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KARL ROVE
Planting Weapons of Mass Destruction, Karl Rove, And Sympathy for the Devil, Buzzflash
"So you just got to figure that any day now, Karl Rove is going to roll out some grand distraction. As BuzzFlash has predicted many a time, the Bush Cartel will plant WMD's in Iraq if they can be assured that they will get away with it. So that's the first thing to watch out for. ..."
Karl Rove's ambitious (December 25, 1950; Denver, CO; time unknown) has been responsible for getting Bush elected as the Texas Governor and the President of the United States. His in Cancer makes him totally receptive to Bush's Cancer Sun. He once said that George W. Bush "was the kind of candidate and officeholder that political hacks like me wait a lifetime to be associated with." Rove's Mars is placed in the teamwork sign of, and happens to be placed exactly on Bush's Descendant. This shared astrological point makes him Bush's ideal promoter, but is now under duress from transiting Neptune. His Machiavellian plots have been widely reported, and fit his several Capricorn planets, including the political strategy. ..." Wolfstar's Newscope http://stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0002661.HTM
Starcats' Commentary
Ambitious and authoritarian Rove is a conservative reformer and iconoclast with Sun opposite Uranus in T-square to "master of the universe" Saturn.
Sun square Saturn shows the high possibility of estrangement in his relationship with his father; hypersensitivity to real or imagined slights; and a tendency towards being a loner. In "Bush's Brain" (see link to Amazon.com below), Rove demonstrates a devotion to George Bush that borders on a victorian style closeted homosexual brand of hero worship.
I feel perfectly justified stating the foregoing in relation to Rove. After all, one of his chief political strategies is the famous "whisper campaign." So turn-about is fair play. And I'm not the first to come up with this idea. Knowing how homophobic the right wing tends to be, I must confess to a rather perverse enjoyment of casting Rove's Sun square Saturn in this light. As you will note further on in today's Newsmakers, Rove's chart is inextricably bound up with Bush's and the USA's. There is some substance to the claim.
When Rove worked to elect Bush govenor of Texas, he organized an extensive telephone rumor mill to spread unfounded gossip about then Gov. Ann Richards. The slurs alleged were that a majority of Gov. Richards' female appointees were "lesbians who wanted to take over the state of Texas." This, naturally, terrified the dueling banjo and trailer trash types in the Lonestar State, hence, discrediting Ann Richards and setting the stage for a George W. Bush roll-back of social progress Gov. Richards had spent her political career developing.
The destructive rumor campaign is a Karl Rove signature ploy. It was the brain-child of Machiavellian GOP campaigner Lee Atwater (now deceased), a drunkard and madman who trained Rove in Nazi-esque brownshirt election tactics. Machiavelli is often mentioned in the same sentence as the name Karl Rove for this reason: "The Prince" is his favorite book. Rove himself states that he re-reads it at least once every year.
With Sun square Saturn, Rove reveals a grave insecurity and thin-skinned knee jerk reactions when it comes to the fact that he did not graduate from college. In "Bush's Brain," there are several references throughout which call attention to Rove's deep-seated sense of inferority in regards to his lack of an ivy-league pedigree, something he often overcompensates for by declaring war on his neighbors for such infractions as leaves from a leaf blower accidently winding up on his front lawn. In fact, he and a neighbor nearly came to blows over where property lines ended. Rove ripped out flowers his neighbor had planted!
Rove is Bush's gray eminence, the shadow Bush can't shake. Because Rove's Moon is tightly knit with Bush's Sun and Saturn, the USA's Sun and Saturn Square, and the USA's Mercury and Pluto, we have an enmeshment, or forging of bonds (Saturn) that are long in duration and highly difficult to sever. When Saturn is involved, one or both people carry each other's shadow characteristics and share a common "karma," or double payback loop where one's fate is continuously linked to the other's.
Bush has often chastized Rove for overstepping bounds. Since Rove's dream was the be the power behind the scenes in the White House (he stated this dream in his early adolescence) the most perfect match for this shy, retiring, yet overly ambitious and nonprincipled man could be no other than an equally nonprincipled man, George W. Bush.
The proximity of the Moon to Bush's wide Sun-Saturn conjunction in 12th house is the theme song: "Me and my shadow."
Rove has low fire in his chart. Only Chiron associated with spoilage, wounds, damage and life's unfairness sits in mutable Sagittarius, the sign associated with politics, law, religion, higher education and expansion of the spirit.
Rove's Neptune in Libra in square to Venus and Mercury shows a strong penchant towards spin and deception. Neptune in Libra for Rove's is the blindness of "the ends justify the means." Rove "believes" (Neptune) that his exalted Saturn-in-Libra connection annoints him as arbiter of universal Justice, and Justice is one-world remade through the reforms (Uranus square Saturn opposite Sun) he envisions through his universalist Neptune.
Saturn in Cancer
September 19, 2003, Saturn 12-13 Cancer, conjunct Bush's Sun, USA's Sun and square to USA Saturn. It will have crossed over Rove's natal Uranus at 5 Cancer, in conjunction with the USA's Venus-Jupiter conjunction, crushing any further hope of boosting the economy and remaining unkind to Rove-Bush vis a vis public popularity. If Rove was born around midnight on December 25th, his natal Moon would be at 12 Cancer, thus, by this September, his Moon becomes "depressed" under Saturn's crushing weight. Since Bush and Rove are karmically tied via Saturn, Sun and Moon, this may begin to spell the end of Karl Rove's luck.
If Rove was born as late as 11:59 pm December 25th, then his natal Moon is at 24 Cancer, which is clearly in conjunction with Bush's natal Saturn, conjunct USA Mercury and in opposition to USA Pluto. T-Saturn will hit the aforementioned points starting September 7, 2004, and last through Election 2004, amidst Bush's second Saturn Return. Because an encounter with Saturn to critical points such as one's Sun, Moon, or at the juncture of a Saturn Return means reaping the harvest, we can expect that even if Bush were elected in 2004 (he wasn't elected in 2000, according to my understanding of the issue), the Saturn-Bush-Rove connection spells a dark, gloomy outcome for all the hype, lies and Machiavellian manipulations.
Weapons of Mass Distraction
This summer's soap operas: Martha Stewart. Scott Peterson. Hillary Clinton but only briefly for the New York State Senator and wife of former President Bill Clinton. Anything. annnyyyyttthhhiiing to distract American's from the most egregious story of at least a generation: George Bush (Karl Rove), Tony Blair and Colin Powell's cynical and diabolical manipulation of the American people for mid-term election votes by parading the need to invade Iraq.
Iraq was also a tip of the hat to the Pentagon Neocons such as Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz who have been trying to sell a second Iraq war wholesale to the U.S. government. Now that the Bush administration has control over all three branches of government, there are no longer any checks and balances upon the most fanatic holding public office. It's Jesus meets Mohammed with an "assist" from Ariel Sharon and Yahweh. Not to forget that, as Wolfowitz says, Iraq is "swimming in a sea of oil."
