart through astro.com and I came up with a different ascendant for his leaving the house, it was in Scorpio when I got the chart from astro.com. But as I said I am not the best astrologer in the world and I am looking at your chart as the correct one. So thank you again. I still feel that all things considered this man (Dr. Kelly) was under considerable mental stress, and emotional also, but I honestly (based on his natal chart) don't see him as having the profile of a man who just decides to kiss his wife goodbye one afternoon and then proceed to kill himself. I know I have read that for something to happen transit wise it must be in the natal chart to begin with, the potential must be there. And I really don't see Dr. Kelly as having the astro-profile of a suicide. And I just don't feel in the political climate we are in today, that the truth will come out no matter what committee is appointed to discover it. With Blair's Moon being transited by Neptune in his 10th house, I think he is being perceived as a very dubious character these days, and he may himself be so delusional he does not honestly know what is true anymore and what is not. I think he may be forced to step down, or at least not win his own re-election. But that is pure speculation. Again, thank you for letting me post my astrology/political thoughts on this forum.

Posted by: on July 20, 2003 12:08 AM

It doesn't ring true to me either, I'm not buying into suicide.
Posting your thoughts is good, there is so much going on, we're all looking and connecting dots. Why I'm here. I like the genius in all the viewpoints, and the knowledge shared by so many folks, astrologers of all levels and flavors. It's kind of a global problem, Bush N' Blair that is... Not nice to try and deceive the People.



Posted by: Morgana on July 20, 2003 02:32 AM

WOnderful article, Morgana.

And on the Dr. Kelly suicide, I don't buy it.

Posted by: Janet on July 20, 2003 03:49 AM

One wrist slit?! Died of presumed bleeding? Unless, there's something to keep that wound's blood flowing... like water... it stops bleeding. It was murder. There's an awful lot of that going around... for example, plane crashes. I wonder percentage-wise how much "political" murders have increased since the awful mafia cowboy n' fascist plutocrats have snatched the WH... & other places? Their "methods of operation" are now exhibiting a clear & recognizable pattern. Like the AIDS virus, they get into every new (or old) organization & turn it into... itself. (May they all receive back what they've dished out to others, pressed down, & running over. Blessed Be.)

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2003 04:14 AM

You know, maybe their "jig is up" but I've been reading around the net and some astrologers believe Bush could very well be re-elected (if he's not assassinated first). In January 2005 when the oath of office is taken, Bush will have his Jupiter return at 18 Libra, and it stations there for two months. (Mark Lerner's Article at http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/as3.htm).

And of course Michael Wolfstar, after acknowledging his error with the progressed Venus-Jupiter conjunction, still states that Bush's chances are very great:

"Many readers pointed out the error in last week's NewsScope regarding George W. Bush's progressed Venus-Jupiter conjunction. This very favorable combination takes place at 25 Libra, not 25 Aquarius as stated. However, his progressed Venus-Jupiter trine the U.S. Moon remains an extremely favorable indicator for his re-election, and promises to bring him truckloads of financial contributions, honor and recognition, and public approval."

Now, doesn't this just beat all??!! I am feeling depressed and distressed at some points of view. I know astrologers see things differently, but I would be much more comfortable knowing that Saturn in Cancer would bring Bush his "due." However, who are we to "judge" what his due is?

Has anyone else noticed the discrepancies?

Posted by: Laurie on July 20, 2003 01:26 PM

Laurie, that's a good astro philosphical question about what is 'due'. The answer is I don't know what the Universe, God, goddess, or whatever one wishes to describe it, has in store. That is the mystery and beauty of this Universe. The yogis say' those who think they know, know not'. Brilliant. We can't presume to know what God wants or we'd start going into the territory all fundamentalists go. Pointing their fingers at us describing what god wants, so bogus, who can believe it but those who are under educated and superstious.
In the land of Karma Bhumi or Land of Karma here on Earth, we have no idea the lives and Karmas that one comes to Earth with. What is being worked out in this lifetime. We live in shut down mentality times, where money is worshiped instead of one's own being. God is always put 'out there' instead of within everything . Thus the lask of respect and heirarchy we must endure. Getting into gladiator mode of wanting someone else's demise is counter productive. I would love to see GWB and the other densely aware creeps get their due in a World court and jail time since the whole world is involved right now. But what will REALLY happen through prediction ain't reality. That's why it's great to know upfront what the transits are to learn and grow and become more aware, but the Universe writes the scripts. Always. We can become Co-Creators with that Universal energy but even that is considered 'non-action'. Hope these thoughts are clear.
This thought came up this morning. Do you think GWB is so indifferent to death because as a boy his young sister died and Mama Bush was very distracted and GWB resented that neglect? Maybe each time he kills he's getting back at neglectful Babs. Who knows? Another crazy thought?

