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·"In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep." (Albert Einstein)
·"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." (Albert Einstein)
·"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind." (Albert Einstein)
In following eclipses over the last (too many years) I can really see the impetus behind Einstein’s “special theory of relativity.” I don’t mean the “whole” of the equation but the simple understanding that led to the “whole” of his theory. Starting from the place with the same information with which Einstein started, the Energy on earth never escapes from the earth’s atmosphere or our solar system, it simply reforms or relocates someplace else. At a sub-atomic level we are all interconnected by atoms, and are collectively responsible for and affected by the energy expended by others. I apply that information to eclipses, particularly an eclipse, which might impact the energy of the US collective consciousness. Think of it as the “collective” opening a door, the energy leaving the muscle mass in the act of opening the door
Following the eclipse on May 31st at 9 degrees Gemini, I could almost feel a shift in consciousness, from one of fear and hopelessness to one of resolve, one of problem solving, a resolution to stand against the bullies taking over our collective soul and how we collectively give the “bully” mentality life. The bully exists in us all but do we want to give it a voice 24/7?
If you think the bully doesn’t lurk in all of us, think of the demands we’ve made because that’s what we wanted. I think of the times I have said to my kids “you do what I said and you do it NOW, because I said so.” Yup, that’s the “bully” trying to get out, but I don’t want that to be a permanent, daily, part of my personality or my country’s collective consciousness and I never intended for it to be, however we cannot change the energy unless we see the energy within ourselves and are able to own it, once we do that we can transform it into something more positive.
Claudia Dikinis gave a very passionate and graphic description of “the bully.” While certainly not the only one in history, Karl Rove stands as the most recent and flaming archetypical example of the type of person that can arise out of the collective energy when we are afraid, greedy, selfish and power mad. As Claudia so dramatically portrayed, Karl is out there as an overblown example of what we have allowed to happen to us. He stands absolute in his bigotry, control, greed, and the worst of Machiavellian traits. He does not stand-alone on the world’s stage, there are many who back him up and I’m sure your can name the culprits. It’s the ones we cannot see, the ones who have blown up these balloon dolls and given them life.
Fortunately, we do have the Karl Roves to show us what exactly we face and perhaps don’t want as our collective representation. The administration we have now is a mirror image of what began in Europe in 1937 when Hitler perverted the symbol of the Swastika giving it the image of evil, when for 3,000 the meaning of the Swastika of “to be of good.” Such was the power of that historical “bully.” 1937/38 was also when the money and the power of the world flowed into Germany to assist Hitler’s demonic scheme of being the fascist ruler of the world.
There was a Solar Eclipse in Dec. 1937 at 10 degrees Sagittarius opposite what became known as the Nuclear Degree of 9/10 Gemini. Let’s look at the first time the 9 degree Gemini eclipse showed up in the last 50 or so years. It was in May of 1946, less than a year AFTER the Atom Bomb was dropped on Japan (Aug. 1, 1945) when the 9 degree Gemini Solar Eclipse conjuncted the US Uranus. For the sake of history let me say that Dwight Eisenhower and MacArthur were against and thought it unnecessary to decimate Japan and kill so many innocent people. Truman dropped it anyway because several in the military and Truman’s administration wanted to see if the “bomb” worked. Later in 1950 Truman would remove MacArthur from the Korean Conflict because there was a possibility that nuclear weapons would be used there and he didn’t trust MacArthur to follow his orders.
Eisenhower never really trusted the military after that and in fact warned JFK against letting the Joint Chiefs have too much power.
More than any other eclipse since 1946 the Solar Eclipse of 9/10 Gemini has been activated by conjunction, square or opposition, it’s also been sextiled and trined a number of times. Since 1946 the United States has bombed 22 countries, not one decade has gone untouched and I will just bet that most of us cannot name ten of them off the top of our head. Why does this type of energy keep swirling and swirling around without “re-forming” elsewhere into something else? Or is it being “reformed” now with Uranus in Pisces forming squares in 2005, and Mars in his Perihelion pass to the earth in August 2003.
From 1961 to 1973, a full twelve years, we bombed Vietnam. The war in Vietnam heated up following the next 9 degree Gemini eclipse in 1964. In 1985 we had “The War on Drugs” and bombed Nicaragua and Panama. Now we have another 9 Gemini eclipse, and thanks to Mr. Richard Perle, (Sept. 16, 1941) we are told that Korea could be our next target. The US will feel justified in using nuclear weapons in Korea to finish out the 1952 threat and to finish out this series of eclipses. We do not have another potent Solar Eclipse at the 9/10 Gemini for at least another 50 years and beyond. North Korea might be the end of the world’s fascination with killing people with bombs.
Richard Perle, also dubbed “The Prince of Darkness,” gave an interview today for the purpose of “informing” the world of “how it’s going to be in Iraq.” http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1054966020163&p=1012571727162 Let me draw your attention to the third paragraph where “the prince of darkness” states that “the Iraqi’s really don’t want to do business with people (France and Germany) who opposed the war.” The point here is frankly Iraq doesn’t have a voice or choice with whom they do business but Mr. Perle does have a Sun conjunct Neptune and widely squared by Jupiter, lying does come easy for him and he is in good company. His progressed Neptune is at 29 degrees Virgo, and the day the Iraq war began the Sun was VOC at 29 Pisces. Saturn just squared them both from 29 Gemini. Saturn gives a delayed action, the heart and reality of the war has just begun and Mr. Perle will find himself sucking air in the quicksand. Whatever message he doesn’t get from this last pass of Saturn, transiting Uranus squaring his natal Saturn and Uranus WILL underscore what he DOESN’T know and a far right wing conservative will bite the dust.
The day the World Trade Center was bombed, Mercury was conjunct the US Saturn at 14 degrees Libra and square the US Sun. Saturn on that day was in a trine to Mercury. I find it interesting that Perle’s Mercury also sits at 14 degrees Libra. I wouldn’t want to say that he was in any way involved but I would say that he wasn’t upset about it at all and was able to immediately set aside his “grief” to think of opportunities at his feet. There are good reasons why he earned the nickname “The Prince of Darkness.” His Jupiter at 20 degrees Gemini squaring his North Node and Sun at 22 and 23 degrees respectively in Virgo does feed into our collectively psyche of addiction, cruelty, greed and denial with the US Mars/Neptune square. Remember, “own and transform.”