What troubles me is Bush's August 2003 retreat to the Crawford Ranch. What happens to the American people (who don't seem to give a fig) after one of Bush's "vacations" is so disturbing and so diastrous that I am cringing at the thought of what he and Rove might cook up for September 2003.
Since rumor has it that Chief Justice Rehnquist might retire from the U.S. Supreme Court, the bait and switch planning behind the scenes towards securing the highest court in the land as a right wing conservative bastion alongside additional conservative federal court judgeships has me contemplating throwing myself on the mercy of Vicente Fox in hopes of political asylum and better job prospects in fucking Mexico. Hordes of us may have to crash the borders in hopes of economic relief, because it is growing clearer by the day that the upper 1% of the American population and the U.S. military is now in possession of the nation's wealth. The rest of us are forced to pay for this horrifying redistribution/social welfare to the rich via our income taxes and grave reductions in our medical, pension, and social security options.
What does this have to do with Karl Rove? The closer transiting Saturn comes to his Moon, Bush's Sun, the USA's blah, blah, blah, the more dry, brittle, cold, cheap, thin-skinned, and emotionally childish both Rove and Bush and the administration will become.
Saturn and Moon are about structuring reactions; emotional content; emotional empathy. Saturn and Sun-Moon is about emotional maturity. The fact is, neither Bush nor Rove are emotionally mature and their conduct so often proves it. This is not to say that millions of Americans can't be described as emotionally immature in some manner or other. But the unwashed masses aren't in high governmental office where cooler, more objective and rational appraisals of what will benefit the commonweal are expected. And since the Republican Party's Sun is at 14 Cancer (!!!), (and squares the USA's Saturn!!!) and will shortly receive the conjunction from T-Saturn, I expect an escalation in whining, pissing and moaning out of conservatives.
Rove's progressed Venus at 19 Pisces is conjunct his progressed North Node and Progressed Mars. The aforementioned makes a double quincunx to Rove's natal and progressed Neptune and Pluto. This configuration is known as a YOD, or finger of God or finger of Fate which flows out Venus, North Node and Mars. This squares Bush's Inauguration Moon at 19 Sagittarius. Rove's progressed Jupiter at 14 Pisces squares Bush's Inauguration Pluto. The Universalist Piscean themes for Rove, or his utopia, is a right wing world attached to a savage Plutonic manipulation and management of images not unlike Leni Reifenstahl's "Triump of the Will," the famous Nazi Germany propaganda film. (See 14 Characteristics of Fascism in footnotes below).
The Universalist and utopian themes are under dynamic pressure for expression, management and control where the press is concerned through Rove's progressed Gemini (the sign of Media) Moon. Whereas we don't know what degree his progressed Moon is currently transiting, we do know that it has an easy trine-to-the-lie Neptune in his natal Chart; is square to the Pisces progressed planets/nodes set up, which, at some point along the way, connects his popularity contest (polls and polling) progressed Moon to the YOD or finger of God double quincunx. It also opposes his natal Chiron of wounds (and Bush Inauguration Chiron is 24 Sagittarius, signaling Rove's Chiron Return at age 50) and was linked up to the three Saturn-Pluto oppositions connected to September 11th, the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.
Rove's progressed Sun is 26 Aquarius, conjunct the USA's Moon and its progressed Sun. Uranus will retrograde back to 28 Aquarius and will make one more connecting point to a core position in the USA's chart -- the people (Moon) and the Press (3rd house issue). Since Uranus is the most important of the planets in mundane astrology signaling reform (whether we like who or what the reform is all about) and iconoclasm, we might want to go back to 2002 and have a look at the issues left undone in lieu of an invasion of Iraq.
Uranus' last bite at the USA's Moon (the people) could well signal (along with Rehnquist's retirement from the Supreme Court and appointment of another right wing justice) the death nell for the last 30 to 40 years of progressive in-roads into racial and sex equality; a reversion back to 19th century draconic governance of the workplace thus a loss of rights for workers nationwide; a loss of medicare rights; a further drain on social security and unwanted privitization; unforeseen cataclysmic changes in airlines and transportation security issues; a railroading of Michael Powell's FCC rulings allowing Rupert Murdock to own every media outlet and turn it into Fox News; another shake-up in the Democratic Party, as Uranus at 28 Aquarius squares the Democratic Party Mercury on Caput Algol (who gets axed out of 2004's race? -- Probably Lieberman. His Uranus is 26 Taurus).
Along with death to the environment, an issue that Ann Coulter calls a "Druid religion" (frankly, I'm up for that. Meet me at Stonehenge. I'd love it), Saturn and Uranus in 2003 don't make Bush nor Rove any kinder, gentler, and certainly no more honest. As the U.S. media continues to dance around the most egregious of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, Bush's lies in connection to Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, faithful Starcats readers call their own sanity into question.
Don't.
You really do see what you see. You really do know what you know.
Footnotes
14 Characteristics of Fascism:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are
rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists; terrorists; etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The government of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and policy.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments is fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship with the power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated, or they are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associated who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
[from the June 2003 issue of Der Arbeter Briv, the newsletter from the Los Angeles Chapter of the Workman's Circle.]
Fascism, Anyone? - 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt, from Secular Humanism, Spring 2003 (Submitted by Marsha Epstein)
Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism.
Get the inside Skinny on Rove
"Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential"
Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471423270/qid%3D105518127/002-2701732-3754428
Biography of Karl Rove
The Associated Press
NAME -- Karl Rove.
AGE-BIRTH DATE -- 50. Born Dec. 25, 1950.
EDUCATION -- Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.
EXPERIENCE -- Rove previously served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign. Prior to his work with the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm that worked for candidates, nonpartisan causes and nonprofit groups, 1981-1999; deputy chief of staff to Gov. William Clements, 1981; executive director of the Fund for Limited Government, 1977-78; special assistant to Republican National Committee Chairman George H.W. Bush, 1973-74.
FAMILY -- Wife, Darby, one son.
QUOTE -- George W. Bush "was the kind of candidate and officeholder political hacks like me wait a lifetime to be associated with." Karl Rove
http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/010501/gen_0105017610.shtml
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Political & Personal Astrology for a New Millennium
"The arc of the universe is long, but it always bends toward justice." - Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Sally Cheyne McDonald on Jun 10 |
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As the economic situation worsens, more people will cling to the military as a means to earn a living, whether as defense contractors, reservists looking for active duty time to get by, or active duty personnel needing to support their families. It's what we in the military call a "self-licking ice cream cone." This further exaggerates support for the regime, its oppressive policies, and the peoples' willingness to believe anything to stay on the "right" side.
The upcoming transits make me scared to be an early Capricorn (thankfully, my ascendant is Pisces, and my moon's in Taurus with Venus in Aquarius and Uranus in Leo- BUT, I do have Mars in Cancer along with Jupiter, Mercury and Saturn in Capricorn). Maybe my Taurus wife and I should move to the mountains and hide until 2024, after Pluto leaves Capricorn?