Posted by: with love , bhakti on July 20, 2003 02:45 PM

I've been watching Wolfstar for quite a while now... it's been quite clear to me that he's pro-bush for some reason. 'Course, Reagan had his astrologers, too, & I don't think for a minute that the "bad guys" are beyond using astrology & its community to further their own goals... as another fine tool for propaganda, esp on mentally unstable fundie-folks.

A dayglow red flag pops up for me when, ultimately, women are blamed for evils. It says so... right in the beginning of the boyz' best friend, the bible. It was all Eve's fault that nothing goes right for "him," & the reason he's such an pathetic acting-out smuck. George Bush is a murderous wargeezer because of his mama & dead sister?! No. George Bush et al is a murderous wargeezer because of George Bush et al chose acting-out "murderous wargeezer" for personal egocentric "gain."

Countless people have been thru his same experience & they don't turn into murderous wargeezers. In fact, it's far more likely George Bush is a murderous wargeezer because his father & g'fathers were murderous wargeezers if one wishes to assign blame. And I do KNOW that the practice of mass genocide on children to fill gold lame pursies is not a constructive, happy-making activity in the world &, therefore, an activity to be gladly & distinctly avoided for spiritually healthy people.

Posted by: JoannaOregon on July 20, 2003 04:50 PM

Just a quick blurp here, the Iraqi Ruling Council that convened on the during this Full Moon v/c...bam...one resigns already. Another example of v/c:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030718.coiraq18/BNPrint/International/

Posted by: Morgana on July 20, 2003 05:11 PM

Does anyone know what the aspects were when the neo-cons called the police on the Dems?

Posted by: Pat on July 20, 2003 05:40 PM

Gee, I never thought about that aspect of blaming women, sorry if I offended anyone here. I am so pro-women (cause I am one). Just the neglected child came into my mind this morning and the acting out from that. GW could hate dad for the same reason and kill indifferently. People are complex, that's what I believe I was trying to get across.
I love the snake and the symbology for which it stands. She is the shimmering electrical current that keeps me alive and helps me create. In fact, the awakened kundalini or Goddess/snake energy destroys temptations, not brings them to you. That's the point where someone translated the Eve myth to their own benefit. And downed women all the way thru history. All those male dieties (Christ, Buddha, Moses) would not be here if it were not for their Mamas.
Nature is this shimmering energy of manifestation we have within ourselves and without respect for that which is inside oneself and everything else that exists we are all doomed. That is the Bushie's big mistake.

Posted by: with love and respect bhakti on July 20, 2003 05:52 PM

You tell 'em Joanna. From everything that I've read concerning the death of George's little sister, and his mother's subsequent depression, it seems to me that child George empathized with his mother's condition. Don't forget that George has a Cancer sun (albeit in the 12th,) which lends a certain amount of sensitivity to his personality. I know the arrogant, dictatorial Pluto/Mercury/Asc. conjunction in Leo obliterates it, but it is there nevertheless. No, I think Papa George would be the one who is responsible for George Jr.'s psychoses. I am sure it isn't easy having someone like George Bush Sr. for a father. Men of power and influence always expect their heirs to follow in their footsteps. They want to establish a sort of family dynasty. I think since George, as a youg man, could not live up to his father's high expectations of him, he sought refuge in drugs and alcohol, but he finally found his feet with Big Daddy's help, became Governor of Texas, and eventually made it to the White House, where he could finally please Big Daddy by settling his personal vendetta against Saddam. He publicly stated in one of his speeches to oust Saddam - he tried to kill my Dad. Well, that was all that those neo-cons needed to hear. Here was an opportunity to further their agendas. George would be the goose that would lay them their golden egg.

I get the feeling that if it weren't for his father, President Bush would rather be living quietly down on the ranch, than in a fish bowl. I don't think he's comfortable in the spotlight. He has aged 10 years since his inauguration, and you can see the strain in his face and his deeply furrowed brow, but like Joanna says, that is no excuse to visit his resentment on the world. The right way to resolve it would be to see a shrink, but it's probably not in keeping with Big Daddy's macho man image. Yep, Joanna was right about it going all the way back to gramps. Remember that saying about the sins of the father being visited on the children?

I have to visit this Wolfstar's website to see what everyone is talking about. When he mentioned Bush's Venus/Jupiter conjunction at 25 Libra, did he take into consideration that it will be squaring his 12th house Saturn? I don't think it is enough just to look at the aspects between planets. From what I have read, the angles of a chart act as flashpoints for events, especially the ascendant and midheaven, so what someone needs to take a look at, is aspects between natal planets and progressed angles, progressed planets and natal angles, and between progressed planets and progressed angles.
The elections are still more than a year away, the Democratic candidate hasn't emerged yet, so it is difficult to make predictions at this stage. The fact that Bush is raking in all those greenbacks should be no big surprise - that's always the case with the GOP.