Physics teaches us that by the time you hear sound or see light, it has already past by. We are still looking at stars in the sky that have actually blown up and no longer exist in reality. I think of the Bush administration the same way, their policies have already imploded in the Universe and something new and better is in the process of taking their place. I believe we are looking at an administration already gone.
No matter how all this seems or even how long it will last or what we will lose, this right wing boil has been festering for a long time, once the infection rises to the top and you can see the core of the boil, it’s just about to pop, and this terrified “duck and cover” group will be doing just that “ducking and covering.” One thing is for sure, we will not be going back to the “way we were.” Pluto via GWB administration has smashed that forever, however we can go forward and this administration’s policies don’t have to go with us. Our past negative history doesn’t have to go with us either, we are being given the opportunity to OWN our negative history and transform it.
You want to look to see where 9/10 degrees Gemini aspects your chart and if it aspects one of the planets in your natal chart, particularly the conjunction, opposition or square, new potential and possibilities are there for you providing you do the work to attain them, in the case of the United States, Uranus, ruler of the US Moon will be bringing us unexpected opportunities and ideas to help us cast off this dark layer covering the earth. Just as strides were made in the 60’s for civil, human, and women’s rights, we can count on strides being made over the next 8 years in these same areas.
By the way, this last Eclipse relates to Saros Series 5 North, pointing to new and creative ideas to solve present problems leading to enrichment. Bernadette Brady in the “Eagle and the Lark” tells us that we can act on our hunches. I would say that under this Eclipse, the quote “doing things in the same old way expecting different results is the definition of insanity.” Politicians might listen up here.
PS With the aspects Hillary Clinton has going for her right now she would actually be a good candidate, she has better aspects in 2004 than 2008. If nothing else she will enjoy a surprising surge of popularity and respect for the next couple of years. The Republicans keep saying that the Clintons are “sucking oxygen away from the Democrats.” Actually they are putting oxygen back into the room. The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth with the beating of cloven hooves you hear, are the conservatives gearing up for what they see as “round three” with the Clinton Machine. There stand Bill and Hil, or Hil and Bill with their laundry hanging out in the sun, while the conservatives are busy dirtying theirs in the dark. Gives the American public something to decide on where we want to stand, with the freshly laundered sheets the Clintons are offering to the Democrats, or with the dirt piling up around the Republicans.
The Clintons are an example of “owning” their shadow and transforming it into something else. Hillary is a Scorpio and Scorpio’s are famous for being able to embrace and heal their dark side and using it for healing power for others. I think the conservatives have something to be concerned about, whether she runs for President or not, she has the potential of putting a “new” face on the Democrats. And Bill, the Leo, has the potential of giving the Democrats a brand new stage and spotlight. Yes the Republicans have reason to be concerned. The “bullies” have already spend $41 million and could only find “sex” and the Clintons faced that in the bright glare of the public, what are they going to pull out now to hurt them. The answer is “nothing” except lies that cannot be proven they’ve already tried that, leaving the Clintons fearless. "Fearless" is what the "bullies" fear the most.
Sally Cheyne McDonald on Jun 15 | Link
Sally, wonderful, wonderful article; Your analysis and conclusion on bullies are dead-on: face them fearlessly, and they scamper and hide. In reality, bullies are cowards; they come on strong to hide their insecurities.
And yes, I'd much prefer freshly laundered sheets, any day. For that reason, I do dare to hope that "we are looking at an administration already gone."
Again, nice job, Sally.
Thanks for another insightful article, Sally. That last paragraph really packs a power punch, because it is so true. Although I don't agree with some of the views and actions that Hilary took in her political career, I have tremendous admiration for the way she handled herself and the public during the Lewinsky crisis, and how deft she is at handling Barbara Walters in the interview, when the latter tries to pry. She knows exactly how and where to draw the line between her public and private life. Also in the way she was able to separate her feelings for Bill the husband from Bill the President demonstrates that she has a clear head. I would say that she has the makings of a President if she chose to follow that course, and I think her book will increase the admiration and support for her from the public. She should beat the iron while it is hot.
Sally, enjoyed so much!! You have an innate knowledge of what is important to us at any one time, and we definitely need to feel there is hope in this country.
My DC is at 9'41" Gemini, with no strong aspects to that point except an exact sextile to Jupiter (9'44" Aries) and square NN (9'40" Pisces). I want so much to be part of making this a better world, so you perked up my interest in that regard. I have written letters to editors more than I can ever remember before, talk to co-workers and friends, etc. However, when I never get published or the people I speak with boo-hoo me, it is very discouraging. I know a lot of us have felt powerless to do anything to make a difference, but maybe our time is coming.
Once again I come away from your article with hope and a renewed sense of wanting to make a difference, wanting NOT to give up and yearning for the day this hell comes to an end. Thank you.
This is a copy of a letter I wrote to one of the news organizations and I think it's apt for this article.
I just finished Mrs. Clinton's "Living History," and thought it was pretty good, it certainly is flying off the shelves. It makes me think that the Republican Think Tanks and Karl Rove should have been reading the childhood tales of "Brer Rabbit, Brer Fox, and Brer Bear" instead of Machiavelli's "The Prince."
In one of those old childhood tales the slippery Brer Rabbit had finally been captured by Brer Fox and Brer Bear (who wasn't too smart anyway) and they were ready to string him up. Seems Brer Rabbit got stuck in the "tar baby" trap Brer Fox laid for him. Brer Rabbit said they could do anything to him but just "don't throw me into the briar-patch, hang me, boil me, skin me but please, please don't throw me in that briar-patch." Well Sir, Brer Fox seeing the fear on Brer Rabbit's face, picked him right up and threw him right in that ole' briar-patch. And the next thing you know Brer Rabbit is laughing all the way through. Seems he grew up in those thorns and knew just where the end of it was, just exactly where he could find the light of day. Fooling Brer Fox and Brer Bear once again and escaping to live happily to out fox them on another day.