Sally
Well, ominous...though you have stated before such potential for things to get worse before they get better this one really bites...Thank you for the antidote from Martin Luther King Jr. - I think I'll continue to search out such protectors...I do think Byrd is one...you know I was reading an article that started out with some of the conduct of the President and Rumsfeld and party with staff at the Pentagon - they sound extraordinarily rude and unruly and I can not help but wonder if there is not something brewing via military for Bush et al and actually someone here did state that on this site- I think their arrogance has got to be their undoing and I am sure they are pissing off alot more conservatives already-though when watching the Senate on the news the other night there was the same old generalizations of Reps vs. Dems getting thrown around...no hope there - this would be a good time for the Senate to get its act together and start working with eachother - I think it would be hard for such as Bush to survive in a system of checks and balances where conservatives and liberals (as trite as those terms sound these days) recognize the importance of both tendencies. I can not believe they have too much support from military personnel as they continue to reveal their true colors...I am with JC - ready to go hide somewhere for awhile...uggh.
M.
As an afterthought though I think Uranus showing reform means for everyone - including the neocons - no one comes out of this without a shift in understanding...which is why I keep thinking it will come from outside our borders either natural disasters or world's intervention,
Divine intervention...
It may sound ominous, but Claudia does see the honesty of what we are up against and that is valuable, we need to know what we are up against and not take things for granted in the US. We must do whatever we can to take back our country. I am listening to talk radio right now and the whole conversation is ominous. There are millions of people all over the country, all over the world who are trying to awaken people to the serious problems in the United States with this administration. It will finally be the ominous voices like Claudia that will jar the country into the reality of the situation.
That is the most depressing thing I have read in a long time. There is no half full or half empty here. The glass is empty....no grace, no heoric humanity....no salvation.
Mygoodness… with all due respect, that was certainly a distasteful thing to read first thing in the morning. Talk about a worse case scenario! Which is the point imo. It assumes perhaps that a few small prissy malcontents boyz will have their way in all things. It assumes that there are no powerful folks working for social justice in the US; that all other nations in the family of nations will lay back in agreement with these plans that will affects them as well; that moving out of the country will “make one safe,” that the Spirit of the Universe has this end “in mind” for all creatures “great & small” living on this tiny, beautiful, & conscious, Planet—Mother Gaia. It assumes that all work done for the betterment of the whole is totally wasted effort; that the “Boyz” will always get to war on the Feminine of Life & ourselves; that there is no hope no matter what; that untold millenniums of development on this Plant was all for naught because… well, just because.
I hear about how the “American People” will just roll over & accept it. I’m not at all comfortable with that “single blob”, amorphous concept of the “American People.” There’re plenty of folks not in accord with the rove/bush concept of human organization or politics. There’re folks who think rove/bush are exactly right—not the majority tho. They’re just one of many groups, & a small minority at that. These are guys who hate the reality that they are “feminine as well as masculine. Strictly speaking, there’s no duality. Life is “feminine” or “Mother.” She produces “masculine” out of Herself for the greatest potential of variety. The boyz are modified females… that’s why they have nipples for instance. Somewhere along the way, they decided that maleness was a thing in itself. No only that, but opposite to & distinct from femaleness. Then they set about defining what either of the “two” could do or be. Basically, “masculine” has no feelings, empathy, softness, vulnerability, gentleness, needfullness, relationships, creativity—it allows only rage or void within. NOT a happy place… very limited… very not-human.
Then they set about by dissociating from the “other,” or “warring against” it producing a peculiar anima-possessed male as seen in rove/bush, chickenhawks… prissy, thin-skinned, foppish, whiny, easily hurt feelings, jealousies, pettiness, excessive interest in their appearance… the fascist religio-republican is full of them. They hate the feminine of themselves & set about “murdering” it in the world “out there.” They have gotten their way because they’re willing to use violence.
We are at a crisis point in development tho… leaping from “biological units” & “human potential” into, by necessity, “human being.” One of the really great theorists & astrologers imo says it well & aided me in making sense of today’s events: http://www.well.com/user/davidu/tarnas.html
I don’t like being raped or having the potential of being raped lurking in every corner of the world “dreamed up” by rove/bush, so I don’t believe I’ll jump on their mental/spiritual bandwagon... does not in the least sound like a fun thing to do. Anyway, that wagon is headed for the Cosmic Compost Pile & good riddance! “The future is inevitable and precise, but it may not occur. God lurks in the gaps.” --Jorge Luis Borges; "You do the right thing because the world doesn't make sense if you don't." - Dorothy Allison
THE PARTNERSHIP & DOMINATOR MODELS:
Seven Basic, Interactive, & Mutually Supporting Differences
COMPONENT: 1. Gender relations(1) -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : Females & males are equally valued in the governing ideology, & stereotypically “feminine” values such as nurturance & nonviolence can be given operational primacy. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: The male is ranked over the female & the traits & social values stereotypically associated with “masculinity” are valued more highly than those associated with “femininity.”
COMPONENT: 2. Violence -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : Violence & abuse are not structural components of the system, so that both boys & girls can be taught nonviolent conflict resolution. Accordingly, there is a low degree of social violence. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: A high degree of social violence & abuse is institutionalized, ranging from wife-&-child beating, rape, & warfare to Psychological abuse by “superiors” in the family, the work place, & society at large.
COMPONENT: 3. Social structure -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : The social structure is more generally egalitarian, with difference (be it based on gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or belief system) not automatically associated with superior or inferior social &/or economic status. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: The social structure is predominantly hierarchic(2) & authoritarian, with the degree of authoritarianism & hierarchism roughly corresponding to the degree of male dominance.
COMPONENT: 4. Sexuality -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : Mutual respect & freedom of choice for both females & males are characteristic of mate selection, sexual intercourse, & procreation. Primary functions of sex are the bonding between female & male through the give & take of mutual pleasure, & the reproduction of species. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: Coercion is a major element in mate selection, sexual intercourse, & procreation with the erotization of dominance &/or the repression of erotic pleasure through fear. Primary functions of sex are male procreation & male sexual release.
COMPONENT: 5. Spirituality -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : The spiritual dimension of both women’s & nature’s life-giving & sustaining powers is recognized & highly valued, as are these powers in men. Spirituality is linked with empathy & equity, & the divine is imaged through myths & symbols of unconditional love. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: Men & spirituality are ranked over women & nature, justifying their domination & exploitation. The powers that govern the universe are imaged as punitive entities, be it as a detached father whose orders must be obeyed on pain of terrible punishments, a cruel Mother, or demons & monsters who delight in arbitrarily tormenting humans, & hence must be placated.