Posted by: Crystal on July 21, 2003 06:05 AM

Morgana, thanks for the update on the Iraqi Security Council. It was doomed to failure from the start, by the mere fact that it was cobbled together by the powers that be, and not the Iraqi people. The plan is to have the Pentagon mole, Ahmed Chalabi, set the agenda. He is just another Saddam in the making. He is power hungry, and is willing to sell out the Iraqis as long as Washington keeps him in power. When he gets too big for his boots, he will suddenly become Washigton's enemy, and will be disposed off as so many others have been.

The man who resigned, stated his case very clearly. There are those who are genuinely interested in helping the people and rebuilding the country, and there are others who are interested in helping only themselves with the backing of their Washington cronies.

Posted by: Crystal on July 21, 2003 06:29 AM

Something not quite right about the suicide of Dr. Kelly. The fact that he left his house in the rain without a coat bothers me, unless that was his habit. I'm not sure it was the row between the BBC and Blair either. He could have easily gotten himself off the hook on that. He turned himself in and he said at the ministers inquiry that he didn't think he was the only source for the BBC reporter because he didn't say all that they reported.

He had just finished his second Saturn return and the Moon on the 17th was coming up to a conjunction to his moon and square to his Saturn. Also Mars set off the May 31st Eclipse that was at 9 degrees Gemini, that eclipse was also conjunct his Uranus and square his Chiron, Mars was aspecting them both. We don't actually know if he left a suicide note, they said they didn't find one at the scene, but he might have left one. We assume the "dark actors playing games" referred to the ministers or he could have meant the BBC, or his family.

Joanna said that unless you pour water on a wrist slash it will stop bleeding, we don't know if he did that or not, but it was raining. Certainly the Mars square Uranus at 9 degrees mutable suggests violence and anger, intense anger, particlarly with the energies of Mars so close to earth. We may never know what exactly happened or why. Was it murder, suicide because of all that had happened recently, or a long term depression that exploded. We do know he left without a coat in the rain, we know that his daughter was getting married in a couple of months (odd time for a father to commit suicide) His death coincided with Gilligan (BBC reporter) being grilled again by the Ministers. The British papers are asking if Kelly could have lied to the ministers and was afraid Gilligan wasn't going to protect him anymore.

There are many possibilites here and I'm not sure we will ever know, but I do know that if this doesn't destroy Blair at this time, the very next hint of a lie or scandal around him will find him thrown out by his own party.

Posted by: Sally on July 21, 2003 07:25 AM

As stated in my article "The Battle of the Bees" the BBC was formed 11/11/1922, Uranus is at 9 degrees Pisces with Venus in an applying square at 8 degrees Sag. Transiting Mars at 9 degrees Pisces is almost stationary, going retrograde July 28th at 10 degrees 8 minutes Pisces. With transiting Mars conjoined the BBC Uranus, they are angry and they will come out fighting with every investigative reporter they have, and every ounce of information they have. This will not be resolved until November and the fall out will include George Bush. You will see many ups and downs, with attacks and counter attacks, the nastiness of this is just beginning. With Mars going back and forth in a square to the 9 degrees Gemini Eclipse point of May 31st and Uranus hitting that point in 2006 the issues of the truth of the last 50 years will be with us. Just watch the fireworks fly this summer.

Posted by: Sally on July 21, 2003 07:50 AM

Among the many comments on Dr. Kelly's death in today's UK papers was this one:"Labour MP Dianne Abbott said of Dr Kelly: "I am hearing his pension was being threatened and that he was told he could face trial under the Official Secrets Act. If this is true, then Geoff Hoon should consider his position right now. If Geoff Hoon had not put this man's name in the public domain, he would be alive today." In addition the BBC is coming under intense scrutiny and blame. Both the government and the media are blaming each other. Since transiting Mars is soon to go retrograde after squaring Uranus in the BBC chart, I wonder if that will take the heat off them for a while, and when Mars goes forward again, the BBC will again be in the hot seat?


Posted by: on July 21, 2003 03:41 PM

I don't think the Mars retrograde will necessarily take the heat off, I think it will however unearth tons leading up to this tragedy, with a resolution to the situation in Nov. when Mars once again reaches it's retrograde station at 10 Gemini. As I said the BBC is going to be and is very angry, was from the beginning. There will be so much flame throwing around England it will seem as if "Voldemort" has taken up residence at Whitehall

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Posted by: shylurker on July 21, 2003 05:25 PM

I guess I'm one of the few, if not the only one here who believes that there is a high probability that Dr. Kelly committed suicide. Of course no one can be certain because of the secluded venue at which he chose to die, but I think he chose that spot because it had in the past provided him with solace and beauty. The only thing that perturbs me, and that is (as Sally said), there was no suicide note. Most suicide victims leave notes, unless he left one, but the authorities decided not to make it public; or he saw no need for it.

From what I have read, Dr. Kelly was a quiet, private, family man; someone who took pride in his work, and was an honourable person - just the type who would choose to go quietly into the night. Let's compare him to another high profile personality who has come under public scrutiny lately - Martha Stewart. Do I think she is one who will opt for going quietly into the night? Nooooo; she's a fighter.

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