This is what the Republicans did and it cost them $70 million dollars to throw Bill and Hillary Clinton into that briar-patch, and now "Bill and Hil" are laughing all the way to the bank. I am laughing for them, because I would rather see them skipping their way to the bank than Ken Lay, Dick Cheney, Bernie Ebbers and the rest of that crew and their companies.
Like Brer Rabbit, the Clintons have weeded their way through that patch all by themselves, without stealing anything from anyone. Out-foxing the those who think they are so smart. The Republicans threw all they had into that "tar baby" and now they don't have anything else and the "tar baby" is just a dark puddle blob in the middle of the road, and the Clintons are on the way to the bank with a bunch of well wishers.
I've heard the Republicans say that the Clintons are "sucking oxygen out of the Democratic hopefulls room." I don't think so, I think they are putting oxygen back into the room, giving the Dems a platform and stage to climb aboard, and the Dems don't have a stage right now, their leader Tom Daschle hasn't given them one.
The Clintons, having survived the briar-patch, are now what bullies hate and fear the most, they are fearless. $70 million and all that billious group could find was one sexual indiscretion, and they filled Lord knows how many boxes of reports on that one sexual indiscretion. All, and I do mean all, the Clinton's dirty laundry has been washed and hung out to dry in the brightness of the Sun, while the Republicans are still busy soiling their laundry in the dark. Right now, the Clintons newly washed laundry is beginning to look pretty new, pretty bright, and the stench of soiled linen from the other side is beginning to rise up.
Please, please Mr. Bush and friends, don't throw us into that briar-patch.
Laurie, I don't know how old you are or how many of these 9/10 Gemini Solar Eclipses you've experienced (1946, 1964, 1985) but look back on those (before and after) to get your clues as to what you will experience. I would say with Jupiter in a sextile you will have some kind of opportunity come up, something you've forgotten about (square to NN) Mars squares that 9/10 degree about 3 times, going stationary retrograde on 10 degrees Pisces the end of July (just a few minutes off the Eclipse degree) and then comes back around to square in November. So from May 31, until Nov. Dec. 2003 would be the window I would look for an oppotunity because the Mars square will set off your Jupiter sextile.
I would think that Hil and Bill (regardless of dirty laundry) possess one thing the Cabal does not :Heart!
I believe their lessons of the Saturn/Pluto opposition were well learned and the regenerating of their shortcomings is not just fresh laundry but fresh air.
If you recall that recently I digressed into name calling to respond to an agitator/bully in a fearless way and in equal mirror image to thier behavior. I do believe this character will leave me alone for I stood up immediately to nip that behavior towards me in the bud. I have been learning this in my life and not to feel bad if it to defend myself.
USA is so brainwashed in the American Dream and that we are the 'good guy's'. Part of the dysfunctional problem with the USA collective is that the USA only wants to hear the good things about itself and refuses to take responsibility for it's problems. Thus the slow angry response of the mesmerized masses in that they are being victimized.
Great article Sally! Thanks
You are so right Bhakti, it takes courage to stand up to and own our own behavior, but if we are to get out of this mess we have to first acknowledge we, the people, are the bullies, liars, thieves, murders, greedy, etc., we are also the kind, generous, honest, loving, caring etc. we just have to decide which one of our voices we want heard and we cannot do that if we don't own up to and embrace our shadow. There is strength in the shadow, it just depends on how we use it but we cannot get to those strengths without accepting the weakness in them as well.
"Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got til it's gone..."and in the U.S. I believe we will need to loose a little more to 'know' what we have. Eisenhower, MacArthur - what is it about this country that makes it hard to learn from our mistakes and our history -and respect the wisdom of our elders - seems we think as a collective - though I am having a hard time feeling like one of the sheep - we think we must rewrite history...mostly I see many many innocent lives lost because of a few delusional hard hearted power junkies - How do you get humans who habitually choose war to choose compassion and cooperation?...As far as I can tell with Bush and Co. driving us all off a cliff on the Constitution Highway - all other possible candidates for 2004 look like better drivers. Bush is some kind of enabler for a few sick men - and what is up with Condeleeza Rice or Ms. Norton for that matter? Forgive me but I am for some reason more deeply saddened when women play along in these war games. God bless you Sally and Claudia for encouraging us to maintain our personal sanity and voice - I have sorely needed the encouragement for I am not even discussing these concerns with my partner!--- I am just so sad for those who have known the worst of all this.
To have peace one must be peace - Tich Naht Han
Thank you, Sally.
Your work here is a glimpse into a larger, more accepting vision that thinking people can live with. It is what I call the true definition of "humanitarian." All viewpoints are wholistically woven into one tapesty that I call hologrammatic. Through "relativity" it is possible to think and to create without having to do violence to philosophy, or to intellectual integrity.
I profoundly thank you for clarifying what my Karl Rove piece meant to do through its satire and irony. In "Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made Bush Look Presidential," one discovers the core of the Right Wing's twenty-year plan (as laid out by Machiavellian Rove). This is not my vision for America. It is Rove's. To confuse me with Rove's "message"; or to think that my stating it boldly (as a warning) repudiates the spiritual hope for humankind is errant nonsense.
I am grateful for your work Sally.
My Midheaven is 9 Gemini and that degree is conjoined to the royal fixed star ALDEBARAN. Aldebaran means, among other things, "He who foresees." I think this makes a case for the fact that my mundane work has its uses.
You mention lancing the boil. That is Pluto, and so few dare trust Pluto for long, if at all. The alchemy of destruction, the flip side of creation, must be faced head on and "accepted" via these huge political planet cycles in order to ultimately create the earth anew. Unless ALL is really accepted as "one," then a person's vision is little more than the conveniences attached to fleeting fads and pop culture.