COMPONENT: 6. Pleasure & pain -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : Human relations are held together more by pleasure bonds than by fear of pain. The pleasures of caring behaviors are socially supported, & pleasure is associated with empathy for others. Care- giving, lovemaking & other activities that give pleasure are considered sacred. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: The infliction or threat of pain is integral to systems maintenance. The pleasures of touch in both sexual & parent-child relations are associated with domination & submission, & thus also with pain, be it in the so-called carnal love of sex or in submission to a “loving” deity. The infliction &/or suffering of pain are sacralized.
COMPONENT: 7. Power & love -- PARTNERSHIP MODEL : The highest power is the power to give, nurture, & illuminate life, symbolized since remote antiquity by the holy chalice or grail. Love is recognized as the highest expression of the evolution of life on our planet, as well as the universal unifying power. -- DOMINATOR MODEL: The highest power is the power to dominate & destroy, symbolized since remote antiquity by the lethal power of the blade. “Love” & “passion” are frequently used to justify violent & abusive actions by those who dominate, as in the killing of women by men when they suspect them of sexual independence, or in “holy wars” said to be waged out of love for a deity that demands obeisance from all.
(1) Please note that the terms "femininity" & "masculinity" as used here correspond to the sexual stereotypes socially constructed for a dominator society (where masculinity is equated with dominance & conquest, & femininity with passivity & submissiveness) & NOT to any inherent female or male traits.
(2) As used here, the term "hierarchic" refers to what we may call a domination hierarchy, or the type of hierarchy inherent in a Dominator model of social organization, based on fear & the threat of pain. Such hierarchies should be distinguished from a second type of hierarchy, which may be called an actualization hierarchy. An example from biology is the hierarchy of molecules, cells, & organs in the body: a progression toward a higher & more complex level of function. In social systems, hierarchies of actualization go along with the equation of power with the power to create & to elicit from oneself & others our highest potentials. -- R Eisler, human relations theorist & author of The Chalice & the Blade
“The future is inevitable and precise, but it may not occur. God lurks in the gaps.” --Jorge Luis Borges
Thanks for that Joanna.
I always believed that there is(was) latent homosexuality going on with ALL these guys. Look at Osama, Hussein, Bush, Rummy, etc etc etc. How come they only hang with men and then abuse women (under the guise as protector)? As Joan Rivers tells men about abortion. 'If you do not own a uterus, stay out of it'. Good advise. I love the info you gave us above and the the thought that these men not only fear their own feminine nature but act it out on the world stage killing off Nature and any Mother energy there is. When people do not respect women they respect nothing. This attitude is prevalent in our world. Even now on TV women down other women playing up to and wanting the attention of the fear based males. I do not want to believe doomsday senarios but after the abuse of our 'free will' there may have to be a closing before people realize what they have lost.
Yea... I think that's correct, bhakti, however, there will ALWAYS be some folks, who will NEVER get it no matter how much proof, straightening-out, facts, logic, personal experience, etc., are shown them. I refuse to be held hostage to the likes of such unhappy dumbskulls... that I do! However, if things "end up" going down the psychoid radical's rabbit-hole, I'm goin' down bitch-slappin 'em all the way!
Indeed, the scenario involving Bush-Rove sounds ominous, but to judge the piece as "is no half full or half empty here. The glass is empty....no grace, no heoric humanity....no salvation," is to deny the very fact that what I am talking about here is a fanatic and oftentimes cynical administration who has framed up the world and the American people precisely in those terms. Anyway, salvation is not the province of politics and neither is mundane astrology. I would reserve the salvation issue for esoteric astrology, numerology, and so forth. But I repeat, mundane/political astrology does not concern itself with esoteric visions. The purpose of it is to unlock the keys to how we operate in Saturn's realm: the realm of earth.
To borrow a phrase from Salvation icon himself, "This world is made for the children of darkness, and how great is that darkness." So apparently even Christ Avatar knew he was alive in Caesar's realm. He stated that the Kingdom of Heaven is within. I have not, in my spiritual studies, ever encountered a master or priestess saying that salvation or "great humane vision" would be found at the center of temporal governments.
I say this because I am chagrined at the great misunderstandings surrounding the the practice of political/mundane astrology. The balking at it is a confusion of one's personal theology versus a purely political/saturn-jupiter construct whereby we can chart the courses of men and women on the earth plane. The human brain has not evolved in over 40,000 years. There are untapped resources at the heart of human evolution that have not been tapped yet. I don't get to know exactly when that potential will be tapped. But I do have a gift of insight into what the trouble is about and I can set up sign markers along the way. That's what the Rove piece is all about. It is about a sort of reincarnation of Josef Goebbels and the Nazi propaganda machine tearing the heart out of American Justice.
What we are seeing today in the USA is a rebirth of the war god archetypes that guided Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Nazi Germany. Other such plutonian-saturnian manifestations can be found in Mugabe's Zimbabwe, for example, and in the Congo, where over the last 5 years 2.5 million people have been herded into mass genocide. That is fully 1/3rd of all those that Hitler killed. If we want a humane vision employed on earth, we all need to do more towards realizing that goal than spending our time on astrology blogs complaining about someone's lack of heroic vision predictions. Changing this means leaving the comfort zone of our cushy homes in the suburbs and flying to these countries. It means giving up what we have, including our lives, in service of that future vision.
So, who is ready to go to Africa with me? To give up all they have and bury holocaust victims?
I thought so.
The grand planetary cycles are repeating the similar themes found from 1920-1945. This is also the USA's very first Pluto tranisit through it's first house in its history. It is a sort of "Kali Yuga" (purification) for the USA right now, and a destroying of the American people's old sense of identity and attachment to America's underlying myths. [I think we go wrong when underestimating how devastasting America's "identity crisis" is right now. Her institutions whether they be church or state are rife with corruption. This is why I repeat that Salvation comes from within.]
As we find in holistic healing, oftentimes a huge crisis precedes the moment of total healing. This process, "a healing crisis," is a leaking out of all the toxins at once where the whole system is disabled for a time so that conditions for absolute rehabilitation and restructuration can occur.
That is what Saturn and Pluto intend to do, and have been doing, in the United States. Critical mass was reached with the 3 oppositions of the two from August 2001 to May of 2002.
The huge boil of corruption has now been lanced and is draining on the psychic/collective landscape of humanity.
When Pluto moves to Capricorn in 2008, we'll begin creating order for the new structure. I only hope it will not err on the side of a heavy-handedness that turns into yet another form of tyranny.
The time does look bleak, but the wide arc of history shows that it is usually darkest before the dawn -- that "fulfillment of the time" (if one enjoys contemplating Ecclesiastes "to everything there is a season.. .") does not come in the time we choose nor in the form we want. Yes, God does lurk in the interstices; in the dark matter of the universe.
But the Goddess Nemesis will intervene. When is up to her, and it is in the Goddess that I ultimately trust.
The USA's ambassador to Greece, who resigned his post shortly before Bush invaded Iraq (because he could not stomach Bush's policies), performed a ritual to Nemesis before he left Greece.
He took several friends to Nemesis' temple itself and there poured out a libation of wine upon the ground. He and his friends prayed to Nemesis for justice in America and also asked that their prayers and libations be "acceptable" in her sight so that she would, in the end, be merciful to America.
The price for Bush and Rove will have to be paid, and like the ambassador, I am waiting for Nemesis, and praying she will be merciful.
Claudia Dikinis
As you say in your comment, there is humanity and hope after all.
Claudia, Sally,
Rove is 52, meaning that right now, he's just undergone his Chiron return. Clearly, he's made his bed. When Pluto conjuncts his Chiron, he'll get his lay.
In 1973, Rove engineered a stunning coup of the College Republican chairmanship, that included everything in and out of the book, to claim the position.
Ultimately, it was a tie, and in the summer of 1973, Bush senior, who'd just become the RNC chairman, concluded that Rove won, and installed him as the chairman of the College Republicans. The connection has been unbroken ever since.
This corresponds, Saturn-return wise, to Rove's behind-the-scenes engineering of the lies behind invading Iraq.
Rove met Bush at thanksgiving 1973, Saturn was at 3-4 Cancer, which is now about to return, later this month.
So yes, there's an excellent chance that Rove and Bush's paths are about to part-- they are certainly going to be re-evaluated.
Wonderful observation on the Saturn return and Chiron Return issues at play in "Karl's World." lol! Thank you!
We're also coming up on the Saturn Return of Nixon's resignation of the presidency re "Watergate," and I wonder who our "Daniel Ellsberg" and "Deep Throat" will be once T-Saturn gets in orb of the USA's Sun and in 04, when it conjoins Bush's natal Saturn.
This is going to be "rich." I can't wait to see Ann Coulter's face melt like a candle in a forest fire when the Rove machine can no longer keep a lid on the mess.
For those interested, The Asteroid Nemeis is currently retrograde in Sagittarius at 28 degrees of the sign testifying strongly to the USA's crisis of faith and identity.
This will be a long row to hoe, but there is the chance that the rehabilitation (Pluto) and restructuring (Saturn) of America can get the country back on better footing. The problem to watch out for would most likely be Saturn and Pluto both in Capricorn up into the 2020's where the risk is a heavy-handiness.
Claudia
I'll go with you, Miss Claudia! I'll go!! I've already gotten rid of house & bank accounts & child grown... my car is 12 yrs old, runs on 3 cylinders & a tank of gas lasts 2 mos for walking & bus. My job is now low-paid & marginal... low taxes for the spending of & by & for the plutocrats. I'll go anytime you say (tho I DO think there will be & are plenty of victims in the US of another kind of holocaust). ;-)
Thank you for the very rich & terrible imagery of Pluto/Saturn. The two of them are conj & sq Jup/Merc/Mars in Scorpio in my life. You give verbal form to their energies very well imo.
(Miss Joanna raises & waves her hand furiously!) I'll go with you, Miss Claudia! I'll go!! I've already gotten rid of house & bank accounts & child grown... my car is 12 yrs old, runs on 3 cylinders & a tank of gas lasts 2 mos for walking & bus. My job is now low-paid & marginal... low taxes for the spending of & by & for the plutocrats. I'll go anytime you say (tho I DO think there will be & are plenty of victims in the US of another kind of holocaust). ;-)
Thank you for the very rich & terrible imagery of Pluto/Saturn. The two of them are conj & sq Jup/Merc/Mars in Scorpio in my life. You give verbal form to their energies very well imo.
This is a really weighty thread, regarding the back and forth discussion among the astrologers.
Sally, thanks for providing this site and giving we astrology neophytes the opportunity to eavesdrop.
Claudia, thank you for your hard work and thank you for tugging on my consciousness and helping me to see more deeply and honestly. The same goes for all the astrologers on this site, you wonderful folks.
The thing that bothers me the very most about this whole situation is that we, the people, tried our best to tell Bush NOT to go to war with Iraq. No blood for oil. I knew the moment he did it anyway that this would be his downfall. And I do believe his downfall will be harsh. How DARE him go against the will of the people. I know the "karma" (don't like that word particularly, but you know what I mean) will hit the whole United States, and I am sorry for that. And dear Sally, I think we will be feeling sorry for GWB in the coming months. I feel it in my bones.
My life changed drastically in November of 2000, and I will never be quite the same again. My heart goes out to Claudia, who must have been so shaken by events that she had to pull away for awhile. I feel the same thing happening with Sally. It's just so hard.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate you all. Just believe that I do.
As a student of esoteric astrology and metaphysical understandings, I don't see the world situation in a mundane sense. Nor do I think many of the posters at this site :) Here is a link I wanted to share: http://astralvoyage.com/spirituality/warning.html
I've been accused of being a Pollyanna and perhaps I am, however while I see this seemingly great rise of evil I also see a quieter but equally great rise of spirituality across the world. Not the kind of spirituality born from mainsteam religion or the kind we can afford because of priviledge, but the kind that is deep and primative, the tribal kind. Where it's coming from I don't know but it will get stronger, of that I am sure. With Pluto in the 1st house of the US chart we are absolutely in a self-destructive phase and we have destructive leaders to help us with that phase, when we as a nation are truly ready to re-construct the leader for that period will rise. It has always been so in every country, every culture since recorded time and it will be again. The question however remains, how far down will we let ourselves go before we decide on re-construction? I hope not too far.
i echo janet's post above in thanks for these insights for those of us not as involved with astrology.
today i saw diane sawyer, (that horrible woman who was dreadful to the dixie chicks), as blix what kind of price will bush pay for the seemingly blurry reports that he based the war on. this made me extremely happy. also echoing someone else's recent post about how these people love their money, and ratings, more than they love bushie.....praise god!
Peggy, Thank you so very much for the website you recommended astralvoyage. I think we can all learn so much from these sites. I am also a metaphysician and know that we create our own reality. At this time it is important that we sincerely pray and meditate for the higher good for this planet. Noone dislikes Bush more than me I cannot stand to listen to him or look at him but I have been trying and sometimes succeding in praying for him to realize his own Godself. One of my teachers' (several of them) have said one of the highest forms of prayer is to pray for our enimies and so I try. Let us keep our thoughts as positive as we can in this time. I like to think that the Angels look down at our planet and see these sparks of light and these sparks are the prayers and peaceful thoughts of the earthlins. May the Angels or thoughts of God surround and hold us up through this time of change and growth. Marylou
Despite the ominous warnings that are clear to everyone who posts here (and probably to most who just eavesdrop as well), I agree with Sally and sense that there is a growing spirituality which has been brought about by the emergence of these great destructive forces. Whether it be the law of physics - that each action has an equal and opposite reaction - or the law of metaphysics - that there is always balance in the universe - some universal law seems to be at work here. I believe that a growing interest in astrology is one manifestation of this spiritual reaction. I make these comments because whether it is the drama of Claudia's interpretations or the hopefulness of Sally's insights, these astrological essays can be a great creative force in this emerging spiritual process. I don't profess more than an amateur knowledge of the technical aspects of astrology, but I do feel that metaphysics is firmly rooted in literature - and that astrology has a very valuable role to play in this emerging spirituality - at this time in history.