The temptation is to say "but we are nice, aren't we all really nice?" History proves over and over that the answer to that is NO. Without the Claudia Dikinis to "shake" our eyesight out we would still have no hope beyond being yoked to oxen and plowing fields with nothing more to show for it but a crust of bread at the end of the day. There isn't anyway to find hope without an understanding of what we are up against. I am grateful for the courage of mundane astrologers like Claudia willing to stand out there and tell us what is really happening.
Much good insight...I think this shadow exists when I am not honest with myself about my true feelings-the thoughts of one's heart and their true connection to the divine I believe - that this shadow dancing going on I think has alot to do with persisting in expressions that are not true self expressions - the consequences of which are truly destructive world wide...I think one must recognize their shadow when it is doing so much harm in the world - but maybe better not to think like that at all - that when you limit your power to one - your own self discovery- which I think on a spiritual level is what democracy is about then the shadow comes into the light and all that you are is part of you - I think murdering thieving and lying are behaviors of the shadow when we are unconscious of our true self - even when I am angry at my son and recognize something else entirely is causing my wrath it is somehow easier to persist and save face but lately I have allowed myself to mess up and back down right there in front of my son and ultimately I get to what is really bugging me and I am glad to be nobody in this world - you know when you are a leader you start thinking you are somebody and I would predict this makes it hard to be honest with one's self. I could not agree more with the Bill and Hill analogies here and pray that Democrats raise their voice above the Republican vs. Democrat arguments for these "Repubicans" are a different breed then Lincoln, and Eisenhower...When Johnson was president and continuing in the Vietnam War, recently released memoirs show that he did have much misgiving but continued to stage this confident front I guess because that is what a leader thinks he is supposed to do - Hillary has a great advantage now not being in that hot spot - hopefully whoever comes next will heed Eisenhower's warning - it is echoed from America's forefathers who with all their shadows dancing remembered the imperial ways of the country they left behind but somehow we do not remember...?
Fundalmendalistic attitudes do not include the shadow as a part of the light. There is only one side. When it preaches only 'Good', in the psyche a battle is set up with the forbidden (neglected) side 'Evil'. Look how many phony puritian porno power hitters out there right now all over the world! Not just here in the USA.I see a coin and one side is dark and one side is light but they are both part of the same coin. We take our lack of awareness of our inner karmic battles and project them outwardly. GWB's Cabal is the worst example yet of this outward play in our Presidential history, It's a joke. But actually a cosmically good one good that it's SO over the top it will awaken people. The lies are too big, the boil is oozing. It will disgust people. The American people are fickle, love someone too quickly, put them on a pedestal for a short while, then down they go. Why would Bush & Co not get the same treatment?
So Karmaicly, do we collectively need the 'big bang' of bombs to waken the sleeping conciousness, to end all inner and outer battles which are obstacles towards intergration of our shadow/light sides into awareness of them as one? Hopefully we'll get to witness humans more aware on earth because of this. What a lesson for a soul to make.I do feel sorry for GWB cause the brat is in for an ass wooping soon. Shakti bitch slap I call it.
We don't need the complete collective consciousness at all, we just need enough. I had coffee the other day with a fellow who I have always known to be ultra conservative, and he said "Sally, we gotta get rid of this guy. There are now three main parties, Republican, which is my party, Democrat, which is your party, and Fascists which is the party in power." I just about spit my coffee out. So we just need enough for that "ass whoopin."
Excellent analysis, as always.
I'd also like to mention that the Army leadership has been at odds with Rumsfeld and this administration from the beginning. Before 9-11, it was widely rumored that Rumsfeld might be replaced due to extreme friction with the Pentagon - and particularly with the Army. GEN Hugh Shelton, the prior Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, an amiable, highly decorated, and extremely easy-going war hero, and his staff, reportedly had extreme difficulties with Rumsfeld and his armchair generals (most all who never served in uniform or for a very limited period), who regarded them as tainted by Clinton and treated them like children. 9-11 and Bush changed all that, and he has had the upper hand ever since.
Rumsfeld announced the retirement of the Army Chief of Staff, GEN Eric Shinseki, retirement publicly - 18 months before he was due to retire (on Wednesday last week) - and, reportedly, without Shinseki's knowledge. Recall that it was Shineseki who rightly predicted that 250,000 ground troops would be needed to conduct a successful campaign in Irak - especially for security, stability and support operations. Of course, Perle, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz scoffed and lambasted Shinseki, and the rest (looting, mayhem, lawlessness) are the legacy.
Rumsfeld has been unable to find a willing replacement for the job of Army Chief of Staff - in fact, GEN Keane, currently Vice Chief of Staff and the acting Army Chief of Staff since GEN Shinseki's retirement, turned in his retirement after learning that he had been tapped for the job. Even LTG McKiernan, the current LANDCENT (ground forces commander) in the current Irak war (and "star" of the CNN documentary last week) was rumored to pass up the opportunity of a career lifetime. Of course the public spin by Rumsfeld was some BS about "body-language" - see the link below. Last week, Rumsfeld had to call a General out of retirement to take the job.
Last month, Rumsfeld named the current Secretary of the Air Force (a civilian) to take over the position of Secretary of the Army, a further indication of troubles.
I find this reassuring that the U.S. Army leadership, in large part, is not deluded by the administration's delusions of grandeur. I also feel that as Bush and company continue to overstretch the military, more ressitance will come from the ranks as well as the top leadership. The cracks are beginning to show.
Outstanding informational post JC and sure needs to be looked at astrologically, perhaps checking the Pentagon Charts.
Yes the "cracks" are beginning to show and are becoming more verbal. Rumsfield has a Moon/Venus Square from Cancer to Libra and his progressed Sun is now at 1 degree Capricorn, so Saturn is hitting that now. However, in an administration that seems loaded with people who are sociopathic, Rumsfield appears to be a stand out right now, and I am at a loss to understand why he isn't muzzled, (not the only time I've been "lost" since 2000) I keep asking myself if this administration could actually be that disconnected from the rest of the world, and is the majority of Americans that disconnected?