I keep returning to the literature of Germany and Europe during the rise of fascism at the end of the 19th century when I think about the emerging threats facing us today. At that time, Friedrich Nietzsche struggled as a brilliant professor, philosopher, writer and metaphysician. Misappropriated and misquoted by the Nazis (and his sister, a Nazi-supporter) after his death, Nietzsche was truly a great enemy of fascism (see The Case of Wagner, 1888). His work, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, is prophetic and perhaps more relevant now than ever. I believe that we are facing this spiritual evolution to the "overman" (from "ubermensch" - not "superman" as mis-translated by George Bernard Shaw in 1903) as foretold by Nietzsche through Zarathustra.
Similarly, I believe that astrology is a literature of its own, and that astrology is most interesting, relevant, inspiring and helpful when its practioners do more than calculate angles and speak about the geometry and calculus of charts - and bring to life stories from the past, present and future from these tools. Whether it be the personification of astronomical objects into mythological characters or the possible future outcomes indicated by the astrological omens, astrology can provide a greater understanding of the human condition through the creative words of its authors. Really great astrology is great literature.
For those needing a little hope:
On July 3, cities across the country will hold independant Public Hearings to Repeal the Patriot Act. These public hearings will be a means of collecting information and testimony in regards to the USA Patriot Act, passed by the US Congress on October 26, 2001.
These hearings will cover issues of the Patriot Act, civil liberties and the Bill of Rights, police brutality and racial profiling. All members of the public are requested to offer testimony and present their point of view. The record of testimony will be presented to the U.S. Congress. with the demand for the complete and immediate REPEAL of the USA Patriot Act. It will also be conveyed to local governments. In respect to city, county and state legislatures, the record of testimony will coincide with the demand that these bodies pass binding law in support of the Bill of Rights and the immediate and complete REPEAL of the USA Patriot Act.
http://www.congress.org/voice4change/issues/alert/?alertid=2303036
Astrologers, any thoughts on July 3rd?
Thank you Peggy for that wonderful link!
Following the eclipse on May 31st at 9 degrees Gemini, one could almost feel a shift in consciousness, from one of fear and hopelessness to one of resolve. I think about the first time the 9 degree Gemini eclipse first showed up in the last 50 or so years and it was in May of 1946, that was following the dropping of the Atom Bomb
which seemed to shock the world, and move us into a fear of what could happen to us. A collective fear that seems to have remained right through today. The "duck and cover" generation.
We've been engaged in war ever since. Since 1946, we, the US, have bombed 22 countries, not one decade has been free of our might.
This particular eclipse on May 31, relates to Saros Series 5 North and the next article will be regarding this series of eclipses at 9 Gemini on the US Uranus for the energy ushered into the US in 1946 has opened the door to the potential of a new era following the final lancing of the "boil" begun in 1946 for the United States
Sally, I think this a very important subject that bridges the mundane to the esoteric shift we are experiencing in the collective. This site is wonderful. Thanks for your wisdom to listen to us and to be able to verbalize your findings so thouroghly ,honestly and with great lucidity even for us astro novices.
Marylou and Pat, so GLAD you like it :) I can't "do" as much as I'd like, but I sure can give it a good try! To everyone else: you are ALL great!!!!
"My life changed drastically in November of 2000, and I will never be quite the same again. My heart goes out to Claudia, who must have been so shaken by events that she had to pull away for awhile. I feel the same thing happening with Sally. It's just so hard."
Laurie, you're a pistol and a sweetheart. I feel exactly the same and my heart breaks for everyone who has felt this horrible weight since 2000. I feel as though it has actually taken years off my life. This site and all the beautiful souls who are a part of this "community" give so much comfort. I can hear the anger and the pain in Claudia's words, and we are all in the same place. I do have to feel hope, however, that there IS a shift happening. The link about the meetings on the Patriot Act is golden and it should be spread far and wide. I live about 2 hours from Boston and if there's a meeting there, I'm going, and I'm taking a caravan of carfuls with me.
I don't mean to "gush" but I just want the astrologers and the commentors on this site, who all have so much insight and so much compassion (well, except for the snipers), to know how much I appreciate you and your work and care. I discovered this site about 3 months ago and I have visited every single day since, because it gives me hope and strength to know there are many others out there feeling the same way. We CAN make this change. We can. We will.
I am dealing with a "bully" of sorts in my life right now, and to my astonishment, I learned that if you have the courage to shout back at a bully, it really disarms them, if even just for a moment. And there is no terror on Earth like the terror of a bully faced with a mob that has dropped their fear, taken away the bully's power to intimidate them, and gained the winning power of truth and numbers. These people might have all the money, but they are only 1% of this country's population! We HAVE to put relentless pressure on the media. We have to threaten mass boycotts of the products advertised during "Dateline" and "20/20" and the like, until they start reporting the ugly truth. As someone said, they still care more about their ratings and their ad dollars than perhaps the pressure they're under from the GOP. Take their money away. We're the 99% that has the power to do that! We have to organize, and pressure the media. We can do that LOCALLY - pressure your local newspaper and TV station. If even the most rural papers start reporting these things, people WILL start to wonder why the networks aren't reporting it. And then we have a bigger base from which to pressure the big boys.
Sorry, I'll stop. Grrrrr! Depression has to give way to anger and action.
Sorry so long, but these posts really stirred me up.
I loved this piece by one of my favorite writers, paganish Mark Morford, & it hits the nail right on its head. It's the BIG main story in spiritual symbolism... the Solar (Leo) "juicy" king thru which the country is at peace & prospers... old as the hills. Then... there's the prissy pursed-lipped porno/puritan... everything turns to dust & blows away. Classic. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2003/06/11/notes061103.DTL&nl=fix
Mac,
I think it was on these boards I read the statement about how thin-skinned bullies are - that's why they're bullies in the first place.
If you want to cheer yourself up, go to Cspan and watch the streaming video from the book Expo weekend with Molly Ivins, Bill O'Reilly, and Al Franken. It's a very entertaining primer on how to deal with bullies from Ivins and Franken. You know of course who the bully is.
here's the link. click on the June 8 BEA selection. http://www.booktv.org/feature/archive.asp
Thanks, bbuster, I'll check it out - I LOVE Molly Ivins!
The civil rights act of 1964 was quickly followed up by the Uranus-Pluto in Virgo conjunction of 1965, associated with the birth of the "flower children," the now famous "Pluto in Leo" people (of which I am one). This was a renaissance that went middle-class and mainstream 20 years hence. Grass-roots ideas tend to form at signficiant planetary junctures in the United States and take about a generation to work their way into the national consciousness.