Thanks a million for the information
JC and Sally, from 6/15/03 NYTs story, "Anxious and Weary of War, G.I's Face a New Iraq Nation," comes this: "You call Donald Rumsfeld and tell him our sorry asses are ready to go home," Pfc. Matthew C. O'Dell, an infantryman in Sergeant Betancourt's platoon, said as he stood guard on Tuesday. "Tell him to come spend a night in our building."
So you see Sally, you're right. The cracks are starting. And JC, not only are the Army leadership standing up, it seems the boys, girls, men and women in the field and in the line of fire are also staring to stand up.
The Army celebrated its 228th birthday this week on June 14th, which is also Flag Day. In 1775 the second Continental Congress was underway and secretly agreed to raise an army consisting of ten rifle companies, which quickly grew to 10,000 infantrymen - and reportedly 25,000 soldiers a month later. The Congress made the decision quietly, for fear of inciting the British to war - as such, it is doubtful that an accurate time exists for the natal chart in the Journals (which I haven't checked). I used 3pm in the natal chart, which is pure supposition.
As a novice astrologer (please feel free to point out any mistakes) and experienced veteran, the natal chart makes perfect sense to me. Natal Sun in Gemini underscores the duplicitousness of the Army's mission - accomplish the mission AND take care of the troops - and wanting to have it both ways or wanting to do two things at once (fight two wars simultaneously and win). Jupiter and Uranus are closely conjunct in Gemini (1 degree orb), reinforcing the Army's over-the-top love affair with high-tech and willingness to spend excessively on communications and technology (often at the expense of training and manpower), buying one computer or communications system after another, frequently without even deploying or fully utilizing its toys. Since natal Jupiter is weakened in its detriment, currently opposing Pluto in Sag, it also underscores the Army's preference for excess and self-indulgence (negative aspects of Jupiter), which currently faces transformation through opposition (Rumsfeld). Saturn in Gemini from April 2001 until this month put extreme pressure on the Army's leadership (Shinseki), possibly inflicting a pseudo bubble-prick to their leadership (CEO) which other Gemini high-tech companies/organizations may have faced. Mercury in emotional Cancer reinforces the prominence and recognition of gut instinct above cold analysis in decision-making. Neptune in its opposite sign of Virgo emphasizes the Army's understandable devotion to physical fitness but also its tendencies to delusional heroism; Neptune in its detriment also underscores the Army's hardcore pragmatism which may be a constant struggle to keep-it-simple-stupid, especially at lower ranks. Saturn in Libra highlights the Army's need to work hard at flexibility and balance - something it has made great strides at since its remaking in the 1980s after Vietnam. The current transit of Saturn through Cancer (the Army's second house) will certainly test the leadership in doing more with even less, both in funding, manpower, and resources. The entry of Uranus into Pisces, in the Army's tenth house may signal a change to its public reputation and professional image before too long. In July and August and again in November, Mars in Pisces opposes the natal Mars in Virgo. Depending on the actual time of day that the decision to form the Army was made, the Moon may have been in Capricorn (if 3pm is correct), opposing natal Mercury and in detriment to its own sign, Cancer. If this guess is correct, Saturn will oppose the Army's natal moon in Capricorn starting this month for the entire next year, further stressing the seriousness of this hard aspect.
Janet- as for the NYT article, I don't think the PFC's opinion signals any revolt in the ranks - just yet. However, Saturn conjuncts natal Mercury in Cancer June 25th 2003 - August 1, 2004, which may severely test the Army's emotional side and gut feelings as well as severely restrain what the soldiers really feel. Many of the heavy mech and combat support soldiers have been in theater for quite a while, without A/C and other luxuries they have come to expect - even in such places as Bosnia or Korea. Irak is hitting 120 degrees during the day, and the dust and dirt are taking their toll. They are still basking in national adoration (on TV), so the complaints and real feelings are likely to be suppressed for some time to come. I believe the first real cracks will show in the Army's families, which bear the real pain and suffering. Since the Army is considerably smaller than in its heyday in Desert Storm (and likely to get smaller if Rumsfeld has his way), deployment frequency and duration is very high - which compounds personal and economic stresses. Increased family violence, infidelity and family economic hardship will be the things to watch for - like the spate of killings at Ft. Bragg after the redeployment from Afghanistan (Mars in Pisces June - December 03 opposing natal Mars in Army's 4th House of family). Further declines in services, housing and facilities on Army bases (Saturn in money-house Cancer) as the Army diverts the dwindling funds to cover the costs of war (fuel, parts, transport, bases) will further exacerbate these stresses on the personal level. I expect that you'll see dependent wives (and husbands) protesting to their Congressional representatives before problems in the ranks are ever exposed, especially if Rumsfeld and crew decide to invade again (and again...).
Sally, JC and Janet - thank you for info on military angle on this...excellent information - and I am hopeful that Kucinick (can never spell it right)has the commitment and courage that will help the small bit of collective consciousness we need to turn this boat around.
My last comment offered nothing to this discussion - sorry but I am glad to be able to participate - Beers' wife's comment about the atmosphere at the White House sounds miserable at best...where no one dares question the wizard...no one discusses anything.
Another mavelous piece, Miss Sally! I so enjoy how you tie many seemingly dissociated pieces into a cohesive whole... one of your major talents.
Lest we activitists in consciousness forget a basic reason for the corpo-fascist invasion of both Afghanistan & Iraq--oil pipelines & oil...
* The Bush Cartel is Licking Its Chops: Iraqi Oil is Flowing Again! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2986118.stm
For the monsters, to hell with the Natural World & Peoples, right?!
I'm real unhappy with the idea that the babies & children of OTHER countries needed to be murdered in horrible ways in order to "teach" primarily "white" 'mer'cans' a lesson to continue USian spiritual growth.
one still needs a candidate to run in 2004...or candidates to run, lest the same that happened in 2000 and 2002 happen again????
.did you do a chart on wesley clark?
Wesley Clark has a rather odd but exciting looking chart (12.23.1944 - Little Rock, ARK) His natal Sun is at 1 degree Capricorn, and progressed Sun at 1 degree Pisces, so while Saturn is opposing, Uranus is sextiling. He hits his second Saturn Return this summer (only aspects his natal Saturn once, so it will be intense) It will be a tough campaign for him because of a preponderance of Cardinal degrees but all that will be past by the election. His Solar Arc Mercury is conjunct the US Progressed Mercury Venus is at 14 Aquarius and Neptune will be aspecting, but his Venus is in a positive sextile to the Moon and Neptune will set that off in 2004. Saturn is making him naturally cautious right now, but by fall 2003 he comes out of his caution and could be ready to declare. Saturn transits to its own place is rather odd according to Robert Hand. A Saturn conj. represents a culmination of the last 29 years and a Saturn opposition represents a new beginning. That is exactly opposite most planetary transiting aspects. So since he has a Saturn return, that would indicate that he will be ending the last 29 years, however Saturn will conjunct his North Node within a few months indicating a new beginning. His South Node conjuncts the US Sun, will the people feel as if they "owe" him something, we might. His chances are good, in fact he and Hillary have the best aspects for the 2004 election.
MR. RUSSERT: Tom DeLay, the Republican leader in the House, has been very critical of you and others, and this is the way he put it in his words: “Blow-dried Napoleons that come on television and in some cases have their own agendas. ...General Clark is one of them that is running for president.”
GEN. CLARK: Well, it’s a funny thing. You know, I mean, one of the greatest charges you can make against someone is, “Don’t listen to him because he has presidential aspirations.”
Good answer, don't you think?
Though a registered Democrat in Arkansas, the General was curiously hesitant to declare a party affliation, if he were to run. Less coyness, I think, than not letting himself get cornered by Russert. Clark did mention that he'd had discussions with both Republicans and Democrats. This answer to Russert's question about Clark's view of Bush's economic policy of all tax cuts all the time would seem to preclude a run for anything as a Republican, at least as the party is currently constituted:
MR. RUSSERT: What do you think of the Bush tax cuts? Would you have voted for them?
GEN. CLARK: Well, I would not have supported them, no.
MR. RUSSERT: Why not? GEN. CLARK: Well, first of all, they were not efficient in terms of stimulating the kind of demand we need to move the economy back into a recovery mode, a strong recovery and a recovery that provides jobs. There are more effective ways of using the resources. Secondly, the tax cuts weren’t fair. I mean, the people that need the money and deserve the money are the people who are paying less, not the people who are paying more. I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation. In other words, it’s not only that the more you make, the more you give, but proportionately more because when you don’t have very much money, you need to spend it on the necessities of life. When you have more money, you have room for the luxuries and you should—one of the luxuries and one of the privileges we enjoy is living in this great country.
Pretty straight-forward endorsement of progressive taxation.
Clark was especially good on security and foreign policy issues; plan to do a separate post on that.
I didn't post my opinions on the military "take", but I will say that you guys are dead on. As my bf is in the navy, I have been following the military aspects of the situation,and have known that it was going to take a change of perspective from that viewpoint to make a difference. Sad thing to me is, it's coming, and I wonder how the repercussions will reverberate throughout our society.
Could you elaborate a little more on your comment re: military, "change of perspective" "it's coming" and most especially - which repercussions do you envision?
My thought on the economy is that the ruin of prosperity is not accidental. As jobs disappear, more young men and women will join the military. Veterans benefits are not important since it is lifers that are the goal. The middle class will shrink and we will be a military nation. Call me paranoid if you like, but that's what I see.
All the moves have been being made since day one. Iraq down, Iran and Korea up next.
Pat, regarding "Iraq down, and Iran and Korea up next," this administration shouldn't count their chicken before they're hatched.
Janet, I think you are absolutely right. I would bet they probably are though because it would be very fitting with their hubris. I only hope the gods are laughing AT them.
I honestly believe it will be harder for the administration to war while the WMD "problem" is over their heads. How can the people of the U.S. believe anything they say? Unless a country, like North Korea, actually attacks us on our own soil, I don't see how they are going to manage it. I could be wrong, they could be even stupider than I thought.
Elizabeth, I am so glad you posted the Article about the Adams Presidency. I read it the other night and was going to post it, however my "other job" is commanding a great deal of attention when all I want to do is astrology "my career" Anyway the article about Adams is well worth reading and remembering, because in the first American Revolution, the elites didn't ultimately win and they won't win here either. Bush thinks he can "tough it out" over the WMD's but he is wrong. Blair thinks he can tough it out too, because July is coming and people leave London in droves in July and Aug. because of the heat, and of course our own in pResident fabricator of the truth is in Crawford for the month of August. They both think by September it will all be over and forgotten. Unfortunately this problem is one of "those hounds of hell" unleashed by chaos and won't be caged again for a while. Things just keep heating up for the Prime Minister and the President. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/18/politics/18WEAP.html?ex=1056933343&ei=1&en=37d80f2f16f65692
Another very good and hopeful article to read would be "The Perfect Storm Part One" sent to me by one of our loyal readers http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031903_perfect_storm_1.html This gives a broader view of what is happening behind the scenes.
Despite the bellicose statements and NK's determination to demand attention, NK is probably the last place on earth GWB and crew would want to invade. The terrain is very difficult for our style of military combat. The NK military is extremely tough (and has numerical superiority -1 milion in the Army alone, many of which are special forces) and well-suited to fighting in this terrain; and the geopolitical situation is extremely touchy - NK's neighbors aren't quite so easy to arm-twist. Moreover, NK has few natural resources, and we have nothing to be gained through occupation except extreme hardship and expense. With half our combat forces in Irak, sending the rest to the other side of the world makes no sense. Kim Jong Il knows this. Also, our corporations would have a very difficult time operating in the theater - culturally and logistically - and would be reluctant, at best, to support the effort. Unless NK conducts a large-scale attack against US forces stationed in the region, or attempts to invade or nukes the South, I doubt even GWB will be eager to make good on any promises there.