Twenty year cycles correspond with the Jupiter-Saturn conjucntion cycle, one of the most important cycles for the United States which, at every conjunction, ushers in a new socio-economic "vision" and "theory" of governance. Note that the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of 1961 was in Capricorn; the next one in 1981 was in early Libra. Our 2001 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction was at 22 Taurus.
Capricorn is universal sign, Libra a social sign and Taurus is a personal development sign and are rather conservative in orientation. When I say conservative, I don't mean that everyone born under these signs is a Republican. I simply mean that there is an orientation towards the common good, which gets applied to (for instance) environment (Taurus), administrative justice (Capricorn) and the laws that govern (Libra). This is very rough, basic stuff, so extrapolate and carry it out further.
What I'm getting at is, again, is the idea of planetary cycles and how by looking at how they operated in the past gives us a "heads-up" for the future.
The "renaissance" that we might look forward to is the current Uranus in Pisces/Neptune in Aquarius mutual reception planetary relationship that will operate over the next 7 years.
The last time Uranus was in Pisces, for example, it was the birth of the Nazi Party, but also women in England and America finally got the right to vote. It seems fitting then, that at the Uranus return of the 19th Amendment, that woman like Hillary Clinton should consider the Presidency. Our next Jupiter-Saturn conjunction in 2020 occurs at 0 Aquarius. That is a radical indicator that something quite unusual will have happened to the U.S. presidency. It would seem that one of the hopeful signs upcoming is that we will have a woman president. Elizabeth Dole, Republican, remarked that it is time for a woman president. If a Repug woman actually thinks that, something is shifting, because those good ole' white boys like to keep "their women" Stepford-ized, like Laura Bush. Who, by the way, is more moderate and "open" than her mobster Rpresident husband, Dubya.
This mutual reception may spawn political lessons and messages to the collective through movies, music and film in a wholly new way. America is not identified as a very "intellectual" nation. It is not especially spiritual either, because the chart lacks fire, the essence of "spirit," so "spirit" got diverted into the puritan idea of work hard and get money, because getting money means God loves you. That sloganizing became Reaganonmics, trickle-down supply-side economics, which has been proven over and over again not to work. It only benefts those at the top. If you can get to the top you are labeled lazy or in the words of Ronald Reagan, "a welfare queen," should an person collect unemployment or need public assistance funds.
[I'm under the spell of Jupiter in opposition to Neptune trining my natal Sun/Mercury/Neptune, so bear with me.]
Maybe my ravings are just meant to express that the hope I see is locked up with the mutual reception of Neptune-Uranus. As outer planets, they are packed with forces that not even Karl Rove can control.
Since the Flower children/baby boomers are now looking at retirement in a few more years, the Uranus-Pluto in Virgo conjunction sub-generation will more and more be at the helm. This is the generation saddled with the crisis of healing and the crisis of efficient body-mind functioning vis a vis work -- a 6th house issue. That conjunction I speak of happened very close to the USA's Neptune at 22 Virgo. Hence, the purifying and reorienting of the "purity of the vision" (Virgo) that needs to be "earthed."
These movements take time. Truman back in the late 40's wanted to do very, very conservative changes in terms of civil rights and was attacked roundly by Republicans and called a communist, and god knows what, for thinking that issues of racial equality even be considered. It wasn't until 1964 when Johnson signed the Civil Rights act (and Martin Luther King's assassination) that racial equality came into being -- 100 years after the civil war....so that's what I'm trying to say here.
These things take time. Not because we want them to, but dragging the collective forward is like trying to drag a 2,000 lb. mule up Mt. Everest when it doesn't want to go.
Love, Claudia
Miss Claudia... another eloquent writer/speaker, Bill Moyers, talking about the 2,000 lb mule. Fun, synchronisity.
"...For all the rhetoric about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," it took a civil war to free the slaves and another hundred years to invest their freedom with meaning. Women only gained the right to vote in my mother's time. New ages don't arrive overnight, or without "blood, sweat, and tears." http://www.commondreams.org/
views03/0610-11.htm
But I'm ready to give these... um, "mules" a huge dose of tranquilizer (Neptune help mebbe?), letting 'em wake up when "It" is all over.
Hi, Joanna, Thank you!
I'm printing out Bill Moyers' piece to keep in my journal. Moyers' work means so much to me, especially this article, because he so fluidly and eloquently frames up what I meant to say: that the arc of history is long, and change takes generations. I see history as a living spiral, not a static or linear "cause-effect," "reward-punishment" inventory of people, places and things.
The whole of it is a strange hologram, and Uranus is God/Goddess's trump card.
Best wishes, Claudia
YOU GO, Miss Claudia!!! Hahahahaaaaa...
I know this is off topic but I read an article this morning that caught my eye and I wanted to share it with everyone. The article was about the nation's No. 2 domestic mortgage financing company Freddie Mac could lead to higher interest rates and lower home values (Saturn in Cancer(home)) and shake up the already sluggish U.S. economy.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/06/10/news/economy/freddie_housing/index.htm
BTW does anyone think that the Jayson Blair/ NYT scandal had anything to do with Saturn being in the waning degrees of Gemini ( maybe at or around 29 degrees at time the scandal started)?
Patrick, isn't it interesting that the moment Saturn entered Cancer the president of Freddi Mac was fired, and Freddi Mac, one of the bastion of home mortages is now under scrutiny?
Regarding Saturn in Gemini, I think the media went way too conservative and served the public poorly.
i'm sorry i'm lazy to look it up, but is the usa saturn poorly aspected in it's chart?
one would think so with the effect it had on the media..and yes the mortgage co thing is interesting as is, most importantly the laci peterson/baby, story which ushered saturn into cancer. as well as the two famous mothers (hilary and martha)..if it's well aspected i can hope for a female president?
if the august 99 eclipse around the time of the al quada planning of 9/11 began it's manifestation two years later, will it take that long for the november eclipse to manifest...are the worst aspects for the usa present tense to the next year, or is it equally blotchy in the next couple of years? i hate to say this but i have the feeling we're at the end of america, and i'm trying to figure out when to move, sooner or do i have atleast a year to do so. when i say the end of america i mean explosion due to implosion.. getting hit from the outside because of the policies on the inside. it may be too late to have a policy change re-wire the hatred directed towards us.. is this a 'fact' that all the astrologers are afraid to face, as we/you try to hope for a better future? what are the gut reactions here based on the stars combined?
Hope you all note Arianna's latest column on
Rove....it's a hoot.