Iran is an easier target logistically, but has a host of problems which makes invasion unlikely. I also recall reading that Iran's astrological outlook looks pretty safe for the foreseeable future. If there is any action, I suspect it may be limited - possibly involving border areas where support for Iraki shi'ites is coming from.
My bet for the next target is Syria, which might be the easiest to sell and "win." Here is another secularized middle-eastern country with few allies in the region. They also are easy to link to terrorism and blame for attacks on US forces in Irak; an attack might be easier to "justify" in terms of the grand scheme of a "peace process" to remove state sponsorship for Hamas. And of course, there's the "Where's Waldo's Weapons (WMDs)" which we could go play with the kids next door. Of course, Syria's military is quite a bit tougher and will put up a much better fight than the shattered and depleted Iraki forces. Syria has key military terrain geographically and corporate sponsorship might be easier to secure, despite having no oil - although it does own key water resources. Syria's neighbors, Jordan, Israel, Irak and Turkey, would be easy to arm-twist for some degree of support, either explicitly or secretly (Turkey). Once logistical preparations are completed in Irak, launching an attack from next door will be easier across wide open-terrain and a long, indefensible border for our resource hungry military - where fuel is now free and on tap. I believe a couple other astrology sites did charts in Syria which showed extreme pressures and likely change in leadership in the next year.
Is it my (optimistic) imagination or are there more and more people in the media questioning the Administration over the "missing" WMDs? It seems like after what felt like a frustratingly long dry-spell of subjective, right-wing tilted reporting, we're now perhaps entering a new phase where they, the reporters, are starting to ask the tough questions. Did anyone see this in the media via astrology and write about it, and I, like a dummy, just missed it? In any case, would enjoy hearing your thoughts.
yes, jonathan, we've been talking about it for some time: saturn (restriction), having been in gemini, (the media)..it's just gone out about 2 weeks ago. there ya go...
but not quick enough for any of us, methinks!
but if the dems don't run with it, (the exposure of the lies), it won't really matter...it will be like the masses learning about who didn't kill kenedy, but nothing gets 'official'...
Re: "toughing it out" until September. I recall a media observer commenting on the Watergate scandal spiraling out of control. He said one of the big contributors was that it reached media attention during August, a normally slow news month and they had nothing much else on the horizon to keep nattering on about. Let's hope for a long, hot summer to roast Mr. Bush's and Mr Blair's nuts.
Try Telling Clark He’s Not a Patriot
In theory, he personifies the Democratic answer to the Rove strategy.
From the awful autumn of 2001 to the triumphal photo op on the deck of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln this spring, Karl Rove’s strategy has been consistent and clear: run every campaign as a referendum on the "wartime" presidency of George W. Bush. That plan has succeeded in mitigating the inherent political weaknesses of the Bush administration, and in concealing the damage done to American security by its foreign and security policies.
Mr. Rove must almost be grateful for the continuing cooperation of the opposition party, whose confused, hesitant reactions have lent Mr. Bush more credibility than he has earned. Of course, the Democrats are in a trick bag. If they criticize the President’s conduct of the war on terrorism, they’re smeared as unpatriotic; if they endorse his policies, then why should anyone vote for the Democrats in an era of national peril?
That quandary reflects deeper problems and divisions within the Democratic Party. Unless they can mount a Presidential campaign that addresses valid concerns about terrorism and security and confronts the Republican appeal to those fears, they will be unable to exploit the President’s poor record on domestic issues.
Of the current hopefuls, John Kerry possesses both a sterling military record and an extensive Senate record in foreign policy. Those were among the reasons why Al Gore almost selected the Massachusetts Senator as his running mate in 2000. He has demonstrated a powerful capacity to stand up against the Republican tactic of questioning the loyalty of their opponents, a gambit that would boomerang badly if used against this decorated Navy captain.
But while Mr. Kerry has made a strong start, partly by articulating the most thoughtful critique of Bush policies, he has lately gotten bogged down in sniping with Howard Dean, the highly competitive anti-war candidate. The Republicans plan to caricature Mr. Kerry as an "elitist liberal" like Michael Dukakis, the last nominee from the Bay State.
All those factors explain the sudden appeal of Wesley Clark, the retired general, television commentator and political flirt who has yet to declare his interest in the Presidency or even his partisan affiliation. In theory, he personifies the Democratic answer to the Rove strategy. A native Arkansan, Mr. Clark graduated first in his class from West Point, won several service decorations, went to Oxford as a Rhodes scholar, and completed his Army career with victory in Kosovo and four stars as supreme allied commander of NATO. Aside from Mr. Kerry, he is the only candidate with real military experience—and that includes both the incumbent President and the Vice President, each of whom found a way to avoid their generation’s war.
Hello, Pat, I would like to disagree with you on whom the Democrats need to nominate to beat Shrub next November.
I don't think that the me-too game of promoting a 'military' man for the either the Democratic Presidential or Vice Presidental nomination will be effective in defeating the Rove machine. Your comments( although with the wacky right pro-war mood of this country at this moment) may seem like a good stategy but it would be playing right in Bush's hands for '04. Gore tried the same 'me-too' stategy as did the Democrats in Congress in '02 and look what happened to them. The Democrats can't beat the Republicans on their own turf( national security issues) because they have the megaphone or public trust on their side.
Unfortunately Bush (Rove) have tapped into America's collective anger,shame, and powerlessness of 9/11 and are playing it for all it's worth and the sheeple follow like an animal that has just gotten it's first taste of blood.
I really think that it would be difficult for Kerry to explain his pro- Iraqi invasion vote while trying to draw contrasts with how he would have done things differently than Bush.
We need a candidate (either Dean or Clark) who has stated that he would not have voted to give Bush a blank check to go to war on Iraq.
Although Dean has vasilated several times, I believe that he, among the anti-war candidates, has the best chance to be the Democratic presidential nominee. The Democratics need a nominee who stands on his principles and is not swayed by polls because if more people agree with Bush next November even after all of the carnage in Iraq and possibly NK and/or Iran then this country is fundamentally spiritually dead. Maybe a democratic President can name Clark as secretary of defense or U.N. ambassador.
The Democrats need to draw a strong contrast with Bush in every possible way especially with how they will handle foreign policy. I believe that this administration's stonewalling the families of 9/11 victims will come back to haunt them in a big way as will the quagmire in Iraq or at least I hope it will.
I read earlier today that Paul Wolfowitz admitted during his recent testimony before Congress that U.S. troops will have to remain in Iraq for as long as a decade at a cost of about $3 billion monthly.
Isn't it interesting that the Bushies conveniently forgot to tell the American public or a cluesless Congress about this bit of information during their push for the war last year?
June, I agree with probably everything you have posted. It is possible that Kerry will be the next President if charts are to be considered. I do think they are great guides. It's also possible that Dean will be the next President. I would be fabulously happy to have either one of them at this point. Having gone through the ten years of rising fascism, I am almost ready to elect a cocker spaniel. I would feel safer than I do today.
I was posting the article because I thought it was very interesting with some really useful info for all of us here. I post things that are not always a reflection of my opinion if they are good articles and relevant.
That was a wonderfully polite disagreement. I'd enjoy your kind of debate any day.
My apologies for calling you June. That was such an eloquent post you should not be misnamed.
Could someone enlighten us about Summer Solstice 2003?
I'm sorry but I was in a hurry yesterday when I posted my response and I didn't sign it. Thanks for your compliment. I'm really into politics but I have a limited knowledge of astrology so I was disagreeing on the basis of what I have observed politically and I am very frustrated, but I didn't mean to take it out you personally. I really need to learn more about Mundane astrology and it's applications so if there is anyone who is willing to assist me I would be most grateful.
"The Democratics need a nominee who stands on his principles and is not swayed by polls because if more people agree with Bush next November even after all of the carnage in Iraq and possibly NK and/or Iran then this country is fundamentally spiritually dead"
THANK You for articulating a heretofore unconsolidated concept I've been struggling with in my support for Dean. Mostly because I want to see the opposition party, of which I'm not a member, beat the bastards in Washinton. A third party *is* direly needed but now is not the time to build one, 'cus there's not enough time left before the thugs mount their $200 million campaign.
I'm fond of saying re:Dems "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything".
If the opposition party doesn't nominate a candidate who has the anatomy we need: heart, spine, and a set of "balls", we got nothin' and nobody, really, to vote for. If the country doesn't wake up after the current and next travesty of so-called war ( I say so-called because a "war" is generally thought of as between two equals or near-equals)you're right - it's spiritually dead and those of us who attempt to be spiritually awake just need to hunker down in our own little collectives, maintain a low profile, stay within our circles, and keep telling each other the truth.
Go for broke, we have nothing to lose, vote your conscience, but do VOTE, and I'm praying Dean stays away from small planes and open convertibles.
(...don't want no more pink supremacist boyz in the prez spot. That race/gender type's only 39.2% of the population... way past time for someone else with a different set of societal experiences to be in the prez spot... sick of narcissistic chickenhawk wargeezers... know whaddamean vern?!)
it seems dean is now out since his son got arrested yesterday for breaking and entering in burlington...
kucinich seems to be picking up the most steam.
Roxanne I have to agree with you that those looking for an excuse not to vote for Dean if he happens to become the Presidential/Vice Presidential nominee will use his son's misbehavior as an excuse, but it looks as if Bush's house of cards is beginning to waver.
The troops in Iraq are getting restless and it looks as if the investigation into 9/11 is heating up because family of the victims are really getting steamed about the lack of progress and the stonewalling on the part of the Bush (mis)administration.
bbuster: you asked me for my opinions re the military; sorry it took me so long, I have been seriously considering/ pondering this. I still go back to my "gut" feelings, no matter the info. which seems to support my gut-(gosh knows it needs it, lol!) I think the military is gonna "implode". The signs are all here, and THAT is why I have trepidations about our future- not because it's not a "good" thing, but because of the gettin' here-to-there sequence of events.
Thanks. Read on one of the other threads about radio stations (alternative, of course) reading our boys' letters from Iraq. and WaPo running them. It's gonna get ugly and your gut sounds right.
I don't wanna be right!!!!!! :)
Am trying to learn more about applied astrology. Sally's article started with insight and intelligience, then unfortunately degenerated into a sea of unproductive govt bashing. As I explored further I realized that membership to this site must require an unequivocal hatred for Republicans and an unconditional love for Democrats. Very sad. I thought that those versed in astrology would be more willing to take a larger view. Polar opposites whether planets or politicians are a cosmic necessity. Jupiter is a destroyer without the restraint of Saturn. Is there any consistency to prioritizing aspects of a chart--or is the name of the game to pick and choose the ones that suit a personal agenda. I am worried about the "appearances" of the current administration's actions, but am more worried about the Dems total lack of vision. They are forming bandwagon support based on convincing the public that he is being screwed--what kind of true progress will that platform cause? A leader needs to establish a vision for directed action. Your comparison to John Adams is misguided--read up on his son and you'll see many more similarities to the current Bush and will find more pertinant geometry in the cycles as well. If it makes you feel better, he didn't win reelection either. Re the Gemini 9 eclipses--read up on the fixed star they conjunct--it's a cornerstone of the cosmos. Maybe when you are more familiar then you will be happy that we are fighting fire with the "fire" of Bush. There is physical evidence of a previous nuclear exposure in Iraq, add Sitchin and perhaps we can see that there is grave danger of it happening again. So did we go in to fulfill a an unending cycle, or did we attempt to break it with the FIRST WAR EVER to consciously attempt to minimize the loss of life. War ain't pretty and I hope for its worldwide end, but it's pretty significant that this type of war coincided with the 228 year anniversary. Do you know the significance of that number? The May eclipse starts another metonic eclipse cycle and its culminating full moon is concident with the Mayan end of times date. Astrologers hold the keys to an understanding that is vitally needed in our world. The manipulation of charts to suit personal agendas and politics is not helpful. Sorry for the rant. My experience here has been disappointing.
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