Have to agree in part with Roxanne. It does seem as if our dear Country here, the way we have always looked at her and felt proud, is gone forever and becomming a mere shadow of what she was in the past. People seem to be in a fog and don't care and the flag has become, instead of a symbol of freedom, now a symbol of a political tool used to whip up the masses and a symbol of hatred to others across the world who view it as a symbol of war loving empire builders. I am sure there are those that look at our flag today the ways others of the past looked at the German nazi flags. When I see the flag flying today it only makes me cry as I feel it will never again in my lifetime be seen as a flag of freedom to the world anymore. We too are considering leaving the country as things here seem to be getting worse and worse. We see no "hope" in any of this - if Bush were to be ousted in the next election there would certainly be by now a candidate to oppose him, somebody that by now would have shown some backbone and stood up against everything the right is doing. There is nobody out there - the democratic party is a mess and they can't even agree with one another or stand up against this President and demand he be held accountable. Their voices are only whispers in the darkness all around us here in this country. You wonderful astrologers who try so hard to give us hope seem to be seeing only darkness ahead also - so there seems to be no hope that Bush will indeed not get into office again. I feel we are living a real life script from "Cabaret" - the people are playing and singing and refuse to see the Nazi's sitting right at their own table! They refuse to see the truth and only beieve the propoganda - history seems doomed to repeat itself.
Hang on! What about all the Saturn conjuct Bush's Sun in the 12th stuff?! I've been sweating Saturn conjuncting my OWN sun because of all the horrendous predictions people were making for him (although his is in the 12th, mine is not, thank God.) What about all the HOPEFUL stuff that suggests that Bush WILL go down? Oh my God, don't take it all away now!! I've been looking at leaving the country but I can't afford to do that, and my husband wants to be near his kids. Please! RIPCORD, somebody!!
well i think that bush's downfall will be iraq, and not just wmd...everyday it's getting worse and worse over there...now local foreigners are coming in to uprise. this is just the beginning. bush should have listened to the world and saved his career! what a dope to think he'd get away with this.
i just don't know if the country will'make it' TO the next election...that's my point. and all of the astrology points to what i'm saying that it could be true, that it may not be just the president who goes down, but the whole nation with it, physically.
Well hell yes, the nation's going down, you big wussies. Go run & hide, go tell all the other folks of other countries that we knew they were right but so sorry there was nothing we could do about it. We couldn't help it that this was all planned, signed, sealed and delivered behind the scenes, heck we never saw it comin' how the heck could we prevent the election being hijacked, the conspiracy of the towers, the lies to rape Iraqi oil? BOO_HOO, please feel sorry for us & let us hide in your countries?????????
Speaking of cretins, does anybody have a chart for Tom Delay, ex-exterminator and the most powerful a**hole in congress now? Any chance he might take a big fall? The more I hear about what he does/says, I think he is actually scarier than BushCo.
Could we have analysis of Bush's solar return and progressions? Thank you.
Siobhan, I do think Kucinich is doing his best to speak out against what this regime stands for, and proposes a Department of Peace. Please hang in there. We all need to stand strong. The most difficult part is the media, because the masses will only go along with what the mainstream media says or exposes. Do any of the astrologers see that happening, soon?
Laura - you are so right! The difficult part is the media and "Joe and Jane America" watch news shows to get their daily ration of what they think is "the truth" and take everything these people say as the gospel truth. You see it on the news and you assume it's true - nobody thinks for themselves anymore and there are so many who just assume what the President tells them is true - after all, who wants to think your President is a liar? I feel that the press is the main problem right now and we have been writing to those that show the guts to speak out and thank them and encourage them to do more. Every candle is that much more light brought into the darkness - and we need a lot of candles lighted before people will see the truth that has been right in front of them all this time. Please, please everybody - if you read an article that shows somebody speaking out take a minute to write them and thank them! Every little bit helps!
Yes, Saturn's transit through Gemini had a profound
effect on the USA. The worst part of its transit was
when it conjoined the USA Mars in Gemini in the 7th
house of "demonizing and enemy" and squared the USA
Neptune in Virgo in the 9th house of "foreign policy."
Pluto's transit through Sagittarius (USA First House)
opposed Saturn three times from 2001-2002. making a
T-Square to Neptune in the USA's 9th which was hype,
supression, and lies, lies, lies.
Saturn's transit through the last degrees of Saturn,
spawning the eruption of the New York Times scandal,
was a high point of Saturn's last gasp in the usually
glib and facile communications sign of the twins. The
Jayson Blair story certainly showed me why kids think
its okay to plagiarize their school papers and cheat
on tests.
The thing that really got me was Mr. Moral, William
Bennett, having been outed for losing $8 million in
gambling casinos. Notice how Bennett and his gambling
loses have been forgotten as the right wing pundits
trash Hillary and call her "vile" and so forth for
having gotten an $8 million advance on her book. At
least Hillary worked for her money and didn't pound it
down a rat hole.
The USA Saturn is at 14 Libra in the 10th house of the
chart, showing that the USA wants so badly to be seen
as the world's pre-eminent system of justice and fair
play. The square to USA Saturn from the USA"s Cancer
Sun is the nation's natural thin-skinned reaction to
criticism and its fear of being seen as stingy and
un-nurturing. That's why the USA bombs countries while
doing simultaneous food drops!
Claudia
Oh, bah! humbug! bushie's goin' DOWN... in the drainpipe... headed for the Great Cosmic Compost Pile... that's where he's goin'.
Ain't nowhere to run to... nowhere to hide... that's bush & mafia.
Btw, speaking of the uber-LIARS, from a dear poster on another site: "A summary of recent events according to Fox 'News': http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/steinreich8.html
JoannaOR, you are the whackiest poster on this site, and my favovrite. Your posts send me into stitches, and you provide the most offbeat links. Nice having you around :)
Thanks for the Lew Rockwell site Joanna, I bookmarked it.
My family who now lives in S.Carolina went to sleep and woke up as pods. They watch FOX news and believe it. They believe in Big Daddy Bush and loved Ken Starr!!!! This from NYC Bronx liberals. The world HAS gone mad.
Here in NYC the Transit Authority raised our fares and then a Judge in mid May revoked it and ordered to roll the fares back in 2 weeks. A month later that descion is never talked about and the fares are the same. What happened?
I listened to Sean Hannity for about 15 minutes yesterday and according to him its now WWW3 in Israel and his heightened state of fear and propaganda made the cells in my body tingle.I knew to turn it off then as my mind filled with worry; that was SH's point and his job to do.
I think that people 'get off' on the andrenalin rush they get from all the Drama. No wonder the FOX and govt scripts keep changing to feed that 'Fear factor'. Empty dreams, the empty American dream (never bought into it) is now filled with 'junk food' news. It gives that great sugar rush for the moment. People might awaken with a big sugar hangover one day.
Sean Hannity & Rush Limbaugh are enough to make anyone puke up 3 days worth of junk food, washed down with syrup.
Gee, I don't know what got into me, June. Your self-righteous bitch slap sure snapped me out of it. Now it's Claudia's turn - she mentioned being so frustrated that she's ready to move to Mexico as well. Are you going to climb down her throat too?